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Tech preview: AMD Radeon RX Vega 56 and 64
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In this technology preview we'll have a closer look at the now announced AMD Radeon RX Vega 56 and 64. AMD is to release three models for the consumer market, two air-cooled versions and one liquid cooled product. Wanna know more? Read all about it here.
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kendoka15
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 05:56 AM
What a weird name for an event
What a weird name for an event
Robbo9999
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 06:39 AM
I'm sure you knew, but just in case, that's a photo of the character Patrick Bateman in the film American Psycho, it is weird though!
What a weird photo of you 
I'm sure you knew, but just in case, that's a photo of the character Patrick Bateman in the film American Psycho, it is weird though!
FM57
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 06:43 AM
What about the green planet stuff ?
At that rate, we will all need personal power plants to run PCs.
What about the green planet stuff ?
At that rate, we will all need personal power plants to run PCs.
reix2x
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 06:52 AM
well.. threadripper looks like a success already, but vega have a long hard path to run... i think the pricing isn't that bad..
well.. threadripper looks like a success already, but vega have a long hard path to run... i think the pricing isn't that bad..
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 07:23 AM
Damn that 1900x looks smexy, however lets see how hot it gets and how well it can OC.
Damn that 1900x looks smexy, however lets see how hot it gets and how well it can OC.
Ricepudding
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 08:15 AM
425watts on the vega 64 LCS... that's a whole system by itself lol, maybe the 1200+ watts power supplies might start selling more again
Looking forward to your review HH, hope it comes out Better than the rumours so far
425watts on the vega 64 LCS... that's a whole system by itself lol, maybe the 1200+ watts power supplies might start selling more again
Looking forward to your review HH, hope it comes out Better than the rumours so far
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 08:18 AM
425watts on the vega 64 LCS... that's a whole system by itself lol, maybe the 1200+ watts power supplies might start selling more again
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425watts on the vega 64 LCS... that's a whole system by itself lol, maybe the 1200+ watts power supplies might start selling more again
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baasgene
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 08:26 AM
So much for the almighty HBM2, it has the same bandwidth as a Ti, except you know like most of us my Ti is running at 12ghz memory so that's well over 500gb of bandwidth. If HBM1 is any indication it won't OC very well and end up being worse than GDDR5x.
Unless HBM3 is leaps and bounds ahead then I'd say GDDR6 is the future.
So much for the almighty HBM2, it has the same bandwidth as a Ti, except you know like most of us my Ti is running at 12ghz memory so that's well over 500gb of bandwidth. If HBM1 is any indication it won't OC very well and end up being worse than GDDR5x.
Unless HBM3 is leaps and bounds ahead then I'd say GDDR6 is the future.
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 08:50 AM
Pricing seems good, especially when compared to the rumored prices a few days ago (500 or 550$). For complete system builders/changers, that extra 100$ voucher for the CPU+MOBO combo is neat. Plus you get 2 games, one of which is an upcoming title.
well.. threadripper looks like a success already, but vega have a long hard path to run... i think the pricing isn't that bad..
Pricing seems good, especially when compared to the rumored prices a few days ago (500 or 550$). For complete system builders/changers, that extra 100$ voucher for the CPU+MOBO combo is neat. Plus you get 2 games, one of which is an upcoming title.
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 09:41 AM
Awaiting general power consumption results for ordinary tasks before deciding on this.
Awaiting general power consumption results for ordinary tasks before deciding on this.
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 11:17 AM
So much for the almighty HBM2, it has the same bandwidth as a Ti, except you know like most of us my Ti is running at 12ghz memory so that's well over 500gb of bandwidth. If HBM1 is any indication it won't OC very well and end up being worse than GDDR5x.
Unless HBM3 is leaps and bounds ahead then I'd say GDDR6 is the future.
You could actually double the bandwidth of HBM by using more stacks, like NVIDIA does on their GV100 GPUs - but of course more stacks cost more money (and GV100 costs a fortune, but its a "pro" datacenter GPU).
In any case I tend to generally agree. HBM is largely overrated for consumer use. To get an actual bandwidth advantage you would need to use 4 stacks, which costs a lot of money, and at 2 stacks GDDR5x and the future GDDR6 will match or even beat it - at a lower pricepoint at that.
So much for the almighty HBM2, it has the same bandwidth as a Ti, except you know like most of us my Ti is running at 12ghz memory so that's well over 500gb of bandwidth. If HBM1 is any indication it won't OC very well and end up being worse than GDDR5x.
Unless HBM3 is leaps and bounds ahead then I'd say GDDR6 is the future.
You could actually double the bandwidth of HBM by using more stacks, like NVIDIA does on their GV100 GPUs - but of course more stacks cost more money (and GV100 costs a fortune, but its a "pro" datacenter GPU).
In any case I tend to generally agree. HBM is largely overrated for consumer use. To get an actual bandwidth advantage you would need to use 4 stacks, which costs a lot of money, and at 2 stacks GDDR5x and the future GDDR6 will match or even beat it - at a lower pricepoint at that.
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 11:26 AM
My Gigabyte G1 1080, consumes 216W (capped by BIOS) and it still has Power perfcap at that wattage limit.
But of course, it's overclocked and it performs very well for that Wattage, between a 1080 reference and a 1080 ti reference.
I'd like to switch to AMD in a future, but I hope AMD has a good alternative regarding performance/powerconsumption. If it's just a few watts more worse than nvidia (like 30-50 watt) I'd buy, but not more.
At the end, it should help the market and benefit all of us, if nvidia has some competition in the hi-end.
My Gigabyte G1 1080, consumes 216W (capped by BIOS) and it still has Power perfcap at that wattage limit.
But of course, it's overclocked and it performs very well for that Wattage, between a 1080 reference and a 1080 ti reference.
I'd like to switch to AMD in a future, but I hope AMD has a good alternative regarding performance/powerconsumption. If it's just a few watts more worse than nvidia (like 30-50 watt) I'd buy, but not more.
At the end, it should help the market and benefit all of us, if nvidia has some competition in the hi-end.
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 11:40 AM
425watts on the vega 64 LCS... that's a whole system by itself lol, maybe the 1200+ watts power supplies might start selling more again
Looking forward to your review HH, hope it comes out Better than the rumours so far
Wasn't that Vega Liquid cooled model 345W vs 295W of the air cooled vs 215w of the 56 model.
425watts on the vega 64 LCS... that's a whole system by itself lol, maybe the 1200+ watts power supplies might start selling more again
Looking forward to your review HH, hope it comes out Better than the rumours so far
Wasn't that Vega Liquid cooled model 345W vs 295W of the air cooled vs 215w of the 56 model.
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 12:03 PM
I read several times that these numbers are only GPU power, not the entire card. Don't know if true.
I sure hope the 56 model turns out to be a lot faster than the 1070, that's the most interesting one for me.
Wasn't that Vega Liquid cooled model 345W vs 295W of the air cooled vs 215w of the 56 model.
I read several times that these numbers are only GPU power, not the entire card. Don't know if true.
I sure hope the 56 model turns out to be a lot faster than the 1070, that's the most interesting one for me.
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 12:05 PM
From what i have seen it's around 350-400 watts alone for the LCS one, getting different numbers depending on what article i've seen, although real world numbers could very well be lower depending on the game and demand of course
Overclocking the card (if possible) could quite easily increase that to 500watts from the GPU alone, no wonder they put a liquid cooler on it again, the thing is going to be so toasty with just air
Wasn't that Vega Liquid cooled model 345W vs 295W of the air cooled vs 215w of the 56 model.
From what i have seen it's around 350-400 watts alone for the LCS one, getting different numbers depending on what article i've seen, although real world numbers could very well be lower depending on the game and demand of course
Overclocking the card (if possible) could quite easily increase that to 500watts from the GPU alone, no wonder they put a liquid cooler on it again, the thing is going to be so toasty with just air
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 12:09 PM
From what i have seen it's around 350-400 watts alone for the LCS one, getting different numbers depending on what article i've seen, although real world numbers could very well be lower depending on the game and demand of course
Overclocking the card (if possible) could quite easily increase that to 500watts from the GPU alone, no wonder they put a liquid cooler on it again, the thing is going to be so toasty with just air
I just wonder. Where is the 4x perf/watt vs whatever. Oh well. It might be on lower clocks.
From what i have seen it's around 350-400 watts alone for the LCS one, getting different numbers depending on what article i've seen, although real world numbers could very well be lower depending on the game and demand of course
Overclocking the card (if possible) could quite easily increase that to 500watts from the GPU alone, no wonder they put a liquid cooler on it again, the thing is going to be so toasty with just air
I just wonder. Where is the 4x perf/watt vs whatever. Oh well. It might be on lower clocks.
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 12:18 PM
Wow how disappointed are Ryzen 1700/1800 builders right now? A threadripper with 8/16 got snuck in. I'm sure they kept that quiet to keep selling the Ryzen. I had a sneaking suspicion they might do this and luckily I waited to pull the trigger on Ryzen. Now just wait and see how the 1900x gets along. The Vega seems to be a clunker. The 1080 has been around too long now for AMD to upset that market. And now with the ridiculous power requirements. 1000w gpu needed to run just the Vega? A Threadripper build with A Vega card is going to cause so much heating problems inside of cases. As someone else stated you will need a separate power company account to run the computer! An overclocked Threadripper, an overclocked Vega card, you will be able to pop popcorn on top of your rig. That's o.k. I guess if you watch Netflix on your computer. This will also cause degradation of all the electronics in your rig. THREADRIPPER YES! VEGA NAH NOT FOR ME.
Wow how disappointed are Ryzen 1700/1800 builders right now? A threadripper with 8/16 got snuck in. I'm sure they kept that quiet to keep selling the Ryzen. I had a sneaking suspicion they might do this and luckily I waited to pull the trigger on Ryzen. Now just wait and see how the 1900x gets along. The Vega seems to be a clunker. The 1080 has been around too long now for AMD to upset that market. And now with the ridiculous power requirements. 1000w gpu needed to run just the Vega? A Threadripper build with A Vega card is going to cause so much heating problems inside of cases. As someone else stated you will need a separate power company account to run the computer! An overclocked Threadripper, an overclocked Vega card, you will be able to pop popcorn on top of your rig. That's o.k. I guess if you watch Netflix on your computer. This will also cause degradation of all the electronics in your rig. THREADRIPPER YES! VEGA NAH NOT FOR ME.
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 12:30 PM
8 Core TR with 64 PCIe channels and Quad ram channels?!
8 Core TR with 64 PCIe channels and Quad ram channels?!
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I am not in the least disappointed really. I got my cpu 3 months ago and it has been running great. Threadripper build would have cost more no doubt. And would have had higher memory bandwidth but it should be roughly the same else so I am all fine.
Wow how disappointed are Ryzen 1700/1800 builders right now? A threadripper with 8/16 got snuck in. I'm sure they kept that quiet to keep selling the Ryzen. I had a sneaking suspicion they might do this and luckily I waited to pull the trigger on Ryzen. Now just wait and see how the 1900x gets along. The Vega seems to be a clunker. The 1080 has been around too long now for AMD to upset that market. And now with the ridiculous power requirements. 1000w gpu needed to run just the Vega? A Threadripper build with A Vega card is going to cause so much heating problems inside of cases. As someone else stated you will need a separate power company account to run the computer! An overclocked Threadripper, an overclocked Vega card, you will be able to pop popcorn on top of your rig. That's o.k. I guess if you watch Netflix on your computer. This will also cause degradation of all the electronics in your rig. THREADRIPPER YES! VEGA NAH NOT FOR ME.
I am not in the least disappointed really. I got my cpu 3 months ago and it has been running great. Threadripper build would have cost more no doubt. And would have had higher memory bandwidth but it should be roughly the same else so I am all fine.
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 01:01 PM
What's different from a few years ago? Other than that we had one generation or so of less powerhungry mid-spec cards?
Wow how disappointed are Ryzen 1700/1800 builders right now? A threadripper with 8/16 got snuck in. I'm sure they kept that quiet to keep selling the Ryzen. I had a sneaking suspicion they might do this and luckily I waited to pull the trigger on Ryzen. Now just wait and see how the 1900x gets along. The Vega seems to be a clunker. The 1080 has been around too long now for AMD to upset that market. And now with the ridiculous power requirements. 1000w gpu needed to run just the Vega? A Threadripper build with A Vega card is going to cause so much heating problems inside of cases. As someone else stated you will need a separate power company account to run the computer! An overclocked Threadripper, an overclocked Vega card, you will be able to pop popcorn on top of your rig. That's o.k. I guess if you watch Netflix on your computer. This will also cause degradation of all the electronics in your rig. THREADRIPPER YES! VEGA NAH NOT FOR ME.
What's different from a few years ago? Other than that we had one generation or so of less powerhungry mid-spec cards?
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 01:04 PM
This, plus am4 socket will be there for a while, as a result you can upgrade to a new CPU down the road without switching to a new mobo.
I am not in the least disappointed really. I got my cpu 3 months ago and it has been running great. Threadripper build would have cost more no doubt. And would have had higher memory bandwidth but it should be roughly the same else so I am all fine.
This, plus am4 socket will be there for a while, as a result you can upgrade to a new CPU down the road without switching to a new mobo.
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 01:25 PM
I'm buying Intel.
Someone needs to support the competition too
I'm buying Intel.
Someone needs to support the competition too
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 01:57 PM
So much for the almighty HBM2, it has the same bandwidth as a Ti, except you know like most of us my Ti is running at 12ghz memory so that's well over 500gb of bandwidth. If HBM1 is any indication it won't OC very well and end up being worse than GDDR5x.
Unless HBM3 is leaps and bounds ahead then I'd say GDDR6 is the future.
HBM isn't the problem, I'm betting the GPU itself is the bottleneck. GNC isn't aging so well - Vega has more serious problems than memory bandwidth and overclockability. Don't forget - Nvidia is also interested in HBM, so whatever negative speculation you have of it clearly isn't true. It isn't often Nvidia follows the footsteps of a competitor so obviously.
Wow how disappointed are Ryzen 1700/1800 builders right now? A threadripper with 8/16 got snuck in. I'm sure they kept that quiet to keep selling the Ryzen. I had a sneaking suspicion they might do this and luckily I waited to pull the trigger on Ryzen. Now just wait and see how the 1900x gets along.
Maybe 1800X users (who didn't get the sale price) are disappointed, but definitely not 1700 users. Ryzen 7 is for a completely different market. You get fewer memory channels, but from what I recall, frequency has a bigger performance impact. You get fewer PCIe lanes, but most people only want 1 GPU, and any other expansion cards can easily be handled by the chipset. You get more M.2 slots, but most people are better off with just 1 (for performance) with a separate SATA drive (for mass storage). Ryzen 7s also have the advantage of more heatsink availability and ITX form factors. 1900X is currently limited to full ATX with almost no coolers to choose from.
So all that being said, the only people who would've regretted their purchase are 1800X owners who wanted a little bit extra but settled for less.
So much for the almighty HBM2, it has the same bandwidth as a Ti, except you know like most of us my Ti is running at 12ghz memory so that's well over 500gb of bandwidth. If HBM1 is any indication it won't OC very well and end up being worse than GDDR5x.
Unless HBM3 is leaps and bounds ahead then I'd say GDDR6 is the future.
HBM isn't the problem, I'm betting the GPU itself is the bottleneck. GNC isn't aging so well - Vega has more serious problems than memory bandwidth and overclockability. Don't forget - Nvidia is also interested in HBM, so whatever negative speculation you have of it clearly isn't true. It isn't often Nvidia follows the footsteps of a competitor so obviously.
Wow how disappointed are Ryzen 1700/1800 builders right now? A threadripper with 8/16 got snuck in. I'm sure they kept that quiet to keep selling the Ryzen. I had a sneaking suspicion they might do this and luckily I waited to pull the trigger on Ryzen. Now just wait and see how the 1900x gets along.
Maybe 1800X users (who didn't get the sale price) are disappointed, but definitely not 1700 users. Ryzen 7 is for a completely different market. You get fewer memory channels, but from what I recall, frequency has a bigger performance impact. You get fewer PCIe lanes, but most people only want 1 GPU, and any other expansion cards can easily be handled by the chipset. You get more M.2 slots, but most people are better off with just 1 (for performance) with a separate SATA drive (for mass storage). Ryzen 7s also have the advantage of more heatsink availability and ITX form factors. 1900X is currently limited to full ATX with almost no coolers to choose from.
So all that being said, the only people who would've regretted their purchase are 1800X owners who wanted a little bit extra but settled for less.
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Posted on: 07/31/2017 02:33 PM
Maybe 1800X users (who didn't get the sale price) are disappointed, but definitely not 1700 users. Ryzen 7 is for a completely different market. You get fewer memory channels, but from what I recall, frequency has a bigger performance impact. You get fewer PCIe lanes, but most people only want 1 GPU, and any other expansion cards can easily be handled by the chipset. You get more M.2 slots, but most people are better off with just 1 (for performance) with a separate SATA drive (for mass storage). Ryzen 7s also have the advantage of more heatsink availability and ITX form factors. 1900X is currently limited to full ATX with almost no coolers to choose from.
So all that being said, the only people who would've regretted their purchase are 1800X owners who wanted a little bit extra but settled for less.
As long as the technology keeps advancing as fast as possible, I don't really care about this. Too many years with CPU market stuck with tiny yearly performance bumps.....
0% exciting!
Maybe 1800X users (who didn't get the sale price) are disappointed, but definitely not 1700 users. Ryzen 7 is for a completely different market. You get fewer memory channels, but from what I recall, frequency has a bigger performance impact. You get fewer PCIe lanes, but most people only want 1 GPU, and any other expansion cards can easily be handled by the chipset. You get more M.2 slots, but most people are better off with just 1 (for performance) with a separate SATA drive (for mass storage). Ryzen 7s also have the advantage of more heatsink availability and ITX form factors. 1900X is currently limited to full ATX with almost no coolers to choose from.
So all that being said, the only people who would've regretted their purchase are 1800X owners who wanted a little bit extra but settled for less.
As long as the technology keeps advancing as fast as possible, I don't really care about this. Too many years with CPU market stuck with tiny yearly performance bumps.....
0% exciting!
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Ughhh... How many events? Waiting for your review HH. Thanks.