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MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti LIGHTNING Z review
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Oh yeah, we review the MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti LIGHTNING Z, the beast has been unleashed with highly clocked factory tweaks and a completely new look. That look entails a gorgeous RGB lighting system as well as a carbon backplate. Next, to that, the card has been over-engineered in any and all impressive ways.
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Glottiz
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Posted on: 01/21/2019 07:48 PM
Hilber, very nice review and great card but can you please start listing and comparing out of the box and maximum board power limits for each GPU that your review. This is one of the most important differentiating factors between various vendors. This is extremely important for overclocking and to minimize throttling. I know that Lightning has very high power limit, but it would be nice to know what it is and how does it compare to other 2080Tis.
Thanks!
We're listing the GPU score in the shootout, not the overall performance score.
Hilber, very nice review and great card but can you please start listing and comparing out of the box and maximum board power limits for each GPU that your review. This is one of the most important differentiating factors between various vendors. This is extremely important for overclocking and to minimize throttling. I know that Lightning has very high power limit, but it would be nice to know what it is and how does it compare to other 2080Tis.
Thanks!
nmkr
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Posted on: 01/21/2019 08:05 PM
Can you switch to the LN2 Mode and show us the Biosnumber and the Powerlimit that is available please?
i guess its the same marketing stunt as with the 1080ti lightning z, i can switch from 300W to 350W with LN2 BIOS and loose timing.
real xoc bios only provided from msi for hardcore clockers, for private persons that would try ln2 they didtn give out the XOC Bios or Special Afterburner
Can you switch to the LN2 Mode and show us the Biosnumber and the Powerlimit that is available please?
i guess its the same marketing stunt as with the 1080ti lightning z, i can switch from 300W to 350W with LN2 BIOS and loose timing.
real xoc bios only provided from msi for hardcore clockers, for private persons that would try ln2 they didtn give out the XOC Bios or Special Afterburner
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Posted on: 01/21/2019 08:17 PM
Probably more close to 2K EUR.
$1.500.00? HAHAHAHA
Probably more close to 2K EUR.
Reddoguk
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Posted on: 01/21/2019 08:25 PM
39 fps @4k in BFV with RTX on. That's terribad when you've spent over 1500 pounds on this and i'm sure it'll cost even more than that because the sea hawk is 1600 already.
39 fps @4k in BFV with RTX on. That's terribad when you've spent over 1500 pounds on this and i'm sure it'll cost even more than that because the sea hawk is 1600 already.
exzeth
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Posted on: 01/21/2019 08:38 PM
Mother of god... You can build TWO computers for the price of the current lineup cost... PLEASE AMD, release gpu's that cost half this price for the same performance & I just may switch when my 1080ti dies.
Mother of god... You can build TWO computers for the price of the current lineup cost... PLEASE AMD, release gpu's that cost half this price for the same performance & I just may switch when my 1080ti dies.
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Posted on: 01/21/2019 08:46 PM
Nice review!! I have one question, i have read the review at hexus.net and there this card is very hot and loud but here its cool and quiet, can anyone answer why?
Thanks
Nice review!! I have one question, i have read the review at hexus.net and there this card is very hot and loud but here its cool and quiet, can anyone answer why?
Thanks
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Posted on: 01/21/2019 09:11 PM
Nice review!! I have one question, i have read the review at hexus.net and there this card is very hot and loud but here its cool and quiet, can anyone answer why?
Thanks
When you get two sets of results like this its normally either due to different testing environment (like tested inside an air starved case), software issues (driver corruption e.t.c), hardware issues (heatsink loose, incorrectly applied thermal paste, bios bug e.t.c), or product damage.
**EDIT**
Had a bit of a look at their review and noticed this line--
"It is worth pointing out that our test system is configured for quiet operation by default - switching the fans on the be quiet! chassis from low to high does help bring down both temperature and noise."
They are testing in a be quiet! Dark Base 700 case, in quiet mode, a case that isn't known for particularly good thermals, the harder you push these high end 2080Ti's the more wattage they use, the more wattage the more heat that needs to be removed from the case, higher airflow cases or a test bench will produce muuuuuch better thermals, I would say their card was just starved for air.
This is another reason why HH's method of open air benching is superior, you have no idea what kind of case the end user of the card will be using, so testing with any one case can make a card look better or worse than the end user will be expecting, at least with open air you know the best case results and can plan from there.
Though I guess you could also test with a bad airflow case and just show worse case and everyone will be extra happy when it works better in their system lol
Nice review!! I have one question, i have read the review at hexus.net and there this card is very hot and loud but here its cool and quiet, can anyone answer why?
Thanks
When you get two sets of results like this its normally either due to different testing environment (like tested inside an air starved case), software issues (driver corruption e.t.c), hardware issues (heatsink loose, incorrectly applied thermal paste, bios bug e.t.c), or product damage.
**EDIT**
Had a bit of a look at their review and noticed this line--
"It is worth pointing out that our test system is configured for quiet operation by default - switching the fans on the be quiet! chassis from low to high does help bring down both temperature and noise."
They are testing in a be quiet! Dark Base 700 case, in quiet mode, a case that isn't known for particularly good thermals, the harder you push these high end 2080Ti's the more wattage they use, the more wattage the more heat that needs to be removed from the case, higher airflow cases or a test bench will produce muuuuuch better thermals, I would say their card was just starved for air.
This is another reason why HH's method of open air benching is superior, you have no idea what kind of case the end user of the card will be using, so testing with any one case can make a card look better or worse than the end user will be expecting, at least with open air you know the best case results and can plan from there.
Though I guess you could also test with a bad airflow case and just show worse case and everyone will be extra happy when it works better in their system lol
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Posted on: 01/21/2019 10:06 PM
Can you switch to the LN2 Mode and show us the Biosnumber and the Powerlimit that is available please?
i guess its the same marketing stunt as with the 1080ti lightning z, i can switch from 300W to 350W with LN2 BIOS and loose timing.
real xoc bios only provided from msi for hardcore clockers, for private persons that would try ln2 they didtn give out the XOC Bios or Special Afterburner
ab is very powerfull software and the xtreme its not necessary
now don't get me wrong if you show them you have a cold set up and are stumped by the stock bios limitations they sometimes slip you one.
but lately the nv chips have been so efficient they don't take to the voltage increases older piggyer chips do
take a 2080ti for instance on just benches
chilled water 2150-2200 on stock board what are the pro's getting? 2400-2500 frozen so its really hard to gain the few 100.
so just cool it and even stock bios would be fine no need to reach much farther then the p/l for the most part.
Can you switch to the LN2 Mode and show us the Biosnumber and the Powerlimit that is available please?
i guess its the same marketing stunt as with the 1080ti lightning z, i can switch from 300W to 350W with LN2 BIOS and loose timing.
real xoc bios only provided from msi for hardcore clockers, for private persons that would try ln2 they didtn give out the XOC Bios or Special Afterburner
ab is very powerfull software and the xtreme its not necessary
now don't get me wrong if you show them you have a cold set up and are stumped by the stock bios limitations they sometimes slip you one.
but lately the nv chips have been so efficient they don't take to the voltage increases older piggyer chips do
take a 2080ti for instance on just benches
chilled water 2150-2200 on stock board what are the pro's getting? 2400-2500 frozen so its really hard to gain the few 100.
so just cool it and even stock bios would be fine no need to reach much farther then the p/l for the most part.
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Posted on: 01/22/2019 12:26 AM
I cannot understand why this card is tested at 1080p also.
Surely anyone paying this amount of money won't be gaming at 1080p, maybe not even 1440p.
Remember, we still have big tech pushing their 2000's LCD leftovers on us as new tech so 1080p is still being kept artificially alive and relevant like Ruth Bader Ginsburg
I cannot understand why this card is tested at 1080p also.
Surely anyone paying this amount of money won't be gaming at 1080p, maybe not even 1440p.
Remember, we still have big tech pushing their 2000's LCD leftovers on us as new tech so 1080p is still being kept artificially alive and relevant like Ruth Bader Ginsburg
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Posted on: 01/22/2019 12:35 AM
39 fps @4k in BFV with RTX on
more likely 15
39 fps @4k in BFV with RTX on
more likely 15
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Posted on: 01/22/2019 03:34 AM
39 fps @4k in BFV with RTX on
more likely 15
Really? Been meaning to call HH out on falsifying test results. Come on, at least make the troll post reflect that the thing between your ears was used.
39 fps @4k in BFV with RTX on
more likely 15
Really? Been meaning to call HH out on falsifying test results. Come on, at least make the troll post reflect that the thing between your ears was used.
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Posted on: 01/22/2019 03:37 AM
Thanks Hilbert for the review, helpful as always! It is indeed a great card but the price as everyone else is saying, it's just crazy. I might be in the minority here but I find the design ugly and LED lights make it look like a cheap knockoff.
I'm wondering why the GTX 1080 ti was missing from the GPU VRAY benchmark. Other lower cards were included...
And please, keep the 1080p results!! I play on an ultrawide 1080p, so almost in-between 1080p and 1440p and does help a lot of people. Cheers!
Thanks Hilbert for the review, helpful as always! It is indeed a great card but the price as everyone else is saying, it's just crazy. I might be in the minority here but I find the design ugly and LED lights make it look like a cheap knockoff.
I'm wondering why the GTX 1080 ti was missing from the GPU VRAY benchmark. Other lower cards were included...
And please, keep the 1080p results!! I play on an ultrawide 1080p, so almost in-between 1080p and 1440p and does help a lot of people. Cheers!
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Posted on: 01/22/2019 05:30 AM
Not an Nvidia fan but wow that's a beautiful card and I hate RGB lighting but this is passable!
I give Nvidia CEO TWO leather jackets up!
Not an Nvidia fan but wow that's a beautiful card and I hate RGB lighting but this is passable!
I give Nvidia CEO TWO leather jackets up!
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Posted on: 01/22/2019 08:53 AM
144fps at 4k I agree will take a loooong time, which is why I didn't say anything about 4k, 1440p though? we are already getting quite close with top end cards (and I have been speaking specifically about the benchmarking for top end cards).
Hell just look at this review about half the benchmarks get very close to 144fps at 1440p and some get much higher, nearly all of the benchmarks at 1080p get 144fps or better on this card, so yeah 1080p is still a valid benchmark resolution for top end cards right now, but I could see the next top end card or the one after that being able to drop 1080p from its testing if things continue like this.
DXR is another thing all together though, for the games that support it, yeah I can see 1080p being in the testing resolutions for a much longer time.
Yes that's true, but since 1440p adoption is even slower than 4K, I expect the jump from 1080p right towards 4K. But none of which you say is wrong
144fps at 4k I agree will take a loooong time, which is why I didn't say anything about 4k, 1440p though? we are already getting quite close with top end cards (and I have been speaking specifically about the benchmarking for top end cards).
Hell just look at this review about half the benchmarks get very close to 144fps at 1440p and some get much higher, nearly all of the benchmarks at 1080p get 144fps or better on this card, so yeah 1080p is still a valid benchmark resolution for top end cards right now, but I could see the next top end card or the one after that being able to drop 1080p from its testing if things continue like this.
DXR is another thing all together though, for the games that support it, yeah I can see 1080p being in the testing resolutions for a much longer time.
Yes that's true, but since 1440p adoption is even slower than 4K, I expect the jump from 1080p right towards 4K. But none of which you say is wrong
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Posted on: 01/22/2019 10:23 AM
Here in Sweden the difference is quite small. Most cards cost ~15k SEK and this one costs 16k SEK so just a 10% difference.
Love the card, the upgrade of mine... but what the hell is up with the pricetag... in the UK this is at £1439... A standard 2080ti is £1049, talking about a 40% price hike... just what even is this generation, my Lightening was more expensive sure, but not £400 more! more like £50-80 more... very hard to get onboard this generation, then again this 11XX series thats rumoured might change that since i have to assume they will be normal prices just without the RTX/tensor cores
Here in Sweden the difference is quite small. Most cards cost ~15k SEK and this one costs 16k SEK so just a 10% difference.
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Posted on: 01/22/2019 12:47 PM
IMO this card is well worth it just for super high power limit so you'll never have to suffer power throttling (which is very common with 2080Ti) and it also has the best 2080Ti cooler as well.
Here in Sweden the difference is quite small. Most cards cost ~15k SEK and this one costs 16k SEK so just a 10% difference.
IMO this card is well worth it just for super high power limit so you'll never have to suffer power throttling (which is very common with 2080Ti) and it also has the best 2080Ti cooler as well.
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Posted on: 01/22/2019 12:54 PM
Sorry if i post one link of another website....but if I want to purchase this card the noise and temperature are very important for me .
https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/126545-msi-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-lightning-z/?page=11
Sorry if i post one link of another website....but if I want to purchase this card the noise and temperature are very important for me .
https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/126545-msi-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-lightning-z/?page=11
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Posted on: 01/22/2019 01:06 PM
Sorry if i post one link of another website....but if I want to purchase this card the noise and temperature are very important for me .
https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/126545-msi-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-lightning-z/?page=11
It's all in the details man. Hexus is using Be Quiet Dark Base 700 silent case with silent fan profile. This is one of the worst airflow cases and on top of that they enabled silent fan profile, like WTF. That poor 2080Ti Lightning is choking in that case without any airflow.
Sorry if i post one link of another website....but if I want to purchase this card the noise and temperature are very important for me .
https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/126545-msi-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-lightning-z/?page=11
It's all in the details man. Hexus is using Be Quiet Dark Base 700 silent case with silent fan profile. This is one of the worst airflow cases and on top of that they enabled silent fan profile, like WTF. That poor 2080Ti Lightning is choking in that case without any airflow.
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Posted on: 01/22/2019 01:17 PM
Will this be limited edition too like the 1080TI lighting ?
So you cant find it anywhere after 1 week, and only 3 shops sell it...
Will this be limited edition too like the 1080TI lighting ?
So you cant find it anywhere after 1 week, and only 3 shops sell it...
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Posted on: 01/22/2019 01:18 PM
Will this be limited edition too like the 1080TI lighting ?
So you cant find it anywhere after 1 week, and only 3 shops sell it...
Yes, I guess you can expect that. It's in the nature of the card, not many want it, they don't ship 10 units to every reseller... and the bigger ones probably take (inofficial) preorders anyway.
Will this be limited edition too like the 1080TI lighting ?
So you cant find it anywhere after 1 week, and only 3 shops sell it...
Yes, I guess you can expect that. It's in the nature of the card, not many want it, they don't ship 10 units to every reseller... and the bigger ones probably take (inofficial) preorders anyway.
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Posted on: 01/22/2019 01:26 PM
>Yes, I guess you can expect that. It's in the nature of the card, not many want it, they don't ship 10 units to every reseller... and the bigger ones probably take (inofficial) preorders anyway.
Well even the MSI 2080 TI are completely unavailable anywhere (at least in Switzerland) cause MSI fuck up big time the production, so i wonder how this one will go
>Yes, I guess you can expect that. It's in the nature of the card, not many want it, they don't ship 10 units to every reseller... and the bigger ones probably take (inofficial) preorders anyway.
Well even the MSI 2080 TI are completely unavailable anywhere (at least in Switzerland) cause MSI fuck up big time the production, so i wonder how this one will go
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Posted on: 01/22/2019 02:15 PM
Powerlimit please for the ln2 bios..
that card has no other purpose
Powerlimit please for the ln2 bios..
that card has no other purpose
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Posted on: 01/22/2019 02:41 PM
Probably, yes.
IMO this card is well worth it just for super high power limit so you'll never have to suffer power throttling (which is very common with 2080Ti) and it also has the best 2080Ti cooler as well.
Probably, yes.
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Posted on: 01/23/2019 06:30 PM
I still can't get my head around the idea that this card is either 1000 pound or 1700 pound.
Same card but 700 pound extra for an OC version lol. sorry for the profanity but really fuckin hell that's a joke right?
Since when are cherry picked chips worth nearly 700 pound more. The difference is about 200mhz over clock or higher clocks.
I still can't get my head around the idea that this card is either 1000 pound or 1700 pound.
Same card but 700 pound extra for an OC version lol. sorry for the profanity but really fuckin hell that's a joke right?
Since when are cherry picked chips worth nearly 700 pound more. The difference is about 200mhz over clock or higher clocks.
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Lovely card...But what about the fans lighing thing once the card is horiziontaly plugged on the MB (normaly with the fans at the bottom).
The "RGB Fans LED effect" will not be directly visible (except if the card is vertically monted with a PCI extender of course).