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Sapphire Radeon RX 570 Nitro+ 4GB review
Posted by: on: 04/18/2017 01:59 PM [
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In this review we'll look at the Sapphire Radeon RX 570 Nitro+ graphics card. This Nitro+ edition has a massive cooling block slapped on top of it. And while the GPU is similar to that of the Radeon RX 470, a higher boost frequency will bring this card towards RX 480 performance levels.
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Silva
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Posted on: 04/18/2017 05:32 PM
You wanna brick your card?
They are Polaris based but the fabrication process is slightly different.
Just overclock your card and live with it, a BIOS flash will probably kill your card.
You wanna brick your card?
They are Polaris based but the fabrication process is slightly different.
Just overclock your card and live with it, a BIOS flash will probably kill your card.
Loophole35
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Posted on: 04/18/2017 05:34 PM
You wanna brick your card?
They are Polaris based but the fabrication process is slightly different.
Just overclock your card and live with it, a BIOS flash will probably kill your card.
So was 7970 to 280x yet they would flash.
You wanna brick your card?
They are Polaris based but the fabrication process is slightly different.
Just overclock your card and live with it, a BIOS flash will probably kill your card.
So was 7970 to 280x yet they would flash.
BigMaMaInHouse
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Posted on: 04/18/2017 05:49 PM
+ we got 2 bios's,
I did same with 7790->260X
R7 360->260X to run then on Crossfire ;-).
+ we got 2 bios's,
I did same with 7790->260X
R7 360->260X to run then on Crossfire ;-).
Undying
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Posted on: 04/18/2017 06:06 PM
I would probably try it just like i did with Tahiti.
So was 7970 to 280x yet they would flash.
I would probably try it just like i did with Tahiti.
Silva
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Posted on: 04/18/2017 06:22 PM
I wish you guys good luck then.
Just remember: if you brick it, it's your own fault!
I wish you guys good luck then.
Just remember: if you brick it, it's your own fault!
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 04/18/2017 06:23 PM
Sure,
Let me know the results as I like to learn myself if that works. And indeed, he has a BIOS switch and can easily fall back to a BIOS restore:
http://download-eu2.guru3d.com/images/Ellesmere.zip
Sure,
Let me know the results as I like to learn myself if that works. And indeed, he has a BIOS switch and can easily fall back to a BIOS restore:
http://download-eu2.guru3d.com/images/Ellesmere.zip
Loophole35
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Posted on: 04/18/2017 06:49 PM
I doubt any increase in core performance would be had but they may get more refined memory timings.
I would probably try it just like i did with Tahiti.
I doubt any increase in core performance would be had but they may get more refined memory timings.
Silva
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Posted on: 04/18/2017 07:08 PM
Sure,
Let me know the results as I like to learn myself if that works. And indeed, he has a BIOS switch and can easily fall back to a BIOS restore:
http://download-eu2.guru3d.com/images/Ellesmere.zip
With a way to restore even I am curious to see if it would make any difference.
Sure,
Let me know the results as I like to learn myself if that works. And indeed, he has a BIOS switch and can easily fall back to a BIOS restore:
http://download-eu2.guru3d.com/images/Ellesmere.zip
With a way to restore even I am curious to see if it would make any difference.
Quicks
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Posted on: 04/18/2017 07:16 PM
Well if it works, then I will give the red devil 470 --> 570 flash a go as well.
Well if it works, then I will give the red devil 470 --> 570 flash a go as well.
BigMaMaInHouse
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Posted on: 04/18/2017 09:40 PM
Sure,
Let me know the results as I like to learn myself if that works. And indeed, he has a BIOS switch and can easily fall back to a BIOS restore:
http://download-eu2.guru3d.com/images/Ellesmere.zip
Thank you for Upgrading My RX470 Nitro+ 4GB -> RX570 Nitro+ 4GB!
I had to use atiflash -p 0 Bios.rom -f to force the flash ;-).
https://s15.postimg.org/l84tt8nc9/Nitro-RX470into-RX570.jpg
Sure,
Let me know the results as I like to learn myself if that works. And indeed, he has a BIOS switch and can easily fall back to a BIOS restore:
http://download-eu2.guru3d.com/images/Ellesmere.zip
Thank you for Upgrading My RX470 Nitro+ 4GB -> RX570 Nitro+ 4GB!
I had to use atiflash -p 0 Bios.rom -f to force the flash ;-).
https://s15.postimg.org/l84tt8nc9/Nitro-RX470into-RX570.jpg
Silva
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Posted on: 04/18/2017 09:50 PM
Thank you for Upgrading My RX470 Nitro+ 4GB -> RX570 Nitro+ 4GB!
I had to use atiflash -p 0 Bios.rom -f to force the flash ;-).
https://s15.postimg.org/l84tt8nc9/Nitro-RX470into-RX570.jpg
What is the difference in performance?
Benchmark that bitch!
Thank you for Upgrading My RX470 Nitro+ 4GB -> RX570 Nitro+ 4GB!
I had to use atiflash -p 0 Bios.rom -f to force the flash ;-).
https://s15.postimg.org/l84tt8nc9/Nitro-RX470into-RX570.jpg
What is the difference in performance?
Benchmark that bitch!
BigMaMaInHouse
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Posted on: 04/18/2017 10:11 PM
I don't know, I do no have old benches.
I run this new bench, It's onlly showes on hulf of my screen(seems no support 4 2X DP 5K monitor).
I think my useless i3 6100 is to blame for the lower score.
I don't know, I do no have old benches.
I run this new bench, It's onlly showes on hulf of my screen(seems no support 4 2X DP 5K monitor).
I think my useless i3 6100 is to blame for the lower score.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 04/19/2017 05:50 AM
Very interesting to observe,
The CPU can make that score a bit different yes, especially compared with a Core i3. Try Time Spy and check the GPU score, it should be a notch closer.
But you are going to need to monitor your GPU temps. I see that you are hitting a max 82 degrees C, makes sense as GPUs require more volts. I'd advise you to increase fan RPM notch to compensate or create a fan delta with MSI AfterBurner.
Very interesting to observe,
The CPU can make that score a bit different yes, especially compared with a Core i3. Try Time Spy and check the GPU score, it should be a notch closer.
But you are going to need to monitor your GPU temps. I see that you are hitting a max 82 degrees C, makes sense as GPUs require more volts. I'd advise you to increase fan RPM notch to compensate or create a fan delta with MSI AfterBurner.
MrFerret
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Posted on: 04/19/2017 06:05 AM
I haven't tried the Superposition Benchmark on my 1st PC yet. From all the reviews, regarding RX580 it is still a close competitor to the GTX 1060 6GB. I hope Vega will at lease same level as the GTX 1080.
I haven't tried the Superposition Benchmark on my 1st PC yet. From all the reviews, regarding RX580 it is still a close competitor to the GTX 1060 6GB. I hope Vega will at lease same level as the GTX 1080.
BigMaMaInHouse
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Posted on: 04/19/2017 06:17 AM
Very interesting to observe,
The CPU can make that score a bit different yes, especially compared with a Core i3. Try Time Spy and check the GPU score, it should be a notch closer.
But you are going to need to monitor your GPU temps. I see that you are hitting a max 82 degrees C, makes sense as GPUs require more volts. I'd advise you to increase fan RPM notch to compensate or create a fan delta with MSI AfterBurner.
you are right, on FAN AUTO temps got high as 85 and the core frequency started jumping +-100 Mhz, forcing high FAN speed got it fixed.
If you compare the RX 470 Nitro with this RX 570 you will see that now RX 570 can hit higher Frequencies from same Voltage table.
Edit: here the Time Spy score:
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/19377822
Very interesting to observe,
The CPU can make that score a bit different yes, especially compared with a Core i3. Try Time Spy and check the GPU score, it should be a notch closer.
But you are going to need to monitor your GPU temps. I see that you are hitting a max 82 degrees C, makes sense as GPUs require more volts. I'd advise you to increase fan RPM notch to compensate or create a fan delta with MSI AfterBurner.
you are right, on FAN AUTO temps got high as 85 and the core frequency started jumping +-100 Mhz, forcing high FAN speed got it fixed.
If you compare the RX 470 Nitro with this RX 570 you will see that now RX 570 can hit higher Frequencies from same Voltage table.
Edit: here the Time Spy score:
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/19377822
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Posted on: 04/19/2017 07:20 AM
ASUS 470 ROG STRIX bios
Sure,
Let me know the results as I like to learn myself if that works. And indeed, he has a BIOS switch and can easily fall back to a BIOS restore:
Is that bios applicable to all 470 cards? Specifically the asus rog strix oc 470 4GB?
ASUS 470 ROG STRIX bios
Sure,
Let me know the results as I like to learn myself if that works. And indeed, he has a BIOS switch and can easily fall back to a BIOS restore:
Is that bios applicable to all 470 cards? Specifically the asus rog strix oc 470 4GB?
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 04/19/2017 07:55 AM
No you cannot go cross-brand with these BIOS files. That is ill-advised.
Is that bios applicable to all 470 cards? Specifically the asus rog strix oc 470 4GB?
No you cannot go cross-brand with these BIOS files. That is ill-advised.
Silva
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Posted on: 04/19/2017 11:05 AM
I don't know, I do no have old benches.
I run this new bench, It's onlly showes on hulf of my screen(seems no support 4 2X DP 5K monitor).
I think my useless i3 6100 is to blame for the lower score.
As I expected: you're slightly ahead of original 470 but still far away from the actual 570. You just overclocked the card and that means more volts, power consumption, more heat and shorter lifespan.
The benchmark is very GPU bound and your GPU is at 100% utilization, I doubt the CPU has any influence.
If you want to leave the card like that my advice is as HH said: make a custom fan profile with Afterburner. Also, I would set target max temp to 75ºC just to be on the safe side.
I don't know, I do no have old benches.
I run this new bench, It's onlly showes on hulf of my screen(seems no support 4 2X DP 5K monitor).
I think my useless i3 6100 is to blame for the lower score.
As I expected: you're slightly ahead of original 470 but still far away from the actual 570. You just overclocked the card and that means more volts, power consumption, more heat and shorter lifespan.
The benchmark is very GPU bound and your GPU is at 100% utilization, I doubt the CPU has any influence.
If you want to leave the card like that my advice is as HH said: make a custom fan profile with Afterburner. Also, I would set target max temp to 75ºC just to be on the safe side.
BigMaMaInHouse
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Posted on: 04/19/2017 11:20 AM
check my Time spy score- it's same as RX 570, same FPS.
I am very curious if partners actually used real RX 5X0 chips and not old stock RX 4X0 chips until enough refined Polaris chips available from Fabs, because the performance/watt looks exactly like old Polaris.
check my Time spy score- it's same as RX 570, same FPS.
I am very curious if partners actually used real RX 5X0 chips and not old stock RX 4X0 chips until enough refined Polaris chips available from Fabs, because the performance/watt looks exactly like old Polaris.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 04/19/2017 11:36 AM
Yeah it's working alright, your Time Spy GPU score is pretty spot on.
Yeah it's working alright, your Time Spy GPU score is pretty spot on.
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Posted on: 04/19/2017 11:39 AM
Why not? I have XFX bios on my Sapphire card right now. I just made clear it was using the same memory but with Tahiti there was a tool for that.
No you cannot go cross-brand with these BIOS files. That is ill-advised.
Why not? I have XFX bios on my Sapphire card right now. I just made clear it was using the same memory but with Tahiti there was a tool for that.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 04/19/2017 12:10 PM
You had the knowledge and insight to verify that all components are the same, but merely one thing needs to be off and flashing a brand A card with a brand B BIOS is tricky. For reference cards I'd say it is not an issue.
However going from Sapphire to the ASUS boards which are extremely customized and tweaked specifically. Again I cannot advise people trying to do it. What if your customized card uses a different type voltage regulator? Hence ill-advised.
You had the knowledge and insight to verify that all components are the same, but merely one thing needs to be off and flashing a brand A card with a brand B BIOS is tricky. For reference cards I'd say it is not an issue.
However going from Sapphire to the ASUS boards which are extremely customized and tweaked specifically. Again I cannot advise people trying to do it. What if your customized card uses a different type voltage regulator? Hence ill-advised.
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Posted on: 04/19/2017 12:14 PM
I would not do that if I were you, the Asus Strix is a custom board.
Is that bios applicable to all 470 cards? Specifically the asus rog strix oc 470 4GB?
I would not do that if I were you, the Asus Strix is a custom board.
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Posted on: 04/19/2017 02:19 PM
This ^^
Asus design is unique to them as the original sucked hard.
I would not do that if I were you, the Asus Strix is a custom board.
This ^^
Asus design is unique to them as the original sucked hard.
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Dear Hilbert,
Can you please share the bios file? I got the Nitro+ 4GB 470 and would like to test If I can flash it later ;-).
Thanks in Advance!