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We review the new MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Gaming X edition. No-no, you read it right ... the non-Ti version. The new product is more value targeted and sits in NVIDIA's new mainstream line of the GTX 1660 series products. MSI has already factory tweaked the card a notch for you. You get all the good stuff, yet without RTX features and Tensor cores.
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Undying
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:24 PM
590 performance as expected. Not the best but not the worst. Thing is that 580/590 are a two year old hardware.
590 performance as expected. Not the best but not the worst. Thing is that 580/590 are a two year old hardware.
Kaarme
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:31 PM
Aside from the couple of more Nvidia optimised dx11 titles where it showed remarkable performance against AMD, it's indeed as direct an answer to 590 as one could imagine. Over here in my parts these seem slightly less expensive than 590 (like 20 euros), though, which would naturally attract a whole lot of people.
Aside from the couple of more Nvidia optimised dx11 titles where it showed remarkable performance against AMD, it's indeed as direct an answer to 590 as one could imagine. Over here in my parts these seem slightly less expensive than 590 (like 20 euros), though, which would naturally attract a whole lot of people.
warlord
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:35 PM
Hm, not really strong but it is gaming equal or better than furyX/590/980TI.
It loses to 1060 in firestrike. If it doesn't cost less than 220€ then it's a fail.
Hm, not really strong but it is gaming equal or better than furyX/590/980TI.
It loses to 1060 in firestrike. If it doesn't cost less than 220€ then it's a fail.
HardwareCaps
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:38 PM
Hm, not really strong but it is gaming equal or better than furyX/590/980TI.
It loses to 1060 in firestrike. If it doesn't cost less than 220€ then it's a fail.
FS no longer is a good idication for gaming performance. time spy is a lot more modern and uses modern techniques.
Hm, not really strong but it is gaming equal or better than furyX/590/980TI.
It loses to 1060 in firestrike. If it doesn't cost less than 220€ then it's a fail.
FS no longer is a good idication for gaming performance. time spy is a lot more modern and uses modern techniques.
warlord
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:41 PM
Wrong. It means something bad is hidden.
RTX 2070 and up everything is correct.
RTX 2060 and below results are worse.
Something is way off with h/w and drivers.
FS no longer is a good idication for gaming performance. time spy is a lot more modern and uses modern techniques.
Wrong. It means something bad is hidden.
RTX 2070 and up everything is correct.
RTX 2060 and below results are worse.
Something is way off with h/w and drivers.
Undying
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:42 PM
Nvidia at midrange reminds me of AMD in enthusiast range. The same how Radeon VII is competing with two year old 1080ti this 1660 is competing with two year old 580/590.
As for pricing i wonder if the card will really cost 220$. Im sure it will be atleast 20-30$ on top of it for some decent cooling. Dont forget that 580 cost 180$ with some overclock can be fast as 590 and also having more vram.
Nvidia at midrange reminds me of AMD in enthusiast range. The same how Radeon VII is competing with two year old 1080ti this 1660 is competing with two year old 580/590.
As for pricing i wonder if the card will really cost 220$. Im sure it will be atleast 20-30$ on top of it for some decent cooling. Dont forget that 580 cost 180$ with some overclock can be fast as 590 and also having more vram.
HardwareCaps
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:44 PM
Wrong. It means something bad is hidden.
RTX 2070 and up everything is correct.
RTX 2060 and below results are worse.
Something is way off with h/w and drivers.
The fact that some look alright doesn't make the test good. look at TS, where the stack is exactly the avg of all gaming tests.
Wrong. It means something bad is hidden.
RTX 2070 and up everything is correct.
RTX 2060 and below results are worse.
Something is way off with h/w and drivers.
The fact that some look alright doesn't make the test good. look at TS, where the stack is exactly the avg of all gaming tests.
HardwareCaps
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:45 PM
Wrong. It means something bad is hidden.
RTX 2070 and up everything is correct.
RTX 2060 and below results are worse.
Something is way off with h/w and drivers.
same for Superposition. the only test that shows inconsistencies is FS
and it makes sense, FS is pretty old at this point(over 6 years old)
rendering techniques tend to change, just like how now INT operations have become a lot more common in modern games.
Wrong. It means something bad is hidden.
RTX 2070 and up everything is correct.
RTX 2060 and below results are worse.
Something is way off with h/w and drivers.
same for Superposition. the only test that shows inconsistencies is FS
and it makes sense, FS is pretty old at this point(over 6 years old)
rendering techniques tend to change, just like how now INT operations have become a lot more common in modern games.
warlord
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:51 PM
In my country cheapest rtx 2060 is 335€ and cheapest gtx 1660ti is 265€. It's 70€ difference. I wish that 1660 non ti would cost 195€, meaning less than 200€, but it ain't gonna happen, eh.
In my country cheapest rtx 2060 is 335€ and cheapest gtx 1660ti is 265€. It's 70€ difference. I wish that 1660 non ti would cost 195€, meaning less than 200€, but it ain't gonna happen, eh.
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 04:08 PM
The 1660ti is targeting the rx590 in sales as it was released at the same MSRP. AMD began to lower the 590s price just before the 1660ti release. The 1660 is targeting the rx580 at similar MSRP price and again AMD reacted by lowering the 580s price. The Nvidia are cards are faster and more efficient than the AMD counterparts they were originally intended to compete with. All this means is that AMD is biting the bullet to stay relevant vs their Nvidia counterparts. For customers this is a win. For AMD, I doubt they are happy having to settle with much reduced margins for their products. Of course, I am sure they are also trying to reduce stocks to make way for Navi (if expected in July?). So the 1660/1660ti's day in the sun may be brief, only a few months before they are eclipsed by Navi. Which then I suspect the same scenario will be reversed price-wise between the Nvidia and Navi products.
The 1660ti is targeting the rx590 in sales as it was released at the same MSRP. AMD began to lower the 590s price just before the 1660ti release. The 1660 is targeting the rx580 at similar MSRP price and again AMD reacted by lowering the 580s price. The Nvidia are cards are faster and more efficient than the AMD counterparts they were originally intended to compete with. All this means is that AMD is biting the bullet to stay relevant vs their Nvidia counterparts. For customers this is a win. For AMD, I doubt they are happy having to settle with much reduced margins for their products. Of course, I am sure they are also trying to reduce stocks to make way for Navi (if expected in July?). So the 1660/1660ti's day in the sun may be brief, only a few months before they are eclipsed by Navi. Which then I suspect the same scenario will be reversed price-wise between the Nvidia and Navi products.
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 04:21 PM
It is not bad card if one needs low power consumption for small case with weaker PSU. And targeted screen is 1080p.
But if heat/space is not and issue (very few people go for small builds), then RX-580 is better choice. On other hand I would not advise anyone to buy RX-580 today as it is close to being replaced. (Unless other option is to have no GPU... which is not an option.)
Therefore I would not tell anyone to buy GTX 1660 either.
Sad to say: "Wait for Navi." because it has been damn long wait already.
It is not bad card if one needs low power consumption for small case with weaker PSU. And targeted screen is 1080p.
But if heat/space is not and issue (very few people go for small builds), then RX-580 is better choice. On other hand I would not advise anyone to buy RX-580 today as it is close to being replaced. (Unless other option is to have no GPU... which is not an option.)
Therefore I would not tell anyone to buy GTX 1660 either.
Sad to say: "Wait for Navi." because it has been damn long wait already.
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 04:24 PM
Sounds about right. by July Nvidia will already sell thousands of GTX turing and can start offering bundles & discounts if Navi shows up to be really competitive. I think 7nm Turing is coming as early as next year since RTX is not taking off.
The 1660ti is targeting the rx590 in sales as it was released at the same MSRP. AMD began to lower the 590s price just before the 1660ti release. The 1660 is targeting the rx580 at similar MSRP price and again AMD reacted by lowering the 580s price. The Nvidia are cards are faster and more efficient than the AMD counterparts they were originally intended to compete with. All this means is that AMD is biting the bullet to stay relevant vs their Nvidia counterparts. For customers this is a win. For AMD, I doubt they are happy having to settle with much reduced margins for their products. Of course, I am sure they are also trying to reduce stocks to make way for Navi (if expected in July?). So the 1660/1660ti's day in the sun may be brief, only a few months before they are eclipsed by Navi. Which then I suspect the same scenario will be reversed price-wise between the Nvidia and Navi products.
Sounds about right. by July Nvidia will already sell thousands of GTX turing and can start offering bundles & discounts if Navi shows up to be really competitive. I think 7nm Turing is coming as early as next year since RTX is not taking off.
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 04:26 PM
I think 7nm Turing was always coming as early as next year which is why Nvidia released the Ti model with the rest of the series instead of waiting the typical length of time for Ti.
Sounds about right. by July Nvidia will already sell thousands of GTX turing and can start offering bundles & discounts if Navi shows up to be really competitive. I think 7nm Turing is coming as early as next year since RTX is not taking off.
I think 7nm Turing was always coming as early as next year which is why Nvidia released the Ti model with the rest of the series instead of waiting the typical length of time for Ti.
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 04:42 PM
Maybe we will never know, but I think the hate that RTX got coupled with the low RTX sales will definitely accelerate the timeline for Nvidia.
Investors are not remotely pleased about the results lately.
I think 7nm Turing was always coming as early as next year which is why Nvidia released the Ti model with the rest of the series instead of waiting the typical length of time for Ti.
Maybe we will never know, but I think the hate that RTX got coupled with the low RTX sales will definitely accelerate the timeline for Nvidia.
Investors are not remotely pleased about the results lately.
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 04:51 PM
Maybe we will never know, but I think the hate that RTX got coupled with the low RTX sales will definitely accelerate the timeline for Nvidia.
Investors are not remotely pleased about the results lately.
I think 7nm Turing was always coming as early as next year which is why Nvidia released the Ti model with the rest of the series instead of waiting the typical length of time for Ti.
Issue nVidia has is allocation of 7nm production capacity.
Maybe we will never know, but I think the hate that RTX got coupled with the low RTX sales will definitely accelerate the timeline for Nvidia.
Investors are not remotely pleased about the results lately.
I think 7nm Turing was always coming as early as next year which is why Nvidia released the Ti model with the rest of the series instead of waiting the typical length of time for Ti.
Issue nVidia has is allocation of 7nm production capacity.
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 05:04 PM
Srly for a second, I was like, "HH did another 3 reviews of 1660 Ti"? The oh, ok. I see it now. :p
Btw Battlefield V really, really, doesn't like the 980Ti... lol
Srly for a second, I was like, "HH did another 3 reviews of 1660 Ti"? The oh, ok. I see it now. :p
Btw Battlefield V really, really, doesn't like the 980Ti... lol
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 05:08 PM
Exactly my thought on this, once AMD releases Navi they might well again have an advantage in the lower price segment, trumping the 1660/TI at it's price, yet performing on par again, using the same power (7nm), and coming with a game bundle. Or a slightly cheaper AMD card, like you said.
The 1660ti is targeting the rx590 in sales as it was released at the same MSRP. AMD began to lower the 590s price just before the 1660ti release. The 1660 is targeting the rx580 at similar MSRP price and again AMD reacted by lowering the 580s price. The Nvidia are cards are faster and more efficient than the AMD counterparts they were originally intended to compete with. All this means is that AMD is biting the bullet to stay relevant vs their Nvidia counterparts. For customers this is a win. For AMD, I doubt they are happy having to settle with much reduced margins for their products. Of course, I am sure they are also trying to reduce stocks to make way for Navi (if expected in July?). So the 1660/1660ti's day in the sun may be brief, only a few months before they are eclipsed by Navi. Which then I suspect the same scenario will be reversed price-wise between the Nvidia and Navi products.
Exactly my thought on this, once AMD releases Navi they might well again have an advantage in the lower price segment, trumping the 1660/TI at it's price, yet performing on par again, using the same power (7nm), and coming with a game bundle. Or a slightly cheaper AMD card, like you said.
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 05:11 PM
And don't forget you get 3 games worth of $180 for the RX590.
590 performance as expected. Not the best but not the worst. Thing is that 580/590 are a two year old hardware.
And don't forget you get 3 games worth of $180 for the RX590.
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 05:14 PM
I never bought cards because of their game bundle, and to be honest, I never was in the time window to get one either. I missed out on the 1080TI bundle, and with my 2080TI now, I didn't get one either.
Also, to be frank, if the game bundle's my main reason to buy a card, while showing you're probably not as much a hardware enthusiast, you show your gamer heart. Which in itself is a good reason to do it in my opinion
And don't forget you get 3 games worth of $180 for the RX590.
I never bought cards because of their game bundle, and to be honest, I never was in the time window to get one either. I missed out on the 1080TI bundle, and with my 2080TI now, I didn't get one either.
Also, to be frank, if the game bundle's my main reason to buy a card, while showing you're probably not as much a hardware enthusiast, you show your gamer heart. Which in itself is a good reason to do it in my opinion
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 05:28 PM
Will be donating my old pc to the Mrs when i upgrade in the summer. Might replace the 980ti in it for this or the ti version given how close they are at 1080p. Not having such a hot/loud card in the living room, plus a card under warranty and not having to buy another psu could be worth the ~£50 hit in sidegrading.
Will be donating my old pc to the Mrs when i upgrade in the summer. Might replace the 980ti in it for this or the ti version given how close they are at 1080p. Not having such a hot/loud card in the living room, plus a card under warranty and not having to buy another psu could be worth the ~£50 hit in sidegrading.
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 05:54 PM
The performance to price seems good, but it's underwhelming compared to Nvidia's other stuff. Pretty much same wattage as the 1660Ti while being noticeably slower.
This GPU also should've had a 6-pin power connector. There's no need for the 8-pin.
Overall, I'd rather spend the extra $50 and get the 1660Ti.
The performance to price seems good, but it's underwhelming compared to Nvidia's other stuff. Pretty much same wattage as the 1660Ti while being noticeably slower.
This GPU also should've had a 6-pin power connector. There's no need for the 8-pin.
Overall, I'd rather spend the extra $50 and get the 1660Ti.
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 06:20 PM
The performance to price seems good, but it's underwhelming compared to Nvidia's other stuff. Pretty much same wattage as the 1660Ti while being noticeably slower.
This GPU also should've had a 6-pin power connector. There's no need for the 8-pin.
Overall, I'd rather spend the extra $50 and get the 1660Ti.
well for 70$ you get the 2060 over the 1660Ti which is 15% faster and supports RTX....
so 50$ less for 12% less performance isn't that bad. the performance is more than enough for 1080P as well.
The performance to price seems good, but it's underwhelming compared to Nvidia's other stuff. Pretty much same wattage as the 1660Ti while being noticeably slower.
This GPU also should've had a 6-pin power connector. There's no need for the 8-pin.
Overall, I'd rather spend the extra $50 and get the 1660Ti.
well for 70$ you get the 2060 over the 1660Ti which is 15% faster and supports RTX....
so 50$ less for 12% less performance isn't that bad. the performance is more than enough for 1080P as well.
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 06:32 PM
Nvidia launched a product that is in the sweet spot for the price. I think it performs very well for what you pay. At this point I don’t see how AMD can compete at all. Because the 1060 will drop in price to make space for the 1660 and then AMD will have nothing to compete at any of the price brackets... Well done Nvidia... And AMD you better hurry up with Navi...
Nvidia launched a product that is in the sweet spot for the price. I think it performs very well for what you pay. At this point I don’t see how AMD can compete at all. Because the 1060 will drop in price to make space for the 1660 and then AMD will have nothing to compete at any of the price brackets... Well done Nvidia... And AMD you better hurry up with Navi...
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Posted on: 03/14/2019 06:40 PM
It should be a 'lil less. Even 10$ less would make a difference.
It should be a 'lil less. Even 10$ less would make a difference.
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Thanks! as I suspected. pretty much an RX 590 performance for 220$ at 110W.
not a massive leap but it will sell well because it's facing a 3 years old competition at this point.