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AMD Radeon R9-290 review
Posted by: on: 11/07/2013 03:28 PM [
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We review the AMD Radeon R9-290. We'll benchmark these cards with FCAT Frametimes, Ultra High Definition and of course we'll check out game performance with the latest games next to power consumption and heat levels as well. This is one review you don't want to miss! The new second to best flagship product has been long awaited and anticipated. The Radeon R9-290 will compete with Nvidia's GeForce GTX 780. The card as such is a beast. As such this in-depth review will cover the Volcanic Islands GPU architecture, Hawaii for the 290 series.
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alanm
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 01:37 PM
Other reviews are in line with guru3d on this.
I'm a bit curious why the temperature & noise page was copied from the 290x instead of getting it's own sample review?
Other reviews are in line with guru3d on this.
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 02:10 PM
Let's see what other cooling solutions bring. They are certainly needed. Again: Great review.
Let's see what other cooling solutions bring. They are certainly needed. Again: Great review.
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 02:11 PM
THG made this observation:
Hmmmmmm.....
THG made this observation:
the two retail Radeon R9 290X boards in our lab are both slower than the 290 tested today. They average lower clock rates over time, pushing frame rates down. Clearly there’s something wrong when the derivative card straight from AMD ends up on top of the just-purchased flagships. So who’s to say that retail 290s won’t follow suit, and when we start buying those cards, they prove to underperform GeForce GTX 780? We can only speculate at this point, though anecdotal evidence gleaned from our experience with R9 290X is suggestive.
Hmmmmmm.....
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 02:12 PM
Great review boss
Great little card too!
I was wondering when(if)bf4 has some buggyness gone will you add it to the games list?
Great review boss
Great little card too!
I was wondering when(if)bf4 has some buggyness gone will you add it to the games list?
Rich_Guy
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 02:17 PM
Wow, what card, and what a bloody price
, its around some of the 770s new prices, and it demolishes them, and its also over £100 cheaper than nearly all of the new 780 prices, which it also beats, AMD have just killed their 2 week old 290X, the 780, and the 770 in one fell swoop, if only they had a better cooler, as its all they need, only thing letting them down that, i was going to get an X when the customs come out, but theres zero point now, its dead, custom 290s is where its at now, unbelievable, well played AMD, well bloody played!!! 
Wow, what card, and what a bloody price
, its around some of the 770s new prices, and it demolishes them, and its also over £100 cheaper than nearly all of the new 780 prices, which it also beats, AMD have just killed their 2 week old 290X, the 780, and the 770 in one fell swoop, if only they had a better cooler, as its all they need, only thing letting them down that, i was going to get an X when the customs come out, but theres zero point now, its dead, custom 290s is where its at now, unbelievable, well played AMD, well bloody played!!!
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 02:23 PM
AMD did incredibly stupid thing with the noise. The sound is absolutely nerve-racking. Cheap trick. No one wants to listen to card like that. Custom ones probably end up costing a lot more when they start fixing issues caused by AMD. Custom PCB is probably needed too.
Wow, what card, and what a bloody price , its around some of the 770s new prices, and it demolishes them, and its also over £100 cheaper than nearly all of the new 780 prices, which it also beats, AMD have just killed their 2 week old 290X, the 780, and the 770 in one fell swoop, if only they had a better cooler, as its all they need, only thing letting them down that, i was going to get an X when the customs come out, but theres zero point now, its dead, custom 290s is where its at now, unbelievable, well played AMD, well bloody played!!!
, its around some of the 770s new prices, and it demolishes them, and its also over £100 cheaper than nearly all of the new 780 prices, which it also beats, AMD have just killed their 2 week old 290X, the 780, and the 770 in one fell swoop, if only they had a better cooler, as its all they need, only thing letting them down that, i was going to get an X when the customs come out, but theres zero point now, its dead, custom 290s is where its at now, unbelievable, well played AMD, well bloody played!!! AMD did incredibly stupid thing with the noise. The sound is absolutely nerve-racking. Cheap trick. No one wants to listen to card like that. Custom ones probably end up costing a lot more when they start fixing issues caused by AMD. Custom PCB is probably needed too.
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 02:32 PM
Have to agree, they have to change that cooler, it must be harming sales, imagine if they came out with Titan like coolers, they'd have cleaned up, instead of just falling short.
Have to agree, they have to change that cooler, it must be harming sales, imagine if they came out with Titan like coolers, they'd have cleaned up, instead of just falling short.
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 02:47 PM
I was wondering when(if)bf4 has some buggyness gone will you add it to the games list?
Already done, with reviews released starting on Thursday we'll migrate to Battlefield 4.
I was wondering when(if)bf4 has some buggyness gone will you add it to the games list?
Already done, with reviews released starting on Thursday we'll migrate to Battlefield 4.
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 02:57 PM
Great review as always. The card performs exactly as good as I expected, it's a great little number. This will be the go to card for many as soon as custom cooled models are widely available. One thing that surprised me was the price, I was expecting to see it at around £349, but you can snag up a Sapphire for £319, that's incredible value for money!
I'm expecting these prices to drop to sub £300 by the time custom versions come out. I mean wow!!! Only one thing AMD, next time you release a major new card, make sure you don't put people off by sticking a crappy cooler on it!!!
@Hilbert - I've been thinking about this for a while, wouldn't it be better to post the graphics score for 3Dmark11/13 etc? The P score is heavily influenced by the cpu and ram and it doesn't really tell us much about the brute power of these gpus. What I'm trying to say, a 290 with my cpu would score about the same in 3Dmark P score as say a 7970GE with that 3960X you're using which can be misleading. I would definitely appreciate to see the graphics score in gpu reviews
Great review as always. The card performs exactly as good as I expected, it's a great little number. This will be the go to card for many as soon as custom cooled models are widely available. One thing that surprised me was the price, I was expecting to see it at around £349, but you can snag up a Sapphire for £319, that's incredible value for money!
I'm expecting these prices to drop to sub £300 by the time custom versions come out. I mean wow!!! Only one thing AMD, next time you release a major new card, make sure you don't put people off by sticking a crappy cooler on it!!!
@Hilbert - I've been thinking about this for a while, wouldn't it be better to post the graphics score for 3Dmark11/13 etc? The P score is heavily influenced by the cpu and ram and it doesn't really tell us much about the brute power of these gpus. What I'm trying to say, a 290 with my cpu would score about the same in 3Dmark P score as say a 7970GE with that 3960X you're using which can be misleading. I would definitely appreciate to see the graphics score in gpu reviews
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 03:14 PM
Wonder if the 780s will get another massive price cut.
Wonder if the 780s will get another massive price cut.
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 03:16 PM
Did any of you see Tom's R290 review? He put a retail R290X vs his two review samples R290 and R290X, and oddly enough the retail R290X was slower then the 2 review samples and the 780 across the board and just barley above the 770.
Could have been a fluke, but we know how shady GPU company's can be, and what they have been caught with in the past.
Did any of you see Tom's R290 review? He put a retail R290X vs his two review samples R290 and R290X, and oddly enough the retail R290X was slower then the 2 review samples and the 780 across the board and just barley above the 770.
Could have been a fluke, but we know how shady GPU company's can be, and what they have been caught with in the past.
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 03:16 PM
They already cut 770/780's prices, i don't think it will go even lower.
Wonder if the 780s will get another massive price cut.
They already cut 770/780's prices, i don't think it will go even lower.
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 03:27 PM
Oh yeah thursday the other review of the week
Already done, with reviews released starting on Thursday we'll migrate to Battlefield 4.
Oh yeah thursday the other review of the week
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 03:49 PM
You can understand my confusion, since the page states 290x in two locations
Incorrect they have been tested independently, the cards are identical in terms of noise and cooling though.
You can understand my confusion, since the page states 290x in two locations
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 03:51 PM
Good job AMD cutting into your own profits by killing your own flagship card after it's only been on the market a week and a half. \facepalm
Did any of you see Tom's R290 review? He put a retail R290X vs his two review samples R290 and R290X, and oddly enough the retail R290X was slower then the 2 review samples and the 780 across the board and just barley above the 770.
Could have been a fluke, but we know how shady GPU company's can be, and what they have been caught with in the past.
Now this is interesting off to read this article.
Good job AMD cutting into your own profits by killing your own flagship card after it's only been on the market a week and a half. \facepalm
Did any of you see Tom's R290 review? He put a retail R290X vs his two review samples R290 and R290X, and oddly enough the retail R290X was slower then the 2 review samples and the 780 across the board and just barley above the 770.
Could have been a fluke, but we know how shady GPU company's can be, and what they have been caught with in the past.
Now this is interesting off to read this article.
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 04:01 PM
As long as the 290x is priced how it is, the 780 won't e dropped any further.
The 290 is looking great for the money though, but AMD are yet again doing strange business and competing against themselves.
Also hearing a few conspiracies, but not done enough reading to make my mind up yet.
As long as the 290x is priced how it is, the 780 won't e dropped any further.
The 290 is looking great for the money though, but AMD are yet again doing strange business and competing against themselves.
Also hearing a few conspiracies, but not done enough reading to make my mind up yet.
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 04:27 PM
Well Done AMD, Well Funkin' DONE!
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 05:13 PM
For those of you thinking the 290X is a worse value, while that might be true to some degree, keep in mind BOTH of these GPUs are down-clocking themselves to prevent overheating. Put a water block on these and I'm sure it'll make the extra cost of the 290X a lot more reasonable.
That being said, I'd really like to see the performance difference of these GPUs at their stock settings when the temperature is at 85C or lower. Makes me wonder how much faster these REALLY are. I'd also like to see a version of this sold without a heatsink. The heatsink by itself must be worth around $50, maybe more.
For those of you thinking the 290X is a worse value, while that might be true to some degree, keep in mind BOTH of these GPUs are down-clocking themselves to prevent overheating. Put a water block on these and I'm sure it'll make the extra cost of the 290X a lot more reasonable.
That being said, I'd really like to see the performance difference of these GPUs at their stock settings when the temperature is at 85C or lower. Makes me wonder how much faster these REALLY are. I'd also like to see a version of this sold without a heatsink. The heatsink by itself must be worth around $50, maybe more.
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 05:32 PM
Strangely AMD is winning at all points on BF4. I know it's a gaming evolved title but considering how nvidia was always ahead in BF3 on frostbite 2.0 I would've thought it would be similar with BF4.
Less the the 780 comes down to 400$ and classys for 480$ I'm on my way to getting two 290s. Still remind to be seen what the average OC is for these. If they can hit 1200 on the core with good cooling I'll be ecstatic.
Hey Hilbert, would you mind doing a benchmark run with this card for BF4. Since it would be very interesting how it will deal with it! Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!Strangely AMD is winning at all points on BF4. I know it's a gaming evolved title but considering how nvidia was always ahead in BF3 on frostbite 2.0 I would've thought it would be similar with BF4.
Less the the 780 comes down to 400$ and classys for 480$ I'm on my way to getting two 290s. Still remind to be seen what the average OC is for these. If they can hit 1200 on the core with good cooling I'll be ecstatic.
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 06:00 PM
Wow for 350€ its a steal, heat or no heat.
Now I really wonder how aggressive nvidia reacts to all this.. 780GTX looks like a ripoff now, still even for 440€, nvm that 500-600€? 780Ti..
Wow for 350€ its a steal, heat or no heat.
Now I really wonder how aggressive nvidia reacts to all this.. 780GTX looks like a ripoff now, still even for 440€, nvm that 500-600€? 780Ti..
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 06:03 PM
Wow for 350€ its a steal, heat or no heat.
Now I really wonder how aggressive nvidia reacts to all this.. 780GTX looks like a ripoff now, still even for 440€, nvm that 500-600€? 780Ti..
Yeah 290 a steal, 780 a rip off, whatever.
Wow for 350€ its a steal, heat or no heat.
Now I really wonder how aggressive nvidia reacts to all this.. 780GTX looks like a ripoff now, still even for 440€, nvm that 500-600€? 780Ti..
Yeah 290 a steal, 780 a rip off, whatever.
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 06:06 PM
yes 100 frickin € cheaper, is a steal.
yes 100 frickin € cheaper, is a steal.
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 06:07 PM
If you were on a budget it wouldn't make much sense to get a 780 over a 290 considering the price difference. If your looking for the best performance each card can give you well right now that belongs to the 780 is worth 100-180$ more though?
If you were on a budget it wouldn't make much sense to get a 780 over a 290 considering the price difference. If your looking for the best performance each card can give you well right now that belongs to the 780 is worth 100-180$ more though?
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Posted on: 11/05/2013 06:08 PM
lol it's £50 more, big freaking uber PhysX deal.
lol it's £50 more, big freaking uber PhysX deal.
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Same goes for me, that is why they have possibility to move target to 80/70.
And gave users ability to balance heat vs noise on their own.
Btw, google for water cooled OC on 290x.