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In this review we test the more enthusiast targeted MSI Z370 Godlike Gaming motherboard, we'll match it up with the new six-core Core i7 8700K. How do three Ethernet jacks and the option to go for five M2 SSDs sound?
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Bentez
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 04:45 PM
Nice review HH,
5.2GHz is impressive, especially for an ES chip.
A quad core on Intel's HEDT platform in 2017 does seem a bit out of touch.
I think even Threadripper's cheapest chip will smash this in multi-threaded loads but then that's not really what the 7740X is about.
There are people out there that will not be touching Ryzen or TR for various reasons but don't have a need for the new i9 range, to those people I say wait for Coffee Lake.
Nice review HH,
5.2GHz is impressive, especially for an ES chip.
A quad core on Intel's HEDT platform in 2017 does seem a bit out of touch.
I think even Threadripper's cheapest chip will smash this in multi-threaded loads but then that's not really what the 7740X is about.
There are people out there that will not be touching Ryzen or TR for various reasons but don't have a need for the new i9 range, to those people I say wait for Coffee Lake.
haste
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 05:21 PM
Hmm 5.2GHz, nice sample! That could be a very nice CPU for daily use if you delid it.
Now just give me 8c/16t alternative and I'm ready for upgrade
Hmm 5.2GHz, nice sample! That could be a very nice CPU for daily use if you delid it.
Now just give me 8c/16t alternative and I'm ready for upgrade
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 05:35 PM
Hmm 5.2GHz, nice sample! That could be a very nice CPU for daily use if you delid it.
Now just give me 8c/16t alternative and I'm ready for upgrade
If you want a 8c/16t "alternative", ryzen has been out for months now.
Hmm 5.2GHz, nice sample! That could be a very nice CPU for daily use if you delid it.
Now just give me 8c/16t alternative and I'm ready for upgrade
If you want a 8c/16t "alternative", ryzen has been out for months now.
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 05:48 PM
Noticed at the end of the review that there was PCIe gen 3 and PCIe Gen 3 version 2.... what are the differences?
Beyond that, the pricing for this is very odd, here in the UK there is only a £20 between this chip and the 6/12 core 7800x. i'm not sure why you would pick this over that one if you was looking at this price range in the first place
Noticed at the end of the review that there was PCIe gen 3 and PCIe Gen 3 version 2.... what are the differences?
Beyond that, the pricing for this is very odd, here in the UK there is only a £20 between this chip and the 6/12 core 7800x. i'm not sure why you would pick this over that one if you was looking at this price range in the first place
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 05:53 PM
Good joke
If you want a 8c/16t "alternative", ryzen has been out for months now.
Good joke
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 06:16 PM
Thanks for letting us know
Love my 7700k 5.2ghz no need for a 6 or 8 core.
Thanks for letting us know
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 06:36 PM
Noticed at the end of the review that there was PCIe gen 3 and PCIe Gen 3 version 2.... what are the differences?
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. It is a typo.There is no PCie Express 3.0 Gen 2. It is PCIe 2.0 which is Gen 2 and PCIe 3.0 which is Gen 3 aka the 3rd generation of PCI-Express.
Noticed at the end of the review that there was PCIe gen 3 and PCIe Gen 3 version 2.... what are the differences?
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. It is a typo.There is no PCie Express 3.0 Gen 2. It is PCIe 2.0 which is Gen 2 and PCIe 3.0 which is Gen 3 aka the 3rd generation of PCI-Express.
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 08:40 PM
Great review.
Despite bringing some improvements, entire X generation looks more like a stopgap than evolution.
And then it stumbles on several key points which I thought Hilbert has caught rather well.
I am cluless at this point which CPU to get. A mere R5 1600 might get job done, yet not even 800 € i7-7820 ticks all the boxes.
Great review.
Despite bringing some improvements, entire X generation looks more like a stopgap than evolution.
And then it stumbles on several key points which I thought Hilbert has caught rather well.
I am cluless at this point which CPU to get. A mere R5 1600 might get job done, yet not even 800 € i7-7820 ticks all the boxes.
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 08:46 PM
Why would you call that a joke?
The AMD 1700 is better in almost everything not gaming related.
I actually LOLed (not proud of using this word) when i saw the Cinebench results vs the 1700.
It cost a little less and uses almost half the power, comes with a decent cooler too.
An added bonus for me was that i could fit my AM2+ Scythe Zipang cooler on the AM4 socket because it is still compatible.
Good joke
Why would you call that a joke?
The AMD 1700 is better in almost everything not gaming related.
I actually LOLed (not proud of using this word) when i saw the Cinebench results vs the 1700.
It cost a little less and uses almost half the power, comes with a decent cooler too.
An added bonus for me was that i could fit my AM2+ Scythe Zipang cooler on the AM4 socket because it is still compatible.
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 08:56 PM
I'm not sure how a cpu that isn't shipping yet is "recommended". And in terms of what's actually shipping and available, if you were to revise your very nice "bang for the buck" value chart at the end of the review to show only *shipping cpus*, the reviewed CPU would not even be on the list, eh? I mean, there's no real question as to what is the "better" cpu--it's a cpu available for purchase by your reading audience, I'd say. What's the point in comparing vaporware cpus to shipping cpus in terms of value? Good review, though--and an honest review overall, even if you don't yet have any production-run X Intel cpus to test yet, against shipping Ryzen cpus & shipping Intel i7's *cough*...
I'm not sure how a cpu that isn't shipping yet is "recommended". And in terms of what's actually shipping and available, if you were to revise your very nice "bang for the buck" value chart at the end of the review to show only *shipping cpus*, the reviewed CPU would not even be on the list, eh? I mean, there's no real question as to what is the "better" cpu--it's a cpu available for purchase by your reading audience, I'd say. What's the point in comparing vaporware cpus to shipping cpus in terms of value? Good review, though--and an honest review overall, even if you don't yet have any production-run X Intel cpus to test yet, against shipping Ryzen cpus & shipping Intel i7's *cough*...
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 09:17 PM
Could Intel have enabled the extra pcie lanes and dimm slots with this chip or is there a per core limit?
Could Intel have enabled the extra pcie lanes and dimm slots with this chip or is there a per core limit?
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 09:23 PM
I don't need to revise anything, because if you'd open up your eyes and, much like I always do, took the effort to even look before making a such a comment you'd have noticed these processors are widely available worldwide:
I took the liberty of checking what country you are from, here you go.
I'm not sure how a cpu that isn't shipping yet is "recommended". And in terms of what's actually shipping and available, if you were to revise your very nice "bang for the buck" value chart at the end of the review to show only *shipping cpus*, the reviewed CPU would not even be on the list, eh? I mean, there's no real question as to what is the "better" cpu--it's a cpu available for purchase by your reading audience, I'd say. What's the point in comparing vaporware cpus to shipping cpus in terms of value?
I don't need to revise anything, because if you'd open up your eyes and, much like I always do, took the effort to even look before making a such a comment you'd have noticed these processors are widely available worldwide:
I took the liberty of checking what country you are from, here you go.
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 09:41 PM
I could get one now....https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117792&ignorebbr=1&nm-mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm-mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC---pla---Processors+-+Desktops---N82E16819117792&gclid=CjwKEAjw4vzKBRCt9Zmg8f2blgESJADN5fDgtw36sXl6kUHG734zPFeRv-U8JWgh8w2X3bdxnVkLExoC1N3w-wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
I could get one now....https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117792&ignorebbr=1&nm-mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm-mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC---pla---Processors+-+Desktops---N82E16819117792&gclid=CjwKEAjw4vzKBRCt9Zmg8f2blgESJADN5fDgtw36sXl6kUHG734zPFeRv-U8JWgh8w2X3bdxnVkLExoC1N3w-wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 10:01 PM
how comes the 7700k is only in one of the gaming benchmarks.
how comes the 7700k is only in one of the gaming benchmarks.
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 10:06 PM
Great review as always, straight to the point, good 5.2Ghz the temps not so good.
from a future proof point of view 4C/8T is really not the way to go.
guess my long overdue planed upgrade will have to wait a little longer, i'm looking at you 27th of July
then will see what's what.
Great review as always, straight to the point, good 5.2Ghz the temps not so good.
from a future proof point of view 4C/8T is really not the way to go.
guess my long overdue planed upgrade will have to wait a little longer, i'm looking at you 27th of July
then will see what's what.
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 10:54 PM
@Hilbert
Really nice chart at the end, it deserves it's own page in every review. If u could average 1 or 2 extra benchmarks in there it would be perfect.
@Hilbert
Really nice chart at the end, it deserves it's own page in every review. If u could average 1 or 2 extra benchmarks in there it would be perfect.
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 11:12 PM
Quad core is so 2007.
Quad core is so 2007.
Mineria
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 11:18 PM
Either they need to start to make some serious kick arse CPU's or game developers need to take more advantage of multiple cores, can't see any reason to upgrade from what I got for everyday usage, gaming and running a DAW.
Either they need to start to make some serious kick arse CPU's or game developers need to take more advantage of multiple cores, can't see any reason to upgrade from what I got for everyday usage, gaming and running a DAW.
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 11:47 PM
more 4 cores i see,
more 4 cores i see,
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Posted on: 07/07/2017 11:55 PM
not sure a slower 6 core would be considered bragging rights/ unless you play synthetic benchmarks all day?
This thing clearly kicks butt at gaming...
more 4 cores i see,
not sure a slower 6 core would be considered bragging rights/ unless you play synthetic benchmarks all day?
This thing clearly kicks butt at gaming...
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Posted on: 07/08/2017 01:21 AM
This thing looks ridiculous...
They could easily fit 4 of those on that substrate.
*cough*EPYC*cough*
This thing looks ridiculous...
They could easily fit 4 of those on that substrate.
*cough*EPYC*cough*
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Posted on: 07/08/2017 01:23 AM
not sure a slower 6 core would be considered bragging rights/ unless you play synthetic benchmarks all day?
This thing clearly kicks butt at gaming...
it probably does kick butt at gaming but so would a 7700k with a z270 which most people have and or if upgrading is a cheaper route. I am really trying to understand who the upgrade path these Kaby Lake Xs are aimed at.
not sure a slower 6 core would be considered bragging rights/ unless you play synthetic benchmarks all day?
This thing clearly kicks butt at gaming...
it probably does kick butt at gaming but so would a 7700k with a z270 which most people have and or if upgrading is a cheaper route. I am really trying to understand who the upgrade path these Kaby Lake Xs are aimed at.
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Posted on: 07/08/2017 04:23 AM
Impressive that it hit 5.2 Ghz but I am not to sure about that price tough.
Impressive that it hit 5.2 Ghz but I am not to sure about that price tough.
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Posted on: 07/08/2017 06:45 AM
Seems to me that the only reason to buy x299 is to get AVX-512, which the LGA2066 i7s dont have. You need to buy the i9 to get full AVX-512.
Seems to me that the only reason to buy x299 is to get AVX-512, which the LGA2066 i7s dont have. You need to buy the i9 to get full AVX-512.
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Why get Kaby Lake-X over boring regular KL? You can fry some eggs why you game
Neat that you were able to get it to 5.2ghz stable but those temps were awful.