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PowerColor Devil HDX Sound Card Review
Posted by: on: 12/30/2015 10:04 AM [
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Today on the slab is a new sound card from PowerColor, who need no introduction from their line of video cards, and it’s a beast, meet the PowerColor Devil HDX Sound Card.
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Ferrum Master
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Posted on: 12/30/2015 04:31 PM
Yes I still stand for those words firmly, yes I may sound rude, but it has to maintain some basic quality. I just cannot let readers pass that, it ain't a stuffed toy. You can't write things like bass shy or tonally dry, these are electronics not a poem. Everything has to claimed by measurements proving your words right, not your imagination. How one reading this will know it more less shy than his current for example Xonar DX? Well okay, we know from all the tests that is was conducted using one headphones... so a 62ohm load... one situation it is(actually in the article it is said those AKG's are 32... actually at AKG site they are told to be 62ohm, well... okay... then he says... and my hair stands up, and someone needs to introduced to the ohm's law, and what is needed for driving 600ohm load.
Much to do with these numbers come from the chips on the Devil HDX and its design. It appears that both the headphone output and RCA outputs are driven by the dedicated opamp, which is capable of driving up to 600 Ohm impedance headphones. To deliver current to this kind of load, you need an external power supply, which, as the Devil HDX would have it, it has it!
Audio world just works by that and it is sound engineering. And comparing to a reference as DIY mashup, that actually my distort to someones likeness. It has to be tested itself to work as reference, usually the more bright sound is simply high frequency oscillation and instability.
It has to include basic block diagram, basic part list. Durability, quality of components like caps and jacks.
It has to have measurements using certified audio equipment, spectrum analyzer using different sampling rates. At least RMAA using some good proven capture card... even GSMarena does that still for testing mobile phones and with and without load attached, to get some idea at least. Now we have a dedicated sound card review... and nothing... some random numbers overall the article.
It has to have tested software features. ASIO, SPDIF passthrough, auto sample rate conversion switching (the thing that CMI based things just don't do normally), WASAPI exclusive mode bit matched playback and their bugs using CMI devices when the shared mode still kicks in. Simple things that annoy usually Xonar users.
Sorry for the sour response, but this is a circus not a review.
Oh the reaction mainly was based on Ferrum's comment, after which the rest happily follows.
Yes I still stand for those words firmly, yes I may sound rude, but it has to maintain some basic quality. I just cannot let readers pass that, it ain't a stuffed toy. You can't write things like bass shy or tonally dry, these are electronics not a poem. Everything has to claimed by measurements proving your words right, not your imagination. How one reading this will know it more less shy than his current for example Xonar DX? Well okay, we know from all the tests that is was conducted using one headphones... so a 62ohm load... one situation it is(actually in the article it is said those AKG's are 32... actually at AKG site they are told to be 62ohm, well... okay... then he says... and my hair stands up, and someone needs to introduced to the ohm's law, and what is needed for driving 600ohm load.
Much to do with these numbers come from the chips on the Devil HDX and its design. It appears that both the headphone output and RCA outputs are driven by the dedicated opamp, which is capable of driving up to 600 Ohm impedance headphones. To deliver current to this kind of load, you need an external power supply, which, as the Devil HDX would have it, it has it!
Audio world just works by that and it is sound engineering. And comparing to a reference as DIY mashup, that actually my distort to someones likeness. It has to be tested itself to work as reference, usually the more bright sound is simply high frequency oscillation and instability.
It has to include basic block diagram, basic part list. Durability, quality of components like caps and jacks.
It has to have measurements using certified audio equipment, spectrum analyzer using different sampling rates. At least RMAA using some good proven capture card... even GSMarena does that still for testing mobile phones and with and without load attached, to get some idea at least. Now we have a dedicated sound card review... and nothing... some random numbers overall the article.
It has to have tested software features. ASIO, SPDIF passthrough, auto sample rate conversion switching (the thing that CMI based things just don't do normally), WASAPI exclusive mode bit matched playback and their bugs using CMI devices when the shared mode still kicks in. Simple things that annoy usually Xonar users.
Sorry for the sour response, but this is a circus not a review.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Don Vito Corleone
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Posted on: 12/30/2015 04:36 PM
It's a review on a consumer grade gamers soundcard for PC Gamers, not a scientific paper that needs academic publishing. Anyway I have been checking your post history. Go find yourself a new home, I do not need pricks on my forums.
It's a review on a consumer grade gamers soundcard for PC Gamers, not a scientific paper that needs academic publishing. Anyway I have been checking your post history. Go find yourself a new home, I do not need pricks on my forums.
Noisiv
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Posted on: 12/30/2015 05:06 PM
It has to have measurements using certified audio equipment, spectrum analyzer using different sampling rates. At least RMAA using some good proven capture card... even GSMarena does that still for testing mobile phones and with and without load attached, to get some idea at least.
But if RMAA was used then stuff like this would not fly:
"The Devil HDX has a dynamic and detailed sound, with a very wide stereo field. Its very low noise floor makes sound very pure, while at the same time a little tonally dry. It’s bass output is also not the deepest, but impactful and enjoyable."
" about the fine differences between the Devil HDX and the Sparrow A, I think we can sum up the Devil HDX’s sound: It’s dynamic, detailed, with a wide stereo field, but just a little bass shy, at least on my setup."
If you find any modern DAC "bass shy" you should check your setup, or your ears, or AMP, or your headphones.
Any of these are more suspect to bringing in bass "shyness", than the DAC itself.
I mean really... who the hell would buy the card that can not deliver the frequencies its been asked to do?
That's the sole job of a sound card.
It has to have measurements using certified audio equipment, spectrum analyzer using different sampling rates. At least RMAA using some good proven capture card... even GSMarena does that still for testing mobile phones and with and without load attached, to get some idea at least.
But if RMAA was used then stuff like this would not fly:
"The Devil HDX has a dynamic and detailed sound, with a very wide stereo field. Its very low noise floor makes sound very pure, while at the same time a little tonally dry. It’s bass output is also not the deepest, but impactful and enjoyable."
" about the fine differences between the Devil HDX and the Sparrow A, I think we can sum up the Devil HDX’s sound: It’s dynamic, detailed, with a wide stereo field, but just a little bass shy, at least on my setup."
If you find any modern DAC "bass shy" you should check your setup, or your ears, or AMP, or your headphones.
Any of these are more suspect to bringing in bass "shyness", than the DAC itself.
I mean really... who the hell would buy the card that can not deliver the frequencies its been asked to do?
That's the sole job of a sound card.
Noisiv
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Posts: 7730
Senior Member
Posts: 7730
Posted on: 12/30/2015 05:24 PM
tl;dr: moar numberz plz
Basically this.
That's the one and the only moment in the (audio) review where there is no subjectivity involved and yet skip it?
Just give us the measurements and then sing away your poem about USB audio cable
Actually after reading the comments here we will never review a sound card again. Why spend days on a review if people only bitch, moan and complain.
Come on H, don't go Unwinder on us now
tl;dr: moar numberz plz
Basically this.
That's the one and the only moment in the (audio) review where there is no subjectivity involved and yet skip it?
Just give us the measurements and then sing away your poem about USB audio cable
Actually after reading the comments here we will never review a sound card again. Why spend days on a review if people only bitch, moan and complain.
Come on H, don't go Unwinder on us now
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http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/powercolor_devil_hdx_sound_card_review,6.html
Good review and yeah owning a Phoebus now (Which soon will reside in my sisters PC as I move to the Strix.) Asus (Though hopefully PowerColor will have a easier time with this.) has had major issues with driver releases for Win10 though they as I understood it cite C-Media for the slow progress although a week or so ago they (effing finally.
(Still has a few issues and they cut some functionality too from older drivers in the sound control panel as those are now exclusive to Strix or something.)
As for the comment above mentioning the uni xonar drivers they unfortunately don't work with the newer cards which I guess is the CM8888 chip and newer so that won't work for those hoping to use those drivers.