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AMD Radeon R9-290 review
Posted by: on: 11/07/2013 03:28 PM [
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We review the AMD Radeon R9-290. We'll benchmark these cards with FCAT Frametimes, Ultra High Definition and of course we'll check out game performance with the latest games next to power consumption and heat levels as well. This is one review you don't want to miss! The new second to best flagship product has been long awaited and anticipated. The Radeon R9-290 will compete with Nvidia's GeForce GTX 780. The card as such is a beast. As such this in-depth review will cover the Volcanic Islands GPU architecture, Hawaii for the 290 series.
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-Tj-
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 07:22 PM
Sli-756 what the hell is your problem?
One can always comment if some price is a ripoff if you dont like it not our problem, stop derailing this thread.
I think he means 780Ti, Mitzi76 7th november.
Sli-756 what the hell is your problem?
One can always comment if some price is a ripoff if you dont like it not our problem, stop derailing this thread.
Kepler has been out since March 2012 . Bring on Maxwell
I think he means 780Ti, Mitzi76 7th november.
Undying
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 07:22 PM
so ya'll can talk bs about rip off NVidia?
you do realize we have guests here ..
Nividia is paying you to deffend them? lol...
I really don't understand you sometimes.
so ya'll can talk bs about rip off NVidia?
you do realize we have guests here ..
Nividia is paying you to deffend them? lol...
I really don't understand you sometimes.
PhazeDelta1
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 07:27 PM
It's not a rip off, it's called free market capitalism.
It's not a rip off, it's called free market capitalism.
Rich_Guy
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 07:33 PM
Custom 290 for me, and a new PSU, will also have to cut the bottom half of my drive bay out to fit the card in, as the customs will be longer than the refs
Custom 290 for me, and a new PSU, will also have to cut the bottom half of my drive bay out to fit the card in, as the customs will be longer than the refs
sverek
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 07:41 PM
Power draw is also reasonable. Really interested in folding performance.
I couldn't care less aBOUT YOUR AMD GPUS, I ONLY JOIN CONVERSATION WHEN nVIDIA GET CRAPPED ON FOR NO REASON.
SO YEAH GTX 780 RIP OFF THEN YEAH?
WHATEVER.
QUIT YOUR BS, NOT MY FAULT BF4 IS PANTS/
Does Nvidia pays you handsomely so you defend it? Or it's your hobby? Do you take days off?
Why you have to join every existing thread to show that Nvidia is better?
Chill down, let red team have fun while they can.
Power draw is also reasonable. Really interested in folding performance.
I couldn't care less aBOUT YOUR AMD GPUS, I ONLY JOIN CONVERSATION WHEN nVIDIA GET CRAPPED ON FOR NO REASON.
SO YEAH GTX 780 RIP OFF THEN YEAH?
WHATEVER.
QUIT YOUR BS, NOT MY FAULT BF4 IS PANTS/
Does Nvidia pays you handsomely so you defend it? Or it's your hobby? Do you take days off?
Why you have to join every existing thread to show that Nvidia is better?
Chill down, let red team have fun while they can.
SLI-756
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 07:44 PM
Friends, I know the 290 /290x are really nice cards, however what makes them nice isn't that they beat the competition, they're nice in their own right is all and that's how it should be.
Friends, I know the 290 /290x are really nice cards, however what makes them nice isn't that they beat the competition, they're nice in their own right is all and that's how it should be.
DM789
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 07:59 PM
95 C is crazy, i am interested in buying because of the performance and price,
but i don't want a heater in my room, i live in a hot zone, the daily temps here at noon is above 33 C.
i hope the custom cooled one can drop it below 60C.
95 C is crazy, i am interested in buying because of the performance and price,
but i don't want a heater in my room, i live in a hot zone, the daily temps here at noon is above 33 C.
i hope the custom cooled one can drop it below 60C.
JulesCools
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 08:01 PM
Guys, not everyone is equally sane on the internet. SLI-756 likely has some mental issues, give him a break. I'm very excited about this card, and honestly if NewEgg hadn't been out of stock for the 290x this past week, I would have bought a 290x. But I just ordered a Sapphire r9 290 for $400 and am so excited! I personally don't mind the reference cooler, if it becomes an issue there are plenty of custom coolers (I'm surprised no one has spoken about this option). I'm looking at the Prolimatech MK-26, it looks like a great upgrade, and a seriously heavy duty cooler that will likely be more effective than the coolers that become available on non-reference cards that come out later.
Guys, not everyone is equally sane on the internet. SLI-756 likely has some mental issues, give him a break. I'm very excited about this card, and honestly if NewEgg hadn't been out of stock for the 290x this past week, I would have bought a 290x. But I just ordered a Sapphire r9 290 for $400 and am so excited! I personally don't mind the reference cooler, if it becomes an issue there are plenty of custom coolers (I'm surprised no one has spoken about this option). I'm looking at the Prolimatech MK-26, it looks like a great upgrade, and a seriously heavy duty cooler that will likely be more effective than the coolers that become available on non-reference cards that come out later.
hallryu
Don Altobello
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 08:03 PM
SLI-756 why not just stay out of AMD threads altogether.
You add little, cause many reports and make yourself look like a little kid.
Now let's get back to sensible posting.
SLI-756 why not just stay out of AMD threads altogether.
You add little, cause many reports and make yourself look like a little kid.
Now let's get back to sensible posting.
DM789
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 08:12 PM
@JulesCools : nah can't use manual custom coolers in here, because in my place, installing manual custom coolers = warranty void, so if an issue came up, i can't RMA.
@JulesCools : nah can't use manual custom coolers in here, because in my place, installing manual custom coolers = warranty void, so if an issue came up, i can't RMA.
Loophole35
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 08:12 PM
Wow dude I'll admit that SLI comes off as a bit unstable but that's going a bit far
And yes many people have mentioned 3rd party coolers see the 290x review thread.
The problem with this is that AMD has released a product than can not operate at it's designed specs. This in short does mean its a faulty product end of story. Could you imagine all the crap that would have gone down if nvidia had released the 780 and it throttled at reference but for some reason this gets a pass.
Guys, not everyone is equally sane on the internet. SLI-756 likely has some mental issues, give him a break. I'm very excited about this card, and honestly if NewEgg hadn't been out of stock for the 290x this past week, I would have bought a 290x. But I just ordered a Sapphire r9 290 for $400 and am so excited! I personally don't mind the reference cooler, if it becomes an issue there are plenty of custom coolers (I'm surprised no one has spoken about this option). I'm looking at the Prolimatech MK-26, it looks like a great upgrade, and a seriously heavy duty cooler that will likely be more effective than the coolers that become available on non-reference cards that come out later.
Wow dude I'll admit that SLI comes off as a bit unstable but that's going a bit far
And yes many people have mentioned 3rd party coolers see the 290x review thread.
The problem with this is that AMD has released a product than can not operate at it's designed specs. This in short does mean its a faulty product end of story. Could you imagine all the crap that would have gone down if nvidia had released the 780 and it throttled at reference but for some reason this gets a pass.
mitzi76
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 08:14 PM
yeah i meant maxwell! when's that due? i saw mentioned q2 i think...(so march??)
not sure when the q's are either...in fact i know nothing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6EaoPMANQM
i am from barcelona!!!
Kepler has been out since March 2012 . Bring on Maxwell
yeah i meant maxwell! when's that due? i saw mentioned q2 i think...(so march??)
not sure when the q's are either...in fact i know nothing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6EaoPMANQM
i am from barcelona!!!
Anarion
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 08:22 PM
Does anyone have any inside info when custom cooler 290(X)'s are to be released? Technically, I could wait for them and then pick the best solution. I value low noise and low temperature too much so reference card is just out of the question. I'd be stuck with Intel HD 4000 for some time then (just about to sell my second GTX 680, already sold the first one). I have to admit though that I've been less than pleased with current NVIDIA drivers. Meanwhile with crappy cards I'd finally get good reason to actually type my thesis and graduate in time for certain...
Does anyone have any inside info when custom cooler 290(X)'s are to be released? Technically, I could wait for them and then pick the best solution. I value low noise and low temperature too much so reference card is just out of the question. I'd be stuck with Intel HD 4000 for some time then (just about to sell my second GTX 680, already sold the first one). I have to admit though that I've been less than pleased with current NVIDIA drivers. Meanwhile with crappy cards I'd finally get good reason to actually type my thesis and graduate in time for certain...
PhazeDelta1
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 08:30 PM
Going by past releases, it's normally 3-4 months after that we'll start seeing custom PCBs.
Does anyone have any inside info when custom cooler 290(X)'s are to be released? Technically, I could wait for them and then pick the best solution. I value low noise and low temperature too much so reference card is just out of the question. I'd be stuck with Intel HD 4000 for some time then (just about to sell my second GTX 680, already sold the first one). I have to admit though that I've been less than pleased with current NVIDIA drivers. Meanwhile with crappy cards I'd finally get good reason to actually type my thesis and graduate in time for certain...
Going by past releases, it's normally 3-4 months after that we'll start seeing custom PCBs.
mitzi76
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 08:30 PM
Wow dude I'll admit that SLI comes off as a bit unstable but that's going a bit far
And yes many people have mentioned 3rd party coolers see the 290x review thread.
The problem with this is that AMD has released a product than can not operate at it's designed specs. This in short does mean its a faulty product end of story. Could you imagine all the crap that would have gone down if nvidia had released the 780 and it throttled at reference but for some reason this gets a pass.
not really mentioned as well is the resale factor late on down the line. if you buy a 290/x with a reference cooler it is in my opinion going to hamper it's resaleability...
it is putting me off. price+perf is great though...
couple of yrs time could add another of these which i can see being enough for single screen high res for 4 yrs or so...
(thinking could keep my 580 as a physx).
Wow dude I'll admit that SLI comes off as a bit unstable but that's going a bit far
And yes many people have mentioned 3rd party coolers see the 290x review thread.
The problem with this is that AMD has released a product than can not operate at it's designed specs. This in short does mean its a faulty product end of story. Could you imagine all the crap that would have gone down if nvidia had released the 780 and it throttled at reference but for some reason this gets a pass.
not really mentioned as well is the resale factor late on down the line. if you buy a 290/x with a reference cooler it is in my opinion going to hamper it's resaleability...
it is putting me off. price+perf is great though...
couple of yrs time could add another of these which i can see being enough for single screen high res for 4 yrs or so...
(thinking could keep my 580 as a physx).
eclap
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 08:32 PM
Exactly. They will be great cards and amazing value as soon as custom cards land. Let's all live in piece
Friends, I know the 290 /290x are really nice cards, however what makes them nice isn't that they beat the competition, they're nice in their own right is all and that's how it should be.
Exactly. They will be great cards and amazing value as soon as custom cards land. Let's all live in piece
SLI-756
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 08:39 PM
p e a c e.
Exactly. They will be great cards and amazing value as soon as custom cards land. Let's all live in piece
p e a c e.
Rich_Guy
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 08:40 PM
The custom cooled cards were rumoured to be end of this month, for the x.
The custom cooled cards were rumoured to be end of this month, for the x.
Loophole35
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 08:48 PM
I heard January 2014 unless it got moved up.
The custom cooled cards were rumoured to be end of this month, for the x.
I heard January 2014 unless it got moved up.
eclap
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 08:55 PM
95 C is crazy, i am interested in buying because of the performance and price,
but i don't want a heater in my room, i live in a hot zone, the daily temps here at noon is above 33 C.
i hope the custom cooled one can drop it below 60C.
wouldn't think they would achieve a 35C+ temp drop with a custom cooler, but I'm pretty sure they can drop to mid-high 60s. I would definitely wait if I was you.
95 C is crazy, i am interested in buying because of the performance and price,
but i don't want a heater in my room, i live in a hot zone, the daily temps here at noon is above 33 C.
i hope the custom cooled one can drop it below 60C.
wouldn't think they would achieve a 35C+ temp drop with a custom cooler, but I'm pretty sure they can drop to mid-high 60s. I would definitely wait if I was you.
Weecka
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 08:58 PM
Nice review, Hilbert. Really nice performance from R9-290. Though it is way too close to 290x (on some youtube reviews non-x one is better tbh), so there's absolutely no point buying the 290x.
The temps and noise are still a bit worrying, but i guess once custom cooled cards appear it should all be sorted (hopefully early 2014).
All in all, very impressive. Next up is the 780ti, which if i'm not mistaken will be out this thursday. Hope the performance increase is huge (and they drop that $699 price a bit) or AMD will be the best price/performance choice (especially R9-290).
P.S. Hilbert, are you gonna include temp section for all cards from now on? would be nice to have it for all cards.
Nice review, Hilbert. Really nice performance from R9-290. Though it is way too close to 290x (on some youtube reviews non-x one is better tbh), so there's absolutely no point buying the 290x.
The temps and noise are still a bit worrying, but i guess once custom cooled cards appear it should all be sorted (hopefully early 2014).
All in all, very impressive. Next up is the 780ti, which if i'm not mistaken will be out this thursday. Hope the performance increase is huge (and they drop that $699 price a bit) or AMD will be the best price/performance choice (especially R9-290).
P.S. Hilbert, are you gonna include temp section for all cards from now on? would be nice to have it for all cards.
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 09:00 PM
dunno stock cooler has needed reworking for quite some time now
wouldn't think they would achieve a 35C+ temp drop with a custom cooler, but I'm pretty sure they can drop to mid-high 60s. I would definitely wait if I was you.
dunno stock cooler has needed reworking for quite some time now
makaveli316
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 09:24 PM
Who cares about heat and noise?
Do you play with no sound, cause once my headphones are on my ears, i can't hear anything. If you ask me, it could be a helicopter and i wouldn't care less.
Same goes for heat. I won't be having the card more than 2 years and i'm pretty sure it will last a lot longer, even at 100 degrees.
I bought my 670 last year and i will be selling it on ebay to get me this beast
In the end it will cost me 200 bucks, max.
Who cares about heat and noise?
Do you play with no sound, cause once my headphones are on my ears, i can't hear anything. If you ask me, it could be a helicopter and i wouldn't care less.
Same goes for heat. I won't be having the card more than 2 years and i'm pretty sure it will last a lot longer, even at 100 degrees.
I bought my 670 last year and i will be selling it on ebay to get me this beast
In the end it will cost me 200 bucks, max.
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 09:28 PM
I personally do not mind stock coolers on AMD. Because I believe 1st batch should go to those who understand what they are getting.
To those who want to do alternative cooling. I would even get 290x without heatsink at all if that means lower price
BTW Hilbert, can you get us VRM temperatures while GPU is at it's peak 94/95°C?
I really wonder how much they heat up.
One thing is I can do same crazy modification I did on my HD7970 by hybridizing stock heatsink with accelero extreme.
With today's OpenCL benchmarking GPU went up to 49°C and VRM to 63/66°C.
I guess If I do same on 290x it will be as silent as 7970 while keeping GPU under 70°C. But I am not sure about VRM. That is why I would like to know difference between GPU and VRM temperatures on Stock 290(x) cooling.
I personally do not mind stock coolers on AMD. Because I believe 1st batch should go to those who understand what they are getting.
To those who want to do alternative cooling. I would even get 290x without heatsink at all if that means lower price
BTW Hilbert, can you get us VRM temperatures while GPU is at it's peak 94/95°C?
I really wonder how much they heat up.
One thing is I can do same crazy modification I did on my HD7970 by hybridizing stock heatsink with accelero extreme.
With today's OpenCL benchmarking GPU went up to 49°C and VRM to 63/66°C.
I guess If I do same on 290x it will be as silent as 7970 while keeping GPU under 70°C. But I am not sure about VRM. That is why I would like to know difference between GPU and VRM temperatures on Stock 290(x) cooling.
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