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Strange Brigade: PC graphics performance benchmark review
Posted by: on: 08/31/2018 03:36 PM [
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AMD has added a funny new game towards its software lineup, Strange Brigade is bundled with their selected cards. We wanted to fab a bit of a performance review as the game supports Vulkan, DirectX but also has a DirectX ASync Compute switch available. That all by itself is handy to check out the current state of Vulkan, and DirectX 12.
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cryohellinc
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 03:54 PM
Great optimization there! How's the game btw?
Great optimization there! How's the game btw?
fatboyslimerr
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 04:06 PM
Maybe it's just me but I thought DX12 and, to an extent, Vulcan were both able to leverage more cores and weren't just about those GHz. Less CPU overhead or at least more balanced CPU overhead or something like that.
It would be more interesting to see these APIs tested on say a 1060, 1080, 570 and Vega 64 with say an FX 8300, Ryzen 5 and something like i7 2600 vs your standard test bench.
Maybe it's just me but I thought DX12 and, to an extent, Vulcan were both able to leverage more cores and weren't just about those GHz. Less CPU overhead or at least more balanced CPU overhead or something like that.
It would be more interesting to see these APIs tested on say a 1060, 1080, 570 and Vega 64 with say an FX 8300, Ryzen 5 and something like i7 2600 vs your standard test bench.
Brisse
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 04:32 PM
IMO you are not praising Vulkan highly enough here. It is an open and portable standard, unlike d3d12 which is proprietary locked down crap. The fact that the developers implemented it alongside d3d12 and that it performs on par is awesome for those of us who doesn't use Windows. While this game has no Linux-port as far as I know, it would still run awesomely on Linux using compatibility layers like Proton or Wine. With Vulkan, it would have pretty much zero extra overhead since the graphics API doesn't have to be translated by the compatability layer. A shame it has Denuvo though, as it's rootkit-like functionallity often causes trouble for compatibility layers. Here's to hoping they remove that crap ASAP.
Doom 2016 is a great example of how awesome compatibility layers can be when using Vulkan:
IMO you are not praising Vulkan highly enough here. It is an open and portable standard, unlike d3d12 which is proprietary locked down crap. The fact that the developers implemented it alongside d3d12 and that it performs on par is awesome for those of us who doesn't use Windows. While this game has no Linux-port as far as I know, it would still run awesomely on Linux using compatibility layers like Proton or Wine. With Vulkan, it would have pretty much zero extra overhead since the graphics API doesn't have to be translated by the compatability layer. A shame it has Denuvo though, as it's rootkit-like functionallity often causes trouble for compatibility layers. Here's to hoping they remove that crap ASAP.
Doom 2016 is a great example of how awesome compatibility layers can be when using Vulkan:
Raider0001
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 04:37 PM
Maybe it's just me but I thought DX12 and, to an extent, Vulcan were both able to leverage more cores and weren't just about those GHz. Less CPU overhead or at least more balanced CPU overhead or something like that.
It would be more interesting to see these APIs tested on say a 1060, 1080, 570 and Vega 64 with say an FX 8300, Ryzen 5 and something like i7 2600 vs your standard test bench.
U do not really need CPU power for games, these are not that complicated tasks (like calculating proteins), U just need something to handle the graphic cards driver according to the performance it is capable of doing and then some for the AI and sound and engine
Maybe it's just me but I thought DX12 and, to an extent, Vulcan were both able to leverage more cores and weren't just about those GHz. Less CPU overhead or at least more balanced CPU overhead or something like that.
It would be more interesting to see these APIs tested on say a 1060, 1080, 570 and Vega 64 with say an FX 8300, Ryzen 5 and something like i7 2600 vs your standard test bench.
U do not really need CPU power for games, these are not that complicated tasks (like calculating proteins), U just need something to handle the graphic cards driver according to the performance it is capable of doing and then some for the AI and sound and engine
Agonist
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 04:41 PM
HOLY S***, look at the Fury X go at 4k. Even then 1080p, 1440p results are really good.
HOLY S***, look at the Fury X go at 4k. Even then 1080p, 1440p results are really good.
Fox2232
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 04:41 PM
Frametime graphs reads microseconds...
Frametime graphs reads microseconds...
Brisse
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 04:43 PM
Good proof for 4GiB being enough despite seing higher memory usage on cards with >4GiB.
HOLY S***, look at the Fury X go at 4k. Even then 1080p, 1440p results are really good.
Good proof for 4GiB being enough despite seing higher memory usage on cards with >4GiB.
JonasBeckman
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 04:57 PM
Deferred render contexts for one thing.
https://docs.nvidia.com/gameworks/content/gameworkslibrary/graphicssamples/d3d-samples/d3d11deferredcontextssample.htm
For AMD I'm not too sure how that works at the moment, doesn't seem to be immediately doable but then again they do use multi-threaded rendering as well so, well I have a lot more to learn on the subject.
https://github.com/GPUOpen-LibrariesAndSDKs/AGS-SDK/issues/20
I do know a lot of games create render threads though, Final Fantasy XV ideally wants a 6 core processor, Assassin's Creed Origins creates a whooping 8 of them and Monster Hunter World has some bug in it so it creates 32 unless restrained though that's not strictly just render threads from how I understand it.
And it's improved or even part of DirectX 12 and Vulkan already without extras or other add-on bits though used well it should improve overall CPU usage but it's spread across more cores and games like AC:O don't scale down very well so it's 8 or nothing and thus quad cores see a bit of stuttering though hexa cores do alright in most situations though CPU usage is pretty high. (Though the game also spends a lot of resources on the WMI thread for some undetermined reason.)
Though I suppose technically you would still be correct, it's less about power (clock speed.) and more about using the additional cores logical or physical for modern processors more fully though it doesn't hurt to have both especially with modern PC ports being a bit, wonky, and that's being generous for how some of them turned out ha ha.
(Although a few are also genuinely demanding and push hardware to it's limits adding various enhancements in the process.)
I suppose efficiency doesn't hurt either, depending on extensions and what type of instruction it is modern processors can be quite a bit faster but overall I guess a GPU limit is still the most common but CPU and RAM certainly helps too, sometimes surprisingly so.
U do not really need CPU power for games, these are not that complicated tasks (like calculating proteins), U just need something to handle the graphic cards driver according to the performance it is capable of doing and then some for the AI and sound and engine
Deferred render contexts for one thing.
https://docs.nvidia.com/gameworks/content/gameworkslibrary/graphicssamples/d3d-samples/d3d11deferredcontextssample.htm
For AMD I'm not too sure how that works at the moment, doesn't seem to be immediately doable but then again they do use multi-threaded rendering as well so, well I have a lot more to learn on the subject.
https://github.com/GPUOpen-LibrariesAndSDKs/AGS-SDK/issues/20
I do know a lot of games create render threads though, Final Fantasy XV ideally wants a 6 core processor, Assassin's Creed Origins creates a whooping 8 of them and Monster Hunter World has some bug in it so it creates 32 unless restrained though that's not strictly just render threads from how I understand it.
And it's improved or even part of DirectX 12 and Vulkan already without extras or other add-on bits though used well it should improve overall CPU usage but it's spread across more cores and games like AC:O don't scale down very well so it's 8 or nothing and thus quad cores see a bit of stuttering though hexa cores do alright in most situations though CPU usage is pretty high. (Though the game also spends a lot of resources on the WMI thread for some undetermined reason.)
Though I suppose technically you would still be correct, it's less about power (clock speed.) and more about using the additional cores logical or physical for modern processors more fully though it doesn't hurt to have both especially with modern PC ports being a bit, wonky, and that's being generous for how some of them turned out ha ha.
(Although a few are also genuinely demanding and push hardware to it's limits adding various enhancements in the process.)
I suppose efficiency doesn't hurt either, depending on extensions and what type of instruction it is modern processors can be quite a bit faster but overall I guess a GPU limit is still the most common but CPU and RAM certainly helps too, sometimes surprisingly so.
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 05:26 PM
Good to see it released.
Runs great too, but the price is a bit steep atm, will wait a bit unless I get a good deal.
And I see they jumped on that bs dlc season pass too
About threading, their engine was never really optimized for multicore, although things changed since avp2010, nazi zombie army was a lot better.
And from what I saw it's the same vibe now, nothing bad, but to hire same voice actor for story is a bit meh.. always reminds me of NZA series.
Good to see it released.
Runs great too, but the price is a bit steep atm, will wait a bit unless I get a good deal.
And I see they jumped on that bs dlc season pass too
About threading, their engine was never really optimized for multicore, although things changed since avp2010, nazi zombie army was a lot better.
And from what I saw it's the same vibe now, nothing bad, but to hire same voice actor for story is a bit meh.. always reminds me of NZA series.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 05:26 PM
Guys the frame time and pacing plots have been updated. I made a mistake and used the improper data-set (totally stupid), that propagated into the plots. This has been updated and fixed now!
Guys the frame time and pacing plots have been updated. I made a mistake and used the improper data-set (totally stupid), that propagated into the plots. This has been updated and fixed now!
Venix
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 06:02 PM
i have a feeling this is going to be the new ashes of benchularity ! great performance review HH !
i have a feeling this is going to be the new ashes of benchularity ! great performance review HH !
AlRayes_BRN
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 06:05 PM
This game is awesome, im having a lot of fun playing it!
This game is awesome, im having a lot of fun playing it!
Yakk
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 06:22 PM
Well optimized game, and the Fury X works really, really well with Async.
Older cards like R9 490x and even to a lesser degree the R9 280x should also have surprisingly good results and punch way above what would be expected leaving their old competition behind.
HOLY S***, look at the Fury X go at 4k. Even then 1080p, 1440p results are really good.
Well optimized game, and the Fury X works really, really well with Async.
Older cards like R9 490x and even to a lesser degree the R9 280x should also have surprisingly good results and punch way above what would be expected leaving their old competition behind.
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 06:45 PM
Same engine as sniper elite 4 and runs about the same, https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/sniper-elite-4-pc-graphics-performance-benchmark-review,7.html
Same engine as sniper elite 4 and runs about the same, https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/sniper-elite-4-pc-graphics-performance-benchmark-review,7.html
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 06:51 PM
I know it is an AMD supported title, but look at how AMD cards destroy the NV competitors: RX 580-GTX 1060, Vega 56-GTX 1070. Vega 56 even tops the 1080.
I know it is an AMD supported title, but look at how AMD cards destroy the NV competitors: RX 580-GTX 1060, Vega 56-GTX 1070. Vega 56 even tops the 1080.
Yakk
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 06:54 PM
Yeah I believe AMD worked with Rebellion on their Asura graphics engine and it seems to run really smooth.
Yeah I believe AMD worked with Rebellion on their Asura graphics engine and it seems to run really smooth.
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 07:22 PM
It's pretty funny how much it matters. But naturally Nvidia still claims the absolute crown with their top cards. I reckon the RTX cards would be quite tough as well.
I know it is an AMD supported title, but look at how AMD cards destroy the NV competitors: RX 580-GTX 1060, Vega 56-GTX 1070. Vega 56 even tops the 1080.
It's pretty funny how much it matters. But naturally Nvidia still claims the absolute crown with their top cards. I reckon the RTX cards would be quite tough as well.
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 08:53 PM
Nvidia have async compute?
Nvidia have async compute?
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 08:55 PM
Lights and shadows looks soo much better than in ohyped RT Battlefield V...
Lights and shadows looks soo much better than in ohyped RT Battlefield V...
cryohellinc
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 09:21 PM
Have to agree, even with Ray tracing in those videos it doesn't look revolutionary.
Lights and shadows looks soo much better than in ohyped RT Battlefield V...
Have to agree, even with Ray tracing in those videos it doesn't look revolutionary.
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 10:47 PM
Yes on Pascal and later
Nvidia have async compute?
Yes on Pascal and later
nizzen
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 10:48 PM
You just say that, because you think RTX is too expensive
Lights and shadows looks soo much better than in ohyped RT Battlefield V...
You just say that, because you think RTX is too expensive
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 10:57 PM
Does the latest Nvidia mainline driver include all updates in the specific Vulkan dev drivers?
PCgameshardware has also done tests. R9 280x and GTX 780 are there for Kepler and GCN 1.0. Their tests don't use reference cards however.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Strange-Brigade-Spiel-61029/Specials/Benchmark-Test-Review-1263803/
Does the latest Nvidia mainline driver include all updates in the specific Vulkan dev drivers?
PCgameshardware has also done tests. R9 280x and GTX 780 are there for Kepler and GCN 1.0. Their tests don't use reference cards however.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Strange-Brigade-Spiel-61029/Specials/Benchmark-Test-Review-1263803/
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Posted on: 08/31/2018 11:04 PM
In which I have about 500 highly enjoyable hours and plan on many more. Those who glibly dismiss Ashes of the Singularity as a "tech demo" are simply foolish. Like the ones who said the same of Crysis.
i have a feeling this is going to be the new ashes of benchularity ! great performance review HH !
In which I have about 500 highly enjoyable hours and plan on many more. Those who glibly dismiss Ashes of the Singularity as a "tech demo" are simply foolish. Like the ones who said the same of Crysis.
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I have not heard of the game either,but it looks like something I would like to play.Thanks for the review.