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MFAA Multi-Frame Samples AA Explored - Guide
Posted by: on: 11/18/2014 11:56 AM [
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We peek at a new anti-aliasing mode that Nvidia has announced and is releasing today. We take a closer look at MFAA or better known as Multi-Frame Samples Anti Aliasing, it offers near MSAA quality with a smaller impact on performance. In this guide the initial steps to get MFAA going and a handful of numbers.
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Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 11/18/2014 12:11 PM
Aah, a CC error from a previous review. I'll update thanks, of course MFAA was done with 2xMSAA+MFAA and is compared with 4xMSAA.
Aah, a CC error from a previous review. I'll update thanks, of course MFAA was done with 2xMSAA+MFAA and is compared with 4xMSAA.
Spets
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Posted on: 11/18/2014 12:25 PM
Thanks for the article Hilbert
Thanks for the article Hilbert
Keesberenburg
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Posted on: 11/18/2014 12:28 PM
Thnx, it works without 2xMSAA in Cod AW.
I hope it works with Far Cry 4
Thnx, it works without 2xMSAA in Cod AW.
I hope it works with Far Cry 4
Anarion
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Posted on: 11/18/2014 12:40 PM
Can't wait to test it!
Can't wait to test it!
Ferrum Master
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Posted on: 11/18/2014 01:27 PM
Moter F***ing AA? xD
Moter F***ing AA? xD
harkinsteven
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Posted on: 11/18/2014 01:36 PM
I think I speak for everyone by asking when is the driver released?
Edit: NVM, I just saw that it's being released today
I think I speak for everyone by asking when is the driver released?
Edit: NVM, I just saw that it's being released today
Santa666
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Posted on: 11/18/2014 01:42 PM
Sounds like a more developed Version of the old Quincunx Anti-Aliasing, waiting for Driver to test it
Sounds like a more developed Version of the old Quincunx Anti-Aliasing, waiting for Driver to test it
Alex13
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Posted on: 11/18/2014 01:56 PM
Now to see on how many games/engines it can be made to actually work
Now to see on how many games/engines it can be made to actually work
Xendance
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Posted on: 11/18/2014 02:02 PM
So how does this compare to TXAA? TXAA also uses the data from previous frames to provide anti-aliasing, how does MFAA differ from that?
Edit: So wait, this is basically boosting the performance of MSAA? Cool.
So how does this compare to TXAA? TXAA also uses the data from previous frames to provide anti-aliasing, how does MFAA differ from that?
Edit: So wait, this is basically boosting the performance of MSAA? Cool.
Denial
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Posted on: 11/18/2014 06:27 PM
Hilbert, given the nature of how MFAA works, did you notice any artifacts when running Crysis 3 @ QHD? I would imagine in low frame rate scenarios that the temporal reprojection would spit out some nasty looking stuff. Kinda curious to know how well of a job nvidia did on blending the two frames together.
Hilbert, given the nature of how MFAA works, did you notice any artifacts when running Crysis 3 @ QHD? I would imagine in low frame rate scenarios that the temporal reprojection would spit out some nasty looking stuff. Kinda curious to know how well of a job nvidia did on blending the two frames together.
heymian
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Posted on: 11/18/2014 06:32 PM
Interesting feature indeed. I've run into the "4x looks better but I want 2x performance" trade off with several games in the past. I may try it with BF4 to see how much my min FPS goes up.
Interesting feature indeed. I've run into the "4x looks better but I want 2x performance" trade off with several games in the past. I may try it with BF4 to see how much my min FPS goes up.
David3k
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Posted on: 11/18/2014 10:57 PM
Anyone remember Temporal AA that ATi had back in the day, or SMAA T2x of recent?
That's all this basically is, a mix of these.
EDIT: Even that whole bit about programmable AA being a foundation of something reads a lot like the ATi article from here, ages ago.
EDIT2:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATi-Radeon-R400-Series
EDIT3: This also explains why the screenshots on the review look like MSAA 2x: because technically, they ARE @ MSAA 2x.
Every frame renders with MSAA 2x, but with alternating patterns between frames. Impossible to capture in standard screenshots.
EDIT4: http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/radeon-x800-pro-amp-xt-%28pe%29,3.html
Anyone remember Temporal AA that ATi had back in the day, or SMAA T2x of recent?
That's all this basically is, a mix of these.
EDIT: Even that whole bit about programmable AA being a foundation of something reads a lot like the ATi article from here, ages ago.
EDIT2:
ATI revealed Temporal Anti-Aliasing, a new anti-aliasing technology their chips were capable of. By taking advantage of the frame-to-eye effects of a framerate higher than 60 frame/s, the GPU is able to better smooth aliased edges by rotating the anti-aliasing sampling pattern between frames. A 2X software setting became perceptively equivalent to 4X.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATi-Radeon-R400-Series
EDIT3: This also explains why the screenshots on the review look like MSAA 2x: because technically, they ARE @ MSAA 2x.
Every frame renders with MSAA 2x, but with alternating patterns between frames. Impossible to capture in standard screenshots.
EDIT4: http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/radeon-x800-pro-amp-xt-%28pe%29,3.html
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 11/19/2014 01:00 AM
No at low framerates the temporal filter will disable itself steering away shimmering and flickering etc.
Hilbert, given the nature of how MFAA works, did you notice any artifacts when running Crysis 3 @ QHD? I would imagine in low frame rate scenarios that the temporal reprojection would spit out some nasty looking stuff. Kinda curious to know how well of a job nvidia did on blending the two frames together.
No at low framerates the temporal filter will disable itself steering away shimmering and flickering etc.
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Posted on: 11/19/2014 01:21 AM
Some reviewer have test it today, recording little parts from AC Unity, put it in movie. the shimmering seems well present ( even with the bad compression they are using )..
No at low framerates the temporal filter will disable itself steering away shimmering and flickering etc.
Some reviewer have test it today, recording little parts from AC Unity, put it in movie. the shimmering seems well present ( even with the bad compression they are using )..
LesserHellspawn
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Posted on: 11/19/2014 08:16 AM
I can see the substantially lower MFAA quality on the comparison screens quite easily. And the FPS hit isn't that crippling either on the two top of the line cads. So for now MFAA seems quite useless. Once the 9x0 cards get dated, or older cards will get access to the mode, it will start to shine.
I can see the substantially lower MFAA quality on the comparison screens quite easily. And the FPS hit isn't that crippling either on the two top of the line cads. So for now MFAA seems quite useless. Once the 9x0 cards get dated, or older cards will get access to the mode, it will start to shine.
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Posted on: 11/19/2014 11:47 AM
EDIT3: This also explains why the screenshots on the review look like MSAA 2x: because technically, they ARE @ MSAA 2x.
Every frame renders with MSAA 2x, but with alternating patterns between frames. Impossible to capture
I noticed this when I first started using MFAA a while back and testing it in BF4.
I took a load of screenies with MSAA, no AA and MFAA+MSAA.
The MFAA ones looked not very impressive, and I was about to conclude it didn't work well..... but then I decided to look in real-time actually in the game. It was then I realised the screenshots were only capturing half of the effect MFAA was producing.
I think this is why some users have used .gifs to show MFAA working.
EDIT3: This also explains why the screenshots on the review look like MSAA 2x: because technically, they ARE @ MSAA 2x.
Every frame renders with MSAA 2x, but with alternating patterns between frames. Impossible to capture
I noticed this when I first started using MFAA a while back and testing it in BF4.
I took a load of screenies with MSAA, no AA and MFAA+MSAA.
The MFAA ones looked not very impressive, and I was about to conclude it didn't work well..... but then I decided to look in real-time actually in the game. It was then I realised the screenshots were only capturing half of the effect MFAA was producing.
I think this is why some users have used .gifs to show MFAA working.
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Posted on: 11/21/2014 08:10 PM
so basically this is the same as AMD's 2EQ AA + MLaa
so basically this is the same as AMD's 2EQ AA + MLaa
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Thanks for the guide/review.
First DSR and now this MFAA. The end of aliasing is near
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