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Guru3D PC Buyers Guide Spring 2018
Posted by: on: 03/28/2018 01:47 PM [
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This is the 2018 Spring Edition of th Guru3D Buyers Guide. In this article, we outline a set of recommendations for products we feel are great components to build yourself a nice gaming rig. We have four different system recommendations and something special to choose from so read all out it after the break.
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Blackcart
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Posted on: 03/28/2018 02:46 PM
Im running 3770 , Fury X and 8GB 1800 DDR3 , 128gb ssd RAID, 10TB space and an HX850i
smooth
Im running 3770 , Fury X and 8GB 1800 DDR3 , 128gb ssd RAID, 10TB space and an HX850i
smooth
H83
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Posted on: 03/28/2018 02:50 PM
Very nice guide. It´s funny to notice that my rig is a mix of mainstream, high end and enthusiast parts... Fortunately it does the required job (gaming) extremely well so no problem.
Now how i just have to find the source of some very irritating clicking sounds inside my case...
Very nice guide. It´s funny to notice that my rig is a mix of mainstream, high end and enthusiast parts... Fortunately it does the required job (gaming) extremely well so no problem.
Now how i just have to find the source of some very irritating clicking sounds inside my case...
Jagman
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Posted on: 03/28/2018 02:58 PM
My system is a 'Nibble Byte' then
My system is a 'Nibble Byte' then
schmidtbag
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Posted on: 03/28/2018 03:43 PM
Except for the Megaton, I pretty much would've picked all of the same exact things for everything else, especially when considering current prices.
My rig is like a "super-Nibble", but definitely below the Byte.
Except for the Megaton, I pretty much would've picked all of the same exact things for everything else, especially when considering current prices.
My rig is like a "super-Nibble", but definitely below the Byte.
tensai28
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Posted on: 03/28/2018 05:11 PM
Not sure where my rig falls.
Not sure where my rig falls.
StewieTech
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Posted on: 03/28/2018 05:29 PM
Im fine with my rig. Yeah is average and showing some age, but it does the ocasional gaming just fine.
Im fine with my rig. Yeah is average and showing some age, but it does the ocasional gaming just fine.
Solfaur
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Posted on: 03/28/2018 05:31 PM
Nice guide! Too bad we're still in the middle of the worst time to build a new PC, due to inflated prices on several components but of course especially GPUs.
ops:
Nice guide! Too bad we're still in the middle of the worst time to build a new PC, due to inflated prices on several components but of course especially GPUs.
ops:
Kaarme
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Posted on: 03/28/2018 06:17 PM
I don't feel envious of anyone trying to write a PC building guide right now, with the video card and RAM prices so unrealistic. Otherwise it should have been nice with the CPU side finally having choices again, not only Intel like it was for years.
I don't feel envious of anyone trying to write a PC building guide right now, with the video card and RAM prices so unrealistic. Otherwise it should have been nice with the CPU side finally having choices again, not only Intel like it was for years.
schmidtbag
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Posted on: 03/28/2018 06:35 PM
Well for budget builds and enthusiast builds, prices are reasonable. It's everything in between that's terrible. Unfortunately, the in-between is what most people want.
At least RAM prices seem to be slowly on a decline.
I don't feel envious of anyone trying to write a PC building guide right now, with the video card and RAM prices so unrealistic. Otherwise it should have been nice with the CPU side finally having choices again, not only Intel like it was for years.
Well for budget builds and enthusiast builds, prices are reasonable. It's everything in between that's terrible. Unfortunately, the in-between is what most people want.
At least RAM prices seem to be slowly on a decline.
Fox2232
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Posted on: 03/28/2018 07:00 PM
Not sure if 1st gen. Ryzens will be still sold in 2~3 month's time. And I think Mainstream should be something like Ryzen 600(x) as in that price range, people expect PC to keep performing for some time. And lastly, 3GB VRAM is not gonna last much longer.
Other than that it is nice.
Not sure if 1st gen. Ryzens will be still sold in 2~3 month's time. And I think Mainstream should be something like Ryzen 600(x) as in that price range, people expect PC to keep performing for some time. And lastly, 3GB VRAM is not gonna last much longer.
Other than that it is nice.
Kaarme
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Posted on: 03/28/2018 08:03 PM
Well for budget builds and enthusiast builds, prices are reasonable. It's everything in between that's terrible. Unfortunately, the in-between is what most people want.
At least RAM prices seem to be slowly on a decline.
The RAM price will affect a budget build even worse, relatively. A real enthusiast build ought to need at least 32GB of RAM today. That's gonna cost quite a bit. GTX1080Ti seems to be recovering, though, now that you mentioned it. So, even with the GPU covered, the RAM would make a dent.
Well for budget builds and enthusiast builds, prices are reasonable. It's everything in between that's terrible. Unfortunately, the in-between is what most people want.
At least RAM prices seem to be slowly on a decline.
The RAM price will affect a budget build even worse, relatively. A real enthusiast build ought to need at least 32GB of RAM today. That's gonna cost quite a bit. GTX1080Ti seems to be recovering, though, now that you mentioned it. So, even with the GPU covered, the RAM would make a dent.
H83
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Posted on: 03/28/2018 09:52 PM
Well, Hilbert can only talk about what´s available right know because there´s always something better being released in the future... And the advantage of buying 1st gen Ryzen is that the prices are really good right now and the next Ryzen only offers a small speed bump, so the recommendation is perfectly reasonable, at least for me.
Not sure if 1st gen. Ryzens will be still sold in 2~3 month's time. And I think Mainstream should be something like Ryzen 600(x) as in that price range, people expect PC to keep performing for some time. And lastly, 3GB VRAM is not gonna last much longer.
Well, Hilbert can only talk about what´s available right know because there´s always something better being released in the future... And the advantage of buying 1st gen Ryzen is that the prices are really good right now and the next Ryzen only offers a small speed bump, so the recommendation is perfectly reasonable, at least for me.
Fox2232
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Posted on: 03/28/2018 09:56 PM
It's just my deformation... It is still around 5°C above zero in day. So, name like "Spring Guide" is something in far future
Well, Hilbert can only talk about what´s available right know because there´s always something better being released in the future... And the advantage of buying 1st gen Ryzen is that the prices are really good right now and the next Ryzen only offers a small speed bump, so the recommendation is perfectly reasonable, at least for me.
It's just my deformation... It is still around 5°C above zero in day. So, name like "Spring Guide" is something in far future
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Posted on: 04/03/2018 02:26 PM
are you envious of people that shut down their pc normally and their motherboard and vga where dead ..... out of the blue ? ((i mean i hit the jackpot there ! XD ))
you have me on a disagreement on that one a gamer enthusiast have no reason what so ever to aim for 32 gb 16 gb are more than enough hell on my now dead z77 system i had 50 browser tabs ++ ((2nd monitor really gives you bad habits XD )) + a game on the main screen and i had only 8-9 gb on use ... except if specifically you do some task that needs a lot of ram 16 gb will be enough .
Also hmm i believe i am a true enthusiast i love pc hardware tweaking fiddling with it learning about it speculating ...although even if i want tomorrow to go around and spend 10k euro on a system my pocket is highly against that :p and my motherboard +vga had to die at the best of times(Last week ) !
thanks for the recommendation Hilbert an msi pc mate is going to be on my system in 2 days !
I don't feel envious of anyone trying to write a PC building guide right now, with the video card and RAM prices so unrealistic. Otherwise it should have been nice with the CPU side finally having choices again, not only Intel like it was for years.
are you envious of people that shut down their pc normally and their motherboard and vga where dead ..... out of the blue ? ((i mean i hit the jackpot there ! XD ))
A real enthusiast build ought to need at least 32GB of RAM
you have me on a disagreement on that one a gamer enthusiast have no reason what so ever to aim for 32 gb 16 gb are more than enough hell on my now dead z77 system i had 50 browser tabs ++ ((2nd monitor really gives you bad habits XD )) + a game on the main screen and i had only 8-9 gb on use ... except if specifically you do some task that needs a lot of ram 16 gb will be enough .
Also hmm i believe i am a true enthusiast i love pc hardware tweaking fiddling with it learning about it speculating ...although even if i want tomorrow to go around and spend 10k euro on a system my pocket is highly against that :p and my motherboard +vga had to die at the best of times(Last week ) !
thanks for the recommendation Hilbert an msi pc mate is going to be on my system in 2 days !
Kaarme
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Posted on: 04/03/2018 02:51 PM
are you envious of people that shut down their pc normally and their motherboard and vga where dead ..... out of the blue ? ((i mean i hit the jackpot there ! XD ))
I said in some other thread that if I lost my video card right now, I'd rather stop playing games entirely than pay a shop the highwayman prices they are asking for video cards.
you have me on a disagreement on that one a gamer enthusiast have no reason what so ever to aim for 32 gb 16 gb are more than enough hell on my now dead z77 system i had 50 browser tabs ++ ((2nd monitor really gives you bad habits XD )) + a game on the main screen and i had only 8-9 gb on use ... except if specifically you do some task that needs a lot of ram 16 gb will be enough .
Also hmm i believe i am a true enthusiast i love pc hardware tweaking fiddling with it learning about it speculating ...although even if i want tomorrow to go around and spend 10k euro on a system my pocket is highly against that :p and my motherboard +vga had to die at the best of times(Last week ) !
thanks for the recommendation Hilbert an msi pc mate is going to be on my system in 2 days !
Enthusiast hardware or builds should be a different thing that merely saying someone is an enthusiast. A computer enthusiast could be crazy about 80's hardware, and thus definitely would never see 32GB of memory. But it should be a different thing when classifying hardware. 16GB is already recommended by some new games. So, it should be the mainstream, clearly. How can you then say it's also the enthusiast? Besides, an enthusiast might also do other things than just game, and 32GB might easily be practically helpful.
Z77 is half a dozen years old. It's quite irrelevant to refer to that in 2018.
are you envious of people that shut down their pc normally and their motherboard and vga where dead ..... out of the blue ? ((i mean i hit the jackpot there ! XD ))
I said in some other thread that if I lost my video card right now, I'd rather stop playing games entirely than pay a shop the highwayman prices they are asking for video cards.
you have me on a disagreement on that one a gamer enthusiast have no reason what so ever to aim for 32 gb 16 gb are more than enough hell on my now dead z77 system i had 50 browser tabs ++ ((2nd monitor really gives you bad habits XD )) + a game on the main screen and i had only 8-9 gb on use ... except if specifically you do some task that needs a lot of ram 16 gb will be enough .
Also hmm i believe i am a true enthusiast i love pc hardware tweaking fiddling with it learning about it speculating ...although even if i want tomorrow to go around and spend 10k euro on a system my pocket is highly against that :p and my motherboard +vga had to die at the best of times(Last week ) !
thanks for the recommendation Hilbert an msi pc mate is going to be on my system in 2 days !
Enthusiast hardware or builds should be a different thing that merely saying someone is an enthusiast. A computer enthusiast could be crazy about 80's hardware, and thus definitely would never see 32GB of memory. But it should be a different thing when classifying hardware. 16GB is already recommended by some new games. So, it should be the mainstream, clearly. How can you then say it's also the enthusiast? Besides, an enthusiast might also do other things than just game, and 32GB might easily be practically helpful.
Z77 is half a dozen years old. It's quite irrelevant to refer to that in 2018.
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Posted on: 04/03/2018 03:32 PM
I said in some other thread that if I lost my video card right now, I'd rather stop playing games entirely than pay a shop the highwayman prices they are asking for video cards.
Enthusiast hardware or builds should be a different thing that merely saying someone is an enthusiast. A computer enthusiast could be crazy about 80's hardware, and thus definitely would never see 32GB of memory. But it should be a different thing when classifying hardware. 16GB is already recommended by some new games. So, it should be the mainstream, clearly. How can you then say it's also the enthusiast? Besides, an enthusiast might also do other things than just game, and 32GB might easily be practically helpful.
Z77 is half a dozen years old. It's quite irrelevant to refer to that in 2018.
well yeah i was holding to see the ryzen 3 (or the 2nd refresh or so ) ....although games that recomend 16 rarerly even occupy more than 8gb of your ram sure an enthusiast build goes for a lot ...well and z77 is what i had with 16gb of ram as personal experience till last week with that amount of ram was not really talking about performance (z77 or z370 aplications will consume the same ram as far as they are on the latest version no ? ). i hear you about video cards ... i got the 2400g to get by till the vga prices normalize then i think i will just sell the 2400 and get a 2600 and a decent card
I said in some other thread that if I lost my video card right now, I'd rather stop playing games entirely than pay a shop the highwayman prices they are asking for video cards.
Enthusiast hardware or builds should be a different thing that merely saying someone is an enthusiast. A computer enthusiast could be crazy about 80's hardware, and thus definitely would never see 32GB of memory. But it should be a different thing when classifying hardware. 16GB is already recommended by some new games. So, it should be the mainstream, clearly. How can you then say it's also the enthusiast? Besides, an enthusiast might also do other things than just game, and 32GB might easily be practically helpful.
Z77 is half a dozen years old. It's quite irrelevant to refer to that in 2018.
well yeah i was holding to see the ryzen 3 (or the 2nd refresh or so ) ....although games that recomend 16 rarerly even occupy more than 8gb of your ram sure an enthusiast build goes for a lot ...well and z77 is what i had with 16gb of ram as personal experience till last week with that amount of ram was not really talking about performance (z77 or z370 aplications will consume the same ram as far as they are on the latest version no ? ). i hear you about video cards ... i got the 2400g to get by till the vga prices normalize then i think i will just sell the 2400 and get a 2600 and a decent card
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Posted on: 04/03/2018 04:34 PM
Years ago 16GB still sounded like more than enough, now it merely sounds like enough. If we are talking about a real enthusiastic build, it shouldn't have anything merely enough. Where'd the enthusiasm be there?
well and z77 is what i had with 16gb of ram as personal experience till last week with that amount of ram was not really talking about performance (z77 or z370 aplications will consume the same ram as far as they are on the latest version no ? ).
Years ago 16GB still sounded like more than enough, now it merely sounds like enough. If we are talking about a real enthusiastic build, it shouldn't have anything merely enough. Where'd the enthusiasm be there?
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Posted on: 04/04/2018 11:13 AM
It was overkill i still can not find any task at mind that 32gb will benefit you over 16... other than autocad
and the other time i saw 16gb getting filled up where running a neural network that would pretty much occupy as much ram as you give it ! I just think especially with the prices now 16gb are more than enough ...else hell i would love to equip my system with 64gb even !
Years ago 16GB still sounded like more than enough, now it merely sounds like enough. If we are talking about a real enthusiastic build, it shouldn't have anything merely enough. Where'd the enthusiasm be there?
It was overkill i still can not find any task at mind that 32gb will benefit you over 16... other than autocad
and the other time i saw 16gb getting filled up where running a neural network that would pretty much occupy as much ram as you give it ! I just think especially with the prices now 16gb are more than enough ...else hell i would love to equip my system with 64gb even !
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Posted on: 04/04/2018 11:56 AM
Prices are bad, but there is nothing worth buying either - gpu's currently on the market (with the exception of the extremely overpriced titan volta) are 2 years old... if one has just a bit of smarts, you don't buy 2 year old gpu's for full price, and certainly not twice the normal full price.
Nice guide! Too bad we're still in the middle of the worst time to build a new PC, due to inflated prices on several components but of course especially GPUs. ops:
ops:Prices are bad, but there is nothing worth buying either - gpu's currently on the market (with the exception of the extremely overpriced titan volta) are 2 years old... if one has just a bit of smarts, you don't buy 2 year old gpu's for full price, and certainly not twice the normal full price.
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Posted on: 04/04/2018 11:58 AM
Unless your GPU is more than 2 years old, unless you baught a full system / was giftet one with no dGPU inside or only a weak one, unless your GPU broke down, unless you can afford it and still want a new system, etc.
The good thing is, everybody thinks it's going to get a little better with the GPUs. Not sure if and when that talk is going to become reality though
Prices are bad, but there is nothing worth buying either - gpu's currently on the market (with the exception of the extremely overpriced titan volta) are 2 years old... if one has just a bit of smarts, you don't buy 2 year old gpu's for full price, and certainly not twice the normal full price.
Unless your GPU is more than 2 years old, unless you baught a full system / was giftet one with no dGPU inside or only a weak one, unless your GPU broke down, unless you can afford it and still want a new system, etc.
The good thing is, everybody thinks it's going to get a little better with the GPUs. Not sure if and when that talk is going to become reality though
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Posted on: 04/04/2018 12:14 PM
Unless your GPU is more than 2 years old, unless you baught a full system / was giftet one with no dGPU inside or only a weak one, unless your GPU broke down, unless you can afford it and still want a new system, etc.
The good thing is, everybody thinks it's going to get a little better with the GPUs. Not sure if and when that talk is going to become reality though
I'd say unless you don't have a gpu at all, for whatever reason, you really shouldn't buy a gpu till the new ones come... i'd say wait it out, even if you are still on kepler gpu's.
Well yeah... i'm gonna preorder as soon as the new gpu's comes up for sale, before miners can inflate the prices of those gpu's - at least in denmark, they aren't allowed to increase the purchase price from the price you preorder items for. Did that with my 1080's 2 years ago aswell
Unless your GPU is more than 2 years old, unless you baught a full system / was giftet one with no dGPU inside or only a weak one, unless your GPU broke down, unless you can afford it and still want a new system, etc.
The good thing is, everybody thinks it's going to get a little better with the GPUs. Not sure if and when that talk is going to become reality though
I'd say unless you don't have a gpu at all, for whatever reason, you really shouldn't buy a gpu till the new ones come... i'd say wait it out, even if you are still on kepler gpu's.
Well yeah... i'm gonna preorder as soon as the new gpu's comes up for sale, before miners can inflate the prices of those gpu's - at least in denmark, they aren't allowed to increase the purchase price from the price you preorder items for. Did that with my 1080's 2 years ago aswell
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Posted on: 04/04/2018 12:18 PM
And you think that miners aren't smart enough to do the same?
Yeah, the only way to get a GPU these days is grab 'em while they're around and hope you can get one. Especially with new releases or GPUs at "normal" prices.
Well yeah... i'm gonna preorder as soon as the new gpu's comes up for sale, before miners can inflate the prices of those gpu's - at least in denmark, they aren't allowed to increase the purchase price from the price you preorder items for. Did that with my 1080's 2 years ago aswell
And you think that miners aren't smart enough to do the same?
Yeah, the only way to get a GPU these days is grab 'em while they're around and hope you can get one. Especially with new releases or GPUs at "normal" prices.
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Posted on: 04/04/2018 12:25 PM
And you think that miners aren't smart enough to do the same?
Yeah, the only way to get a GPU these days is grab 'em while they're around and hope you can get one. Especially with new releases or GPUs at "normal" prices.
If you do it the moment they are released, miners can't have preordered everything. Besides, most retailers only allow you to preorder 2 gpu's.
And you think that miners aren't smart enough to do the same?
Yeah, the only way to get a GPU these days is grab 'em while they're around and hope you can get one. Especially with new releases or GPUs at "normal" prices.
If you do it the moment they are released, miners can't have preordered everything. Besides, most retailers only allow you to preorder 2 gpu's.
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Posted on: 04/04/2018 12:31 PM
I wonder how many years until gpu prices go back to normal.
I wonder how many years until gpu prices go back to normal.
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Good stuff boss!