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Intel Core i9 10980XE processor review
Posted by: on: 11/25/2019 09:00 AM [
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In this article, we'll review the all-new 18-core Core i9 10980XE from Intel. Despite many announcements, this is the most versatile (in cores) HEDT processor for the consumer market from intel, the $979 Core i9 10980XE that sits as the flagship processor in the new Cascade lake line of processors.
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kakiharaFRS
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 09:32 AM
speaking for myself but....the reason why I want to change from Z390 are the pcie lanes
which prevent me from using more than 1 nvme (at the loss of 2 sata ports per nvme the cost is too high on PCH lanes)
which prevent me from using my thunderbolt 3 pcie card
which prevent me from using an addon usb ports pcie card
which force me to use pcie x8 speed for my gpu
real case scenario here I have cards taking dust because of my lack of lanes plugging them makes my sata drives disappear (when you run out of lanes they disappear even in the bios it's like they are unplugged)
the 3950x (my mistake at the time) doesn't really fix that it adds if I understood right 4 lanes to Z390 ?! which is still not enough
two possibilities for threadripper, either it's going to suck at gaming like the previous gen, which I expect but very much hope it doesn't or it's going to destroy Intel everywhere
whatever it is I'm ready to pay the TR price I learned with Z390 that my use case is too extreme for a "consumer" setup
+1 on the power consumption, if you use that kind of HW for work then it's your customers who pay the bills or part of them, if not you don't care in the least
speaking for myself but....the reason why I want to change from Z390 are the pcie lanes
which prevent me from using more than 1 nvme (at the loss of 2 sata ports per nvme the cost is too high on PCH lanes)
which prevent me from using my thunderbolt 3 pcie card
which prevent me from using an addon usb ports pcie card
which force me to use pcie x8 speed for my gpu
real case scenario here I have cards taking dust because of my lack of lanes plugging them makes my sata drives disappear (when you run out of lanes they disappear even in the bios it's like they are unplugged)
the 3950x (my mistake at the time) doesn't really fix that it adds if I understood right 4 lanes to Z390 ?! which is still not enough
two possibilities for threadripper, either it's going to suck at gaming like the previous gen, which I expect but very much hope it doesn't or it's going to destroy Intel everywhere
whatever it is I'm ready to pay the TR price I learned with Z390 that my use case is too extreme for a "consumer" setup
+1 on the power consumption, if you use that kind of HW for work then it's your customers who pay the bills or part of them, if not you don't care in the least
wavetrex
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 09:34 AM
"More cores, more secure, faster, stronger."
"Cheaper"
Should have been enough.
But not cheap enough... unfortunately.
Especially when considering total platform cost.
"More cores, more secure, faster, stronger."
"Cheaper"
Should have been enough.
But not cheap enough... unfortunately.
Especially when considering total platform cost.
kanenas
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 09:57 AM
Not bad. Not bad at all. Performs pretty damn well in games and since all those graphs are stock, this will be a beast when overclocked. Besides, who's gonna buy one of these and not overclock it? Also a person overclocking one of these is not gonna give s rat's buttcheeks about power consumption.
Maybe I should upgrade my Core i9 7980xe for this but... I liquid metal'd my 7980xe.
Not bad. Not bad at all. Performs pretty damn well in games and since all those graphs are stock, this will be a beast when overclocked. Besides, who's gonna buy one of these and not overclock it? Also a person overclocking one of these is not gonna give s rat's buttcheeks about power consumption.
Maybe I should upgrade my Core i9 7980xe for this but... I liquid metal'd my 7980xe.
Final words & conclusion
Of course, you will not be purchasing an 18-core processor to play games, that would be ludicrous
Conclusion
The biggest competitor for the Core i9 10980XE is not at all Threadripper 3000 as you'll find out later today
Of course, you will not be purchasing an 18-core processor to play games, that would be ludicrous
Conclusion
The biggest competitor for the Core i9 10980XE is not at all Threadripper 3000 as you'll find out later today
rl66
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 10:00 AM
"Cheaper"
Should have been enough.
But not cheap enough... unfortunately.
Especially when considering total platform cost.
This CPU's price is at the price of the AMD 3900x + X570 + NVMe 1To that i have just paid.
My new CPU look really good in bench compared to this one despite having less core (wich confirm my 1st feeling about it, coming from dual Xeon)
Comparing AMD's mainstream to Intel's high end is not good to Intel at all, even more with the old chipset used in 2066...
So yes, i agree with you, this is a good CPU for upgrade a 2066, but way too expensive.
"Cheaper"
Should have been enough.
But not cheap enough... unfortunately.
Especially when considering total platform cost.
This CPU's price is at the price of the AMD 3900x + X570 + NVMe 1To that i have just paid.
My new CPU look really good in bench compared to this one despite having less core (wich confirm my 1st feeling about it, coming from dual Xeon)
Comparing AMD's mainstream to Intel's high end is not good to Intel at all, even more with the old chipset used in 2066...
So yes, i agree with you, this is a good CPU for upgrade a 2066, but way too expensive.
wavetrex
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 10:09 AM
Finished reading the entire review, and also some youtube videos.
Oh boy Threadripper 3000 is going to demolish this so hard...
Finished reading the entire review, and also some youtube videos.
Oh boy Threadripper 3000 is going to demolish this so hard...
rl66
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 10:10 AM
Maybe I should upgrade my Core i9 7980xe for this but... I liquid metal'd my 7980xe.
Well, this is not a problem
-if delited your spacer won't fit the new CPU in 90% of the case: remove the spacer+CPU+(water or air) cooler and make someone happy with it (and get his money too
)
-if delited with normal IHS (btw: NEVER use copper one like you found on the net, copper is worse than actual used by Intel, it's only to milk people) then it's like a normal CPU (but then liquid metal benefit is lost)
Maybe I should upgrade my Core i9 7980xe for this but... I liquid metal'd my 7980xe.
Well, this is not a problem
-if delited your spacer won't fit the new CPU in 90% of the case: remove the spacer+CPU+(water or air) cooler and make someone happy with it (and get his money too
)-if delited with normal IHS (btw: NEVER use copper one like you found on the net, copper is worse than actual used by Intel, it's only to milk people) then it's like a normal CPU (but then liquid metal benefit is lost)
mackintosh
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 10:26 AM
I haven't been this underwhelmed since Sandy Bridge.
I haven't been this underwhelmed since Sandy Bridge.
Kaarme
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 11:17 AM
Including the price cut, this feels like a product release Intel did to buy some time until they can get a new architecture out. This should be of interest to some with the massively cut price, but all in all the results are kind of lackluster.
Including the price cut, this feels like a product release Intel did to buy some time until they can get a new architecture out. This should be of interest to some with the massively cut price, but all in all the results are kind of lackluster.
bagrata
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 11:29 AM
seriously wtf?
it barely beats 3950X with 2 more cores and even loses in some tests
seriously wtf?
it barely beats 3950X with 2 more cores and even loses in some tests
BLEH!
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 11:51 AM
I can't see why anyone would go for this over the 3950X, it's cheaper, in most cases, faster, draws less power, cheaper motherboard, newer PCIe tech...
I can't see why anyone would go for this over the 3950X, it's cheaper, in most cases, faster, draws less power, cheaper motherboard, newer PCIe tech...
kanenas
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 11:59 AM
Vtech
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 12:13 PM
I don't think this deserves the "Recommended" badge, not because its a bad product but because there is better.
I don't think this deserves the "Recommended" badge, not because its a bad product but because there is better.
nizzen
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 12:23 PM
Error 404
Error 404
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 12:39 PM
Hmmm? On the website?
Error 404
Hmmm? On the website?
dirtm
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 12:47 PM
The clue might be in the opening paragraph.
I don't think this deserves the "Recommended" badge, not because its a bad product but because there is better.
The clue might be in the opening paragraph.
kakiharaFRS
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 01:06 PM
nice wording from Hilbert it hints at things without saying anything precise so we are still left wondering
please be better than the previous TR at gaming please please please, daddy wants a TRX40 motherboard
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Creator-TRX40
like SNL Stefon would say "this has everything"
(except TB3)
The clue might be in the opening paragraph.
nice wording from Hilbert it hints at things without saying anything precise so we are still left wondering
please be better than the previous TR at gaming please please please, daddy wants a TRX40 motherboard
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Creator-TRX40
like SNL Stefon would say "this has everything"
(except TB3)
fantaskarsef
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 01:12 PM
Honestly, I don't share the "recommended" opinion either, but to read into it that @Hilbert Hagedoorn is giving away that sticker simply because he got some help on Intel's side is pretty daring.
I believe he has a reasoning for this in some way, I did not read the article fully (just graph scanning), but what you two say is that it's a paid review, which I honestly doubt. Let alone the personal insult a professional journalist might see in it.
Honestly, I don't share the "recommended" opinion either, but to read into it that @Hilbert Hagedoorn is giving away that sticker simply because he got some help on Intel's side is pretty daring.
I believe he has a reasoning for this in some way, I did not read the article fully (just graph scanning), but what you two say is that it's a paid review, which I honestly doubt. Let alone the personal insult a professional journalist might see in it.
Dwwolf
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 01:36 PM
Integrity would have been waiting a few hours and releasing both tests together......
Integrity would have been waiting a few hours and releasing both tests together......
kakiharaFRS
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 01:40 PM
just watched Linus, he destroys the Intel
I'll resume the review for people who don't have time to watch
"Intel, we strongly dislike your childish marketing tactic of lifting the embargo just before AMD does...you cowards"
"the hardware mitigation of security flaws seems to have a noticeable performance hit"
from my perspective it's a Z390+ with nvme and pcie slots you can actually use, that's not a "bad" product per say, I would maybe have considered it if it came with pcie 4.0 10gbe more lanes etc but compared to the TRX40 or X570 motherboards Intel is obsolete
@Dwwwolf : not in this world, like vultures or sharks lol people really interested on those products want to know everything asap
just watched Linus, he destroys the Intel
I'll resume the review for people who don't have time to watch"Intel, we strongly dislike your childish marketing tactic of lifting the embargo just before AMD does...you cowards"
"the hardware mitigation of security flaws seems to have a noticeable performance hit"
from my perspective it's a Z390+ with nvme and pcie slots you can actually use, that's not a "bad" product per say, I would maybe have considered it if it came with pcie 4.0 10gbe more lanes etc but compared to the TRX40 or X570 motherboards Intel is obsolete
@Dwwwolf : not in this world, like vultures or sharks lol people really interested on those products want to know everything asap
Abc666
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 01:41 PM
You have to be special to buy this over the Ryzen 3950X or the Threadripper 3000.
Amazing to see how AMD's mainstream can easily go up against intels top of the line HEDT.
TR3 is going to rip Intel's entire HEDT apart.
You have to be special to buy this over the Ryzen 3950X or the Threadripper 3000.
Amazing to see how AMD's mainstream can easily go up against intels top of the line HEDT.
TR3 is going to rip Intel's entire HEDT apart.
dirtm
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 01:41 PM
Honestly, I don't share the "recommended" opinion either, but to read into it that @Hilbert Hagedoorn is giving away that sticker simply because he got some help on Intel's side is pretty daring.
I believe he has a reasoning for this in some way, I did not read the article fully (just graph scanning), but what you two say is that it's a paid review, which I honestly doubt. Let alone the personal insult a professional journalist might see in it.
I would highly doubt this is paid review, I wouldn't speculate as such in this case. Intel's behavior has put journalists in an incredibility tough position. Hilbert has the option of copping a tad of criticism for the "recommended" badge, or possibility never seeing another chip before launch. Who knows maybe the TR will get the badge too.
Honestly, I don't share the "recommended" opinion either, but to read into it that @Hilbert Hagedoorn is giving away that sticker simply because he got some help on Intel's side is pretty daring.
I believe he has a reasoning for this in some way, I did not read the article fully (just graph scanning), but what you two say is that it's a paid review, which I honestly doubt. Let alone the personal insult a professional journalist might see in it.
I would highly doubt this is paid review, I wouldn't speculate as such in this case. Intel's behavior has put journalists in an incredibility tough position. Hilbert has the option of copping a tad of criticism for the "recommended" badge, or possibility never seeing another chip before launch. Who knows maybe the TR will get the badge too.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 01:44 PM
Honestly, I don't share the "recommended" opinion either, but to read into it that @Hilbert Hagedoorn is giving away that sticker simply because he got some help on Intel's side is pretty daring.
I believe he has a reasoning for this in some way, I did not read the article fully (just graph scanning), but what you two say is that it's a paid review, which I honestly doubt. Let alone the personal insult a professional journalist might see in it.
I see what you are trying to insinuate there, that is a little far fetched man. No, on this forums you all now it, there are pro-Intel and pro-AMD users and the two do not mix well. Every time I post an intel review, the pro-AMD team will give me crap and vice versa. Intel has not done anything else other than providing a sample so I really do not appreciate the suggestive remark you make there. There is little wrong with the 10980XE for the team Intel end-user. I mean prices got slashed in half, it is a notch faster compared to last gen, has been vulnerability hardened, offers good game performance and has 18-cores at pretty snazzy temps. So for that Intel aficionado, I can certainly recommend this processor if you need that many cores. A recommended award is, however, the lowest in the stack of our awards.
The proc is, in fact, competing with 3950X, which has two cores less and 250 bucks cheaper, and guess what, that one received a Top pick award. So let's not get blinded and throw around weird excuses over an award, shall we? As I get the feeling you don't want to see that ward, just because it's Intel? It is a good proc and a solid platform at a price that is half of what it could have been. But anyone can see that AMD is shaking and rattling all cages in the market.
Honestly, I don't share the "recommended" opinion either, but to read into it that @Hilbert Hagedoorn is giving away that sticker simply because he got some help on Intel's side is pretty daring.
I believe he has a reasoning for this in some way, I did not read the article fully (just graph scanning), but what you two say is that it's a paid review, which I honestly doubt. Let alone the personal insult a professional journalist might see in it.
I see what you are trying to insinuate there, that is a little far fetched man. No, on this forums you all now it, there are pro-Intel and pro-AMD users and the two do not mix well. Every time I post an intel review, the pro-AMD team will give me crap and vice versa. Intel has not done anything else other than providing a sample so I really do not appreciate the suggestive remark you make there. There is little wrong with the 10980XE for the team Intel end-user. I mean prices got slashed in half, it is a notch faster compared to last gen, has been vulnerability hardened, offers good game performance and has 18-cores at pretty snazzy temps. So for that Intel aficionado, I can certainly recommend this processor if you need that many cores. A recommended award is, however, the lowest in the stack of our awards.
The proc is, in fact, competing with 3950X, which has two cores less and 250 bucks cheaper, and guess what, that one received a Top pick award. So let's not get blinded and throw around weird excuses over an award, shall we? As I get the feeling you don't want to see that ward, just because it's Intel? It is a good proc and a solid platform at a price that is half of what it could have been. But anyone can see that AMD is shaking and rattling all cages in the market.
fantaskarsef
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 01:50 PM
I would highly doubt this is paid review, I wouldn't speculate as such in this case. Intel's behavior has put journalists in an incredibility tough position. Hilbert has the option of copping a tad of criticism for the "recommended" badge, or possibility never seeing another chip before launch. Who knows maybe the TR will get the badge too.
I see what you are trying to insinuate there, that is a little far fetched man. No, on this forums you all now it, there are pro-Intel and pro-AMD users and the two do not mix well. Every time I post an intel review, the pro-AMD team will give me crap and vice versa. intel has not done anything else other than providing a sample. There is little wrong with the 10980XE for the team Intel end-user. I mean prices got slashed in half, it is a notch faster compared to last gen, has been vulnerability hardened, offers good game performance and has 18-cores at pretty snazzy temps. So for that Intel aficionado, I can certainly recommend this processor if you need that many cores. A recommended award is, however, the lowest in the stack of our awards.
The proc is, in fact, competing with 3950X, which has two cores less and 250 bucks cheaper, and guess what, that one received a Top pick award. So let's not get blinded and throw around weird excuses over an award, shall we? As I get the feeling you don't want to see that ward, just because it's Intel? It is a good proc and a solid platform at a price that is half of what it could have been. But anyone can see that AMD is shaking and rattling all cages in the market.
I honestly think you two got me wrong there: I tried to say, I doubt it's a paid review, speaking against the two posts before mine. Actually I wanted to advertise my opinion that this site is not biased or bought with simple sample handouts.
My comment on the recommended badge showed that while I disagree (I would not recommend this processor or the platform at all), still doesn't make me think this is a bad or bought review.
I would highly doubt this is paid review, I wouldn't speculate as such in this case. Intel's behavior has put journalists in an incredibility tough position. Hilbert has the option of copping a tad of criticism for the "recommended" badge, or possibility never seeing another chip before launch. Who knows maybe the TR will get the badge too.
I see what you are trying to insinuate there, that is a little far fetched man. No, on this forums you all now it, there are pro-Intel and pro-AMD users and the two do not mix well. Every time I post an intel review, the pro-AMD team will give me crap and vice versa. intel has not done anything else other than providing a sample. There is little wrong with the 10980XE for the team Intel end-user. I mean prices got slashed in half, it is a notch faster compared to last gen, has been vulnerability hardened, offers good game performance and has 18-cores at pretty snazzy temps. So for that Intel aficionado, I can certainly recommend this processor if you need that many cores. A recommended award is, however, the lowest in the stack of our awards.
The proc is, in fact, competing with 3950X, which has two cores less and 250 bucks cheaper, and guess what, that one received a Top pick award. So let's not get blinded and throw around weird excuses over an award, shall we? As I get the feeling you don't want to see that ward, just because it's Intel? It is a good proc and a solid platform at a price that is half of what it could have been. But anyone can see that AMD is shaking and rattling all cages in the market.
I honestly think you two got me wrong there: I tried to say, I doubt it's a paid review, speaking against the two posts before mine. Actually I wanted to advertise my opinion that this site is not biased or bought with simple sample handouts.
My comment on the recommended badge showed that while I disagree (I would not recommend this processor or the platform at all), still doesn't make me think this is a bad or bought review.
fantaskarsef
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Posted on: 11/25/2019 01:53 PM
This honestly has nothing to do with integrity. On the net, the early bird gets the clicks, and the release time doesn't change what's written in there anyway.
Integrity would have been waiting a few hours and releasing both tests together......
This honestly has nothing to do with integrity. On the net, the early bird gets the clicks, and the release time doesn't change what's written in there anyway.
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Not bad. Not bad at all. Performs pretty damn well in games and since all those graphs are stock, this will be a beast when overclocked. Besides, who's gonna buy one of these and not overclock it? Also a person overclocking one of these is not gonna give s rat's buttcheeks about power consumption.
Maybe I should upgrade my Core i9 7980xe for this but... I liquid metal'd my 7980xe.