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Retro review: Intel Sandy Bridge Core i7 2600K - 2018 review
Posted by: on: 03/22/2018 09:07 AM [
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It was 2011 when Intel released Sandy Bridge, so we grab Core i7 2600K and revisit it in the year 2018, apply Windows 10 and compare that Core i7 2600K towards Ryzen 1800X and Core i7 8700K through our processor and gaming benchmark paces.
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airbud7
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Posted on: 03/22/2018 06:53 PM
Love you Bro! ...this is best computer hardware forum out there ...I truly love this place...
Thanks Hilbert! ...
I'll send it your way. PM me your info. Do you need some 1866Mhz 8GB x2 ram to go with it?
Love you Bro! ...this is best computer hardware forum out there ...I truly love this place...
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BlackZero
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Posted on: 03/22/2018 07:01 PM
Who cares?...
Don't like what the bar charts tell you, but you like the performance you get with your current hardware? Good--so stop reading the bar-chart, frames-per-second sections in cpu reviews. (Your insecurities are showing...) Sure, you may be right that most people still using older platforms/cpus do indeed OC--but you have forgotten that the same rule applies to people using the latest hardware as well, I guess. So...the approximate performance ratios hold, oc'ing included. I was happy with my FX-8320e for years, but overclocked or not, it is no match for my current R5 1600...(which overclocks to 3.8GHz with a simple multiplier change.)
Still, as HH demonstrated, it's not just the cpu--the entire platform changes when upgrading. The good part of that is the performance increases--the bad part, of course, is the expense. Depending on which cpu you opt for, DDR4 ram can cost as much as the cpu, if not more. But even with older hardware, if you game at decent resolutions like 2560x1440 and up, you are limited to the performance of the GPU and it almost doesn't matter which cpu you use these days--or GPU, for that matter--as performance differences among GPUs at QHD and up are small indeed.
But is ~$600 (for new motherboard, ram, and cpu) really too much to spend on a new computer? Replace just those three components--keep the rest--and a "new computer" is what you get.
As you say, it's really a case of many people here being gaming minded, and so the only real bottleneck is the CPU's ability to feed the latest graphics cards at gaming resolutions, which a 30-40% overclock really should manage to do.
So, well, is spending a minimum of £500 for effectively the same performance really necessary when you're not really concerned with many of the newer platform improvements.
Who cares?...
Don't like what the bar charts tell you, but you like the performance you get with your current hardware? Good--so stop reading the bar-chart, frames-per-second sections in cpu reviews. (Your insecurities are showing...) Sure, you may be right that most people still using older platforms/cpus do indeed OC--but you have forgotten that the same rule applies to people using the latest hardware as well, I guess. So...the approximate performance ratios hold, oc'ing included. I was happy with my FX-8320e for years, but overclocked or not, it is no match for my current R5 1600...(which overclocks to 3.8GHz with a simple multiplier change.)Still, as HH demonstrated, it's not just the cpu--the entire platform changes when upgrading. The good part of that is the performance increases--the bad part, of course, is the expense. Depending on which cpu you opt for, DDR4 ram can cost as much as the cpu, if not more. But even with older hardware, if you game at decent resolutions like 2560x1440 and up, you are limited to the performance of the GPU and it almost doesn't matter which cpu you use these days--or GPU, for that matter--as performance differences among GPUs at QHD and up are small indeed.
But is ~$600 (for new motherboard, ram, and cpu) really too much to spend on a new computer? Replace just those three components--keep the rest--and a "new computer" is what you get.
As you say, it's really a case of many people here being gaming minded, and so the only real bottleneck is the CPU's ability to feed the latest graphics cards at gaming resolutions, which a 30-40% overclock really should manage to do.
So, well, is spending a minimum of £500 for effectively the same performance really necessary when you're not really concerned with many of the newer platform improvements.
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Posted on: 03/22/2018 07:15 PM
As you say, it's really a case of many people here being gaming minded, and so the only real bottleneck is the CPU's ability to feed the latest graphics cards at gaming resolutions, which a 30-40% overclock really should manage to do.
So, well, is spending a minimum of £500 for effectively the same performance really necessary when you're not really concerned with many of the newer platform improvements.
You guys have nearly the same avatar - just 2 frames apart.. I thought walt was responding to himself at first.
As you say, it's really a case of many people here being gaming minded, and so the only real bottleneck is the CPU's ability to feed the latest graphics cards at gaming resolutions, which a 30-40% overclock really should manage to do.
So, well, is spending a minimum of £500 for effectively the same performance really necessary when you're not really concerned with many of the newer platform improvements.
You guys have nearly the same avatar - just 2 frames apart.. I thought walt was responding to himself at first.
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Posted on: 03/22/2018 07:31 PM
me too ...
You guys have nearly the same avatar - just 2 frames apart.. I thought walt was responding to himself at first.
me too ...
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Posted on: 03/22/2018 07:31 PM
An excellent review. I would stress these conclusions: "if you bought a Core i7 2600K back in the days, it probably has been the best investment for a PC you could have possibly made."; "the CPU still is a very capable one"; "The Core i7 2600K will still get the job done and works fine for gaming"
An excellent review. I would stress these conclusions: "if you bought a Core i7 2600K back in the days, it probably has been the best investment for a PC you could have possibly made."; "the CPU still is a very capable one"; "The Core i7 2600K will still get the job done and works fine for gaming"
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Posted on: 03/22/2018 07:37 PM
I honestly wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't pointed that out. But speaking of avatars, are you by chance a fan of Be'lakor? :p
You guys have nearly the same avatar - just 2 frames apart.. I thought walt was responding to himself at first.
I honestly wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't pointed that out. But speaking of avatars, are you by chance a fan of Be'lakor? :p
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Posted on: 03/22/2018 08:00 PM
I wasn't going to quote him at first. :p
You guys have nearly the same avatar - just 2 frames apart.. I thought walt was responding to himself at first.
I wasn't going to quote him at first. :p
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Posted on: 03/22/2018 08:06 PM
This review comes at a really interesting time as I'm actually upgrading my 2600k at the end of the month to a 8700k. My 2600k has been a superb chipset and only until recently have I decided to make the jump. It's been a sufficient workhorse surviving the GPU upgrades which have been alot more frequent from a 7970 to a 295x2 to a 1080ti seahawk x. Agreeing with others in the fact it has been overclocked for a relatively long time at 4.8ghz with memory at stock 1600mhz. 3D Mark scores on Fire Strike Standard on the 1080ti have been just under 18000 which have been more than sufficient. The Asus Maximus IV Gene-Z/Gen3 board has been a beaut and literally hasn't given me any problems for the last 8 years, hence I will be moving on to the Maximus X Hero. Thanks for the great review and I think this has solidified my decision
This review comes at a really interesting time as I'm actually upgrading my 2600k at the end of the month to a 8700k. My 2600k has been a superb chipset and only until recently have I decided to make the jump. It's been a sufficient workhorse surviving the GPU upgrades which have been alot more frequent from a 7970 to a 295x2 to a 1080ti seahawk x. Agreeing with others in the fact it has been overclocked for a relatively long time at 4.8ghz with memory at stock 1600mhz. 3D Mark scores on Fire Strike Standard on the 1080ti have been just under 18000 which have been more than sufficient. The Asus Maximus IV Gene-Z/Gen3 board has been a beaut and literally hasn't given me any problems for the last 8 years, hence I will be moving on to the Maximus X Hero. Thanks for the great review and I think this has solidified my decision
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Posted on: 03/22/2018 08:12 PM
Yep, love em. They are writing their next album now, can't wait to see what they do - I loved vessels.
Honestly it's the perfect time for this article with Ryzen + 6 core parts from Intel coming out. It's like the first time in years CPU's really feel like they are moving forward. Hopefully the trend continues now that AMD is clearly back in it again.
I honestly wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't pointed that out. But speaking of avatars, are you by chance a fan of Be'lakor? :p
Yep, love em. They are writing their next album now, can't wait to see what they do - I loved vessels.
This review comes at a really interesting time as I'm actually upgrading my 2600k at the end of the month to a 8700k. My 2600k has been a superb chipset and only until recently have I decided to make the jump. It's been a sufficient workhorse surviving the GPU upgrades which have been alot more frequent from a 7970 to a 295x2 to a 1080ti seahawk x. Agreeing with others in the fact it has been overclocked for a relatively long time at 4.8ghz with memory at stock 1600mhz. 3D Mark scores on Fire Strike Standard on the 1080ti have been just under 18000 which have been more than sufficient. The Asus Maximus IV Gene-Z/Gen3 board has been a beaut and literally hasn't given me any problems for the last 8 years, hence I will be moving on to the Maximus X Hero. Thanks for the great review and I think this has solidified my decision
Honestly it's the perfect time for this article with Ryzen + 6 core parts from Intel coming out. It's like the first time in years CPU's really feel like they are moving forward. Hopefully the trend continues now that AMD is clearly back in it again.
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Posted on: 03/22/2018 09:26 PM
Seriously you took a cpu sku that had 90% rates of reaching 4.6GHz and can run 2133 / 2400MHz RAM just fine and reviewed it in stock its configuration with 1333MHz ram.
I still have my 2700k running 2400MHz ram and 4.7GHz after all these years in a friend's machine. Still have 2 sata 3 ports, which is good enough for 2 SSDs and requires only fair cooling for that amount of overclock and without the stupidity of the requirement that is delidding.
I disliked this review.
Seriously you took a cpu sku that had 90% rates of reaching 4.6GHz and can run 2133 / 2400MHz RAM just fine and reviewed it in stock its configuration with 1333MHz ram.
I still have my 2700k running 2400MHz ram and 4.7GHz after all these years in a friend's machine. Still have 2 sata 3 ports, which is good enough for 2 SSDs and requires only fair cooling for that amount of overclock and without the stupidity of the requirement that is delidding.
I disliked this review.
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Posted on: 03/22/2018 09:39 PM
Present! Still running a 4.5GHz 2600K which suffers a bit in some games where it even reaches 91/92 degrees but i never put too much time into optimizing my oc, i was pretty satisfied with this performance, especially with the crappy cooler i'm using.
Present! Still running a 4.5GHz 2600K which suffers a bit in some games where it even reaches 91/92 degrees but i never put too much time into optimizing my oc, i was pretty satisfied with this performance, especially with the crappy cooler i'm using.
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Posted on: 03/22/2018 09:49 PM
Is it stock clock? Well, Sandy Bridge were coming significantly underclocked. They can easily work at 40% higher clock at one click. There is no point to compare them on a stock clock. Nobody's using them at stock clock.
Is it stock clock? Well, Sandy Bridge were coming significantly underclocked. They can easily work at 40% higher clock at one click. There is no point to compare them on a stock clock. Nobody's using them at stock clock.
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Posted on: 03/22/2018 10:12 PM
Still running my 2600k at 4.4ghz with 16gb 2133 DDR3. Not upgrading for as long as is possible. It does everything i need. I also feel, in my years of building PC's, the 2600k was the best investment in a cpu i ever made. The longevity of it is astonishing in "PC" years.
Still running my 2600k at 4.4ghz with 16gb 2133 DDR3. Not upgrading for as long as is possible. It does everything i need. I also feel, in my years of building PC's, the 2600k was the best investment in a cpu i ever made. The longevity of it is astonishing in "PC" years.
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Posted on: 03/22/2018 10:17 PM
good stuff hh,think im gonna hold onto this 3770k a weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bit longer
good stuff hh,think im gonna hold onto this 3770k a weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bit longer
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Posted on: 03/22/2018 10:50 PM
Seriously you took a cpu sku that had 90% rates of reaching 4.6GHz and can run 2133 / 2400MHz RAM just fine and reviewed it in stock its configuration with 1333MHz ram.
I still have my 2700k running 2400MHz ram and 4.7GHz after all these years in a friend's machine. Still have 2 sata 3 ports, which is good enough for 2 SSDs and requires only fair cooling for that amount of overclock and without the stupidity of the requirement that is delidding.
I disliked this review.
Post #23 and #53 respectively in previous pages:
Yeah, that was what I wanted to do as extra (tweaking), the H67 board, however, did not allow CPU tweaking. Memory wise I had to choose, either faster 8GB or 16GB reference JEDEC - I really wanted 16GB of memory opposed to some faster 8GB I had sitting there (all dusty btw). Also the H67 mobo had issues with faster memory (which was a normal thing in the pre-XMP days )
Thanks mate, but I've dropped ASUS a note, somebody is looking in the stock keeping trenches right now to see if they can find a P67 or Z68. With a bit of luck, we'll be able to do a proper OC update.
And quote from the Conclusion of the article(first paragraph):
"Our H67 motherboard refused to tweak whatsoever BTW. We'll try and update this article with OC results as we're trying to get a P67/Z68 motherboard for further testing."
Seriously you took a cpu sku that had 90% rates of reaching 4.6GHz and can run 2133 / 2400MHz RAM just fine and reviewed it in stock its configuration with 1333MHz ram.
I still have my 2700k running 2400MHz ram and 4.7GHz after all these years in a friend's machine. Still have 2 sata 3 ports, which is good enough for 2 SSDs and requires only fair cooling for that amount of overclock and without the stupidity of the requirement that is delidding.
I disliked this review.
Post #23 and #53 respectively in previous pages:
Yeah, that was what I wanted to do as extra (tweaking), the H67 board, however, did not allow CPU tweaking. Memory wise I had to choose, either faster 8GB or 16GB reference JEDEC - I really wanted 16GB of memory opposed to some faster 8GB I had sitting there (all dusty btw). Also the H67 mobo had issues with faster memory (which was a normal thing in the pre-XMP days
)Thanks mate, but I've dropped ASUS a note, somebody is looking in the stock keeping trenches right now to see if they can find a P67 or Z68. With a bit of luck, we'll be able to do a proper OC update.
And quote from the Conclusion of the article(first paragraph):
"Our H67 motherboard refused to tweak whatsoever BTW. We'll try and update this article with OC results as we're trying to get a P67/Z68 motherboard for further testing."
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Posted on: 03/23/2018 12:21 AM
Pretty good article, but you really did need to include some major games like BF1 and a couple other CPU heavy games. Testing for FPS stability is also something that could be done.
I'd go with less CPUs to test and more decent firsthand testing with competitors.
I run a 2600K at 4.4 and it has been really good so far. No major complaints. I am not sure I can get more than 4.4 on this card with my mobo. 4.5 seemed a bit too heavy, though it could have been other factors, and this is a 24/7 CPU for me.
I also run 2133 RAM on my mobo. But I do appreciate getting a glimpse of where the 2600K is. It's very apparent it's still a really good CPU to have. For those of us on Win 7 it's also really nice to have.
Pretty good article, but you really did need to include some major games like BF1 and a couple other CPU heavy games. Testing for FPS stability is also something that could be done.
I'd go with less CPUs to test and more decent firsthand testing with competitors.
I run a 2600K at 4.4 and it has been really good so far. No major complaints. I am not sure I can get more than 4.4 on this card with my mobo. 4.5 seemed a bit too heavy, though it could have been other factors, and this is a 24/7 CPU for me.
I also run 2133 RAM on my mobo. But I do appreciate getting a glimpse of where the 2600K is. It's very apparent it's still a really good CPU to have. For those of us on Win 7 it's also really nice to have.
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Posted on: 03/23/2018 12:28 AM
I don't think a test to 4.7 is even remotely close to what normal people will get or what you will get with a totally stable CPU and a decent cooler. With my setup my card seems to like 4.4 over anything else for complete stability. Now .3 GHz isn't really going to get you much, but testing with only a completely stable number is the best thing to do.
I would also test with 2133 RAM, as that is going to be fairly stable and easy to acquire.
Even 4.0 GHz might be a better idea as that is a minimum you would get out of every single card pretty much.
A fair test on a 'k' SKU chip with an extremely high over clocking potential, would have been OC to 4.6-4.7GHz with a decent spec 1866 memory from 2011. This test might as well have been done on a 2600.
I don't think a test to 4.7 is even remotely close to what normal people will get or what you will get with a totally stable CPU and a decent cooler. With my setup my card seems to like 4.4 over anything else for complete stability. Now .3 GHz isn't really going to get you much, but testing with only a completely stable number is the best thing to do.
I would also test with 2133 RAM, as that is going to be fairly stable and easy to acquire.
Even 4.0 GHz might be a better idea as that is a minimum you would get out of every single card pretty much.
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Posted on: 03/23/2018 04:12 AM
I need that board Loop ...member
I had that chip running at 4.5ghz with HT enabled with zero issues.....until the motherboard crapped out. If I remember correctly, I think I even told you I thought the motherboard was faulty. If you stick it on a P67, Z68 or another Z77 board, it should have no issue getting back to 4.5ghz with proper cooling. Just don't use an ASRock Z77 Extreme4.....lol
I need that board Loop ...member
sykozis gave me his 2600k 3 years ago its still in this
ASRock H61ICAFE ....lol ...he said it would do 4.4 all day ...
ASRock H61ICAFE ....lol ...he said it would do 4.4 all day ...
I had that chip running at 4.5ghz with HT enabled with zero issues.....until the motherboard crapped out. If I remember correctly, I think I even told you I thought the motherboard was faulty. If you stick it on a P67, Z68 or another Z77 board, it should have no issue getting back to 4.5ghz with proper cooling. Just don't use an ASRock Z77 Extreme4.....lol
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Posted on: 03/23/2018 04:30 AM
Apparently, I'm one of the lucky ones to have reached more than 4.5ghz on these chips. A budget build with a 2600k, I could see a reason to jump ship. With the right equipment, these chips are still beast..
Apparently, I'm one of the lucky ones to have reached more than 4.5ghz on these chips. A budget build with a 2600k, I could see a reason to jump ship. With the right equipment, these chips are still beast..
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Posted on: 03/23/2018 05:05 AM
My MSI motherboard is decent, but it also may be the issue with overclocking. I just don't really care to mess with it though because it runs 4.4 all day in any game so far. My MSI board is from when their BIOS kind of sucked. Could also be my older cooler, but temps are great at 4.4 so whatevs no big deal to me.
My MSI motherboard is decent, but it also may be the issue with overclocking. I just don't really care to mess with it though because it runs 4.4 all day in any game so far. My MSI board is from when their BIOS kind of sucked. Could also be my older cooler, but temps are great at 4.4 so whatevs no big deal to me.
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Posted on: 03/23/2018 07:09 AM
lol True but we aren't the majority. If we were, then the guru3d clan in games would be huge!!!!!!
Which, we need to get started again in some games....
In Vermintide 2 I do use guru3d Tag, as there tags are based on steam group membership... I think it is good advertising
lol True but we aren't the majority. If we were, then the guru3d clan in games would be huge!!!!!!
Which, we need to get started again in some games....
In Vermintide 2 I do use guru3d Tag, as there tags are based on steam group membership... I think it is good advertising
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Posted on: 03/23/2018 07:11 AM
I love mine 2500k. It just keeps on delivering frames with nice OC. Probably the best consumer CPU, considering price, performance and how long it lasts.
Hope we will see some breakthrough in CPU performance with Zen2 and Intel upcoming Cannonlake.
There no any CPU/Arc that came close to what Sandy Bridge offered. Zen has yet to proof itself.
I love mine 2500k. It just keeps on delivering frames with nice OC. Probably the best consumer CPU, considering price, performance and how long it lasts.
Hope we will see some breakthrough in CPU performance with Zen2 and Intel upcoming Cannonlake.
There no any CPU/Arc that came close to what Sandy Bridge offered. Zen has yet to proof itself.
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Posted on: 03/23/2018 08:43 AM
I'm rocking an AMD Phenom II X4 955 (non-B.E 95watt rev. c3.), Intel Core i7 3770K, Intel Core i7 5960X, Intel Core i7 6900K and a AMD Ryzen 7 1700X and personally I am still very surprised how the old Phenom II holds up in 1440p gaming, I would have though it would be a much larger bottleneck than it' actually is.
I'm rocking an AMD Phenom II X4 955 (non-B.E 95watt rev. c3.), Intel Core i7 3770K, Intel Core i7 5960X, Intel Core i7 6900K and a AMD Ryzen 7 1700X and personally I am still very surprised how the old Phenom II holds up in 1440p gaming, I would have though it would be a much larger bottleneck than it' actually is.
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Posted on: 03/23/2018 09:21 AM
i m still on a i i7 990x (does not reach 4ghz stable, like 3.8max) on x58, and i m thinking to upgrade now just because i changed country and i do not want to unbuild the water cooling and pay a lot of transport to move all the pieces.
i m still on a i i7 990x (does not reach 4ghz stable, like 3.8max) on x58, and i m thinking to upgrade now just because i changed country and i do not want to unbuild the water cooling and pay a lot of transport to move all the pieces.
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Nice review Hilbert, actually, I still have the 2500k running at 4.6GHZ with 24GB memory running at 2200 cas 10 I just ran CPU-z bench I got 1800 multicore and 465 single core performance...