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Guru3D Winter 2019 PC Buyer Guide
Posted by: on: 12/09/2019 12:48 PM [
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It's 'that' time of year again, when we emerge from the maelstrom that was the end of 2019. This article has been in the works for a fair while but we wanted to wait, see and respond to the developments of AMD, Intel and NVIDIA, the events in Q3/Q4 have led to significant revisions over the course of the last 6 to 8 or so weeks.
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XenthorX
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Posted on: 12/09/2019 02:27 PM
The Mid-Range build is excellent. You would have asked me 5years ago, i would have said AMD was done. Boy was i wrong.
The Mid-Range build is excellent. You would have asked me 5years ago, i would have said AMD was done. Boy was i wrong.
wavetrex
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Posted on: 12/09/2019 02:58 PM
Short version: Buy AMD.
Short version: Buy AMD.
fry178
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Posted on: 12/09/2019 05:33 PM
Great job HH, guide kinda needed a refresh.
Considering the Deepcool with its anti-leak, when someone like Corsair covers all hardware that gets damaged if the aio fails, i dont know.
Sure, its the same asetek stuff (pump design etc),
But at least i get the money to replace any broken parts,
which Deepcool/others dont offer (afaik).
Great job HH, guide kinda needed a refresh.
Considering the Deepcool with its anti-leak, when someone like Corsair covers all hardware that gets damaged if the aio fails, i dont know.
Sure, its the same asetek stuff (pump design etc),
But at least i get the money to replace any broken parts,
which Deepcool/others dont offer (afaik).
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 12/09/2019 06:08 PM
Guys, Raffaele is writing these fantastic guides, not me.
Great job HH, guide inda needed a refresh.
Guys, Raffaele is writing these fantastic guides, not me.
Embra
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Posted on: 12/09/2019 07:20 PM
Good job Raffaele!
Good job to you HH in General!
Good job Raffaele!
Good job to you HH in General!
fry178
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Posted on: 12/09/2019 07:23 PM
@hh
and i thought i overlooked that, but "..By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 12/09/2019.."
so @Raffaele
good job
@hh
and i thought i overlooked that, but "..By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 12/09/2019.."
so @Raffaele
good job
Moto_Life
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Posted on: 12/09/2019 08:23 PM
Surprised the new gen 4 corsair MP600 m.2 didnt make it into the high end or over kill builds.
Surprised the new gen 4 corsair MP600 m.2 didnt make it into the high end or over kill builds.
Goiur
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Posted on: 12/09/2019 08:28 PM
Great job hiring Raffaele :p
Nice job Raffaele !
Guys, Raffaele is writing these fantastic guides, not me.
Great job hiring Raffaele :p
Nice job Raffaele !
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 12/10/2019 08:11 AM
You're referring to the news-item, not the article
and i thought i overlooked that, but "..By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 12/09/2019.."
You're referring to the news-item, not the article
fantaskarsef
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Posted on: 12/10/2019 08:29 AM
Too bad the writers of such guides don't regularly show their popular faces in the forums, or do they and I just miss it?
Good guide, I wish I had something like this when I started building my own rigs some two decades ago!
Too bad the writers of such guides don't regularly show their popular faces in the forums, or do they and I just miss it?
Good guide, I wish I had something like this when I started building my own rigs some two decades ago!
anticupidon
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Posted on: 12/10/2019 08:43 AM
Someday, we want to see/know who is now behind Guru3D team.
So many new names, vast majority thinks that HH is one man orchestra (and for sure he is).
Someday, we want to see/know who is now behind Guru3D team.
So many new names, vast majority thinks that HH is one man orchestra (and for sure he is).
Goiur
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Posted on: 12/10/2019 09:15 AM
Someday, we want to see/know who is now behind Guru3D team.
So many new names, vast majority thinks that HH is one man orchestra (and for sure he is).
Nah! HH is living the life in the Bahamas, remotely controlling his huge business and fortune.
Someday, we want to see/know who is now behind Guru3D team.
So many new names, vast majority thinks that HH is one man orchestra (and for sure he is).
Nah! HH is living the life in the Bahamas, remotely controlling his huge business and fortune.
anticupidon
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Posted on: 12/10/2019 09:20 AM
Yeah, right!
HH being the perfectionist, will want to be right at the command center.
Yeah, right!
HH being the perfectionist, will want to be right at the command center.
Passus
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Posted on: 12/10/2019 11:07 AM
FYI you cannot flash RX 5700s that have only 1 x 8 pin power port
FYI you cannot flash RX 5700s that have only 1 x 8 pin power port
asturur
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Posted on: 12/10/2019 11:36 AM
Great job HH, guide kinda needed a refresh.
Considering the Deepcool with its anti-leak, when someone like Corsair covers all hardware that gets damaged if the aio fails, i dont know.
Sure, its the same asetek stuff (pump design etc),
But at least i get the money to replace any broken parts,
which Deepcool/others dont offer (afaik).
I had a crappy custom built loop.
Unless it is filled with wrong liquid that can conduct electricity, generally a leak is not fatal.
You get there is a leak because the temps goes up since the water is coming out.
The distilled water does not conduct electricy easily.
Great job HH, guide kinda needed a refresh.
Considering the Deepcool with its anti-leak, when someone like Corsair covers all hardware that gets damaged if the aio fails, i dont know.
Sure, its the same asetek stuff (pump design etc),
But at least i get the money to replace any broken parts,
which Deepcool/others dont offer (afaik).
I had a crappy custom built loop.
Unless it is filled with wrong liquid that can conduct electricity, generally a leak is not fatal.
You get there is a leak because the temps goes up since the water is coming out.
The distilled water does not conduct electricy easily.
beedoo
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Posted on: 12/10/2019 01:09 PM
A good read.
The only thing that irks me is the RAM. From the mainstream build upwards, 3600MHz CL16 seems to be the go.
There are numerous places I can order RAM from in Australia, and two of them (that can be driven to) sell literally dozens of kits. At one of those outlets, only one kit appears to be 3600C16 and that's a 4 x 16GB G.Skill Neo RGB kit @ AU$699. Almost all G.Skill and Dominator Platinum kits outside of this are CL18.
Out of the 27 x 3200MHz kits, two were CL15 and the rest were CL16.
I actually picked up 64GB 3200 CL16 Dominator Platinum RAM (AU$800) - which according to Thaiphoon Burner is B-die, but everything I've subsequently read says these are trash kits... So I feel pretty good about this purchase.
RAM can have a noteworthy effect on game performance - to the effect of several FPS, so it's annoying that to get low latency kits we have to order from Amazon US or NewEgg.
A good read.
The only thing that irks me is the RAM. From the mainstream build upwards, 3600MHz CL16 seems to be the go.
There are numerous places I can order RAM from in Australia, and two of them (that can be driven to) sell literally dozens of kits. At one of those outlets, only one kit appears to be 3600C16 and that's a 4 x 16GB G.Skill Neo RGB kit @ AU$699. Almost all G.Skill and Dominator Platinum kits outside of this are CL18.
Out of the 27 x 3200MHz kits, two were CL15 and the rest were CL16.
I actually picked up 64GB 3200 CL16 Dominator Platinum RAM (AU$800) - which according to Thaiphoon Burner is B-die, but everything I've subsequently read says these are trash kits... So I feel pretty good about this purchase.
RAM can have a noteworthy effect on game performance - to the effect of several FPS, so it's annoying that to get low latency kits we have to order from Amazon US or NewEgg.
fantaskarsef
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Posted on: 12/10/2019 01:21 PM
@Hilbert Hagedoorn in the good guide: page 2 ("Computer Jargon"), in the first table the builds are named differently than they are in the later parts of the article (or site links). Not sure if that's a bug or intended, since I always liked the "nibble, bite, megabite" naming.
@Hilbert Hagedoorn in the good guide: page 2 ("Computer Jargon"), in the first table the builds are named differently than they are in the later parts of the article (or site links). Not sure if that's a bug or intended, since I always liked the "nibble, bite, megabite" naming.
fry178
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Posted on: 12/10/2019 05:33 PM
@beedoo
dont worry about cl.
i have 3600/18/1T, and it gets same almost perf than the 3200/14/2T i installed in a different rig (but same cpu/gpu).
not something i would worry about, as long as its 3600.
@hh
im getting old. guess i should have seen it more than once, reading guru for 20y, lol.
@beedoo
dont worry about cl.
i have 3600/18/1T, and it gets same almost perf than the 3200/14/2T i installed in a different rig (but same cpu/gpu).
not something i would worry about, as long as its 3600.
@hh
im getting old. guess i should have seen it more than once, reading guru for 20y, lol.
Dragam1337
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Posted on: 12/11/2019 12:20 AM
@beedoo
dont worry about cl.
i have 3600/18/1T, and it gets same almost perf than the 3200/14/2T i installed in a different rig (but same cpu/gpu).
not something i would worry about, as long as its 3600.
@hh
im getting old. guess i should have seen it more than once, reading guru for 20y, lol.
It obviously only makes a difference when you are cpu bottlenecked -_-'
@beedoo
dont worry about cl.
i have 3600/18/1T, and it gets same almost perf than the 3200/14/2T i installed in a different rig (but same cpu/gpu).
not something i would worry about, as long as its 3600.
@hh
im getting old. guess i should have seen it more than once, reading guru for 20y, lol.
It obviously only makes a difference when you are cpu bottlenecked -_-'
fry178
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Posted on: 12/11/2019 04:51 AM
at least for ryzen not really.
went thru a couple oc oc/reviews and 3200CL16 ram will behave like 3600CL18,
except IF will clock at 1800 not just 1600.
and especially when it comes to ryzen 3xxx chips, i would give IF clocks priority
(which most here will get on med/higher rig)
at least for ryzen not really.
went thru a couple oc oc/reviews and 3200CL16 ram will behave like 3600CL18,
except IF will clock at 1800 not just 1600.
and especially when it comes to ryzen 3xxx chips, i would give IF clocks priority
(which most here will get on med/higher rig)
darkdrone48
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Posted on: 12/11/2019 08:50 AM
while the list is pretty good guide, next year brings a new Intel CPU and a new Nvidia GPU,I can't justify spending 2500$ AUD on old tech,I'll wait until after the new year, when all those RTX2070S find their way to Ebay and possibly a price reduction for the Radeon 5700 XT,when the new Nvidia cards come out. Ryzen 7 is way out of my budget
At the moment I've spent over 1000$ AUD going to SSD's ( 4 x 1 TB ) annnd i need a new case,NZXT is on my wish list....bills bills bills
while the list is pretty good guide, next year brings a new Intel CPU and a new Nvidia GPU,I can't justify spending 2500$ AUD on old tech,I'll wait until after the new year, when all those RTX2070S find their way to Ebay and possibly a price reduction for the Radeon 5700 XT,when the new Nvidia cards come out. Ryzen 7 is way out of my budget
At the moment I've spent over 1000$ AUD going to SSD's ( 4 x 1 TB ) annnd i need a new case,NZXT is on my wish list....bills bills bills
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 12/11/2019 08:55 AM
Each year there's always something new mate.
next year brings a new Intel CPU and a new Nvidia GPU,I can't justify spending 2500$ AUD
Each year there's always something new mate.
wavetrex
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Posted on: 12/11/2019 09:36 AM
Except that 2080 Ti is last year...
So really nothing "new" this year from NV (Super versions are just refreshes, it's what the originals should have been in terms of performance bumps and prices... which are still too much, one year later)
Each year there's always something new mate.
Except that 2080 Ti is last year...
So really nothing "new" this year from NV (Super versions are just refreshes, it's what the originals should have been in terms of performance bumps and prices... which are still too much, one year later)
fantaskarsef
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Posted on: 12/11/2019 09:41 AM
Except that 2080 Ti is last year...
So really nothing "new" this year from NV (Super versions are just refreshes, it's what the originals should have been in terms of performance bumps and prices... which are still too much, one year later)
While true... something means something.
Each year there's always something new mate.
Except that 2080 Ti is last year...
So really nothing "new" this year from NV (Super versions are just refreshes, it's what the originals should have been in terms of performance bumps and prices... which are still too much, one year later)
While true... something means something.
Each year there's always something new mate.
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My oh my, how fierce the battle is!
The High-End Gaming from 2018 was a battle between AMD Ryzen R7 2700X and Intel's i7 8700k, but this year is 3700X vs 9700K.
Below that AMD is leading, and in the HEDT well, I'll leave you to hear Intel screaming undet Threadripper's blows.