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Posted by: on: 06/21/2022 11:37 AM [
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We conducted two Thermal Paste roundups, the first in 2019 and the second in 2021. Why not try something else and investigate the temperature influence of other PC components outside the CPU/GPU? Perhaps it would be worthwhile to test the radiator's slash heatsink impact on NVMe drive performance.
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Athlonite
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Posted on: 06/27/2022 11:12 PM
Use HWinfo64 if you want NVMe temp monitoring
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As for the article well what can I say not a lot it's pretty basic doesn't say anything about over cooling the nand can be bad for the life span of the drive or the fact that unless you're doing full on writes to your drive all the time then temps are pretty much irrelevant to total system temperature also the fact that it's much more important to keep the Controller cool than the nand so large chunky heatsinks (read Z690) that seriously lower the drives temps during reads is fine but during writes it's not so good to be doing that
NAND likes to be hot when being written to just so long as it's not over hot so any mobo hs that keeps the drives nand between 50~75c during writes is perfectly acceptable
I sporadically check my drive temps but it would be nice if I could get "Open Hardware Monitor" to log/graph the temps. OHM lists all my nvme drives as Generic Hard Disk and only shows available space. Perhaps a windows (11) setting.
Use HWinfo64 if you want NVMe temp monitoring
======================================================================================================================================
As for the article well what can I say not a lot it's pretty basic doesn't say anything about over cooling the nand can be bad for the life span of the drive or the fact that unless you're doing full on writes to your drive all the time then temps are pretty much irrelevant to total system temperature also the fact that it's much more important to keep the Controller cool than the nand so large chunky heatsinks (read Z690) that seriously lower the drives temps during reads is fine but during writes it's not so good to be doing that
NAND likes to be hot when being written to just so long as it's not over hot so any mobo hs that keeps the drives nand between 50~75c during writes is perfectly acceptable
Mufflore
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Posts: 13621
Posted on: 06/28/2022 12:05 AM
Use HWinfo64 if you want NVMe temp monitoring
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As for the article well what can I say not a lot it's pretty basic doesn't say anything about over cooling the nand can be bad for the life span of the drive or the fact that unless you're doing full on writes to your drive all the time then temps are pretty much irrelevant to total system temperature also the fact that it's much more important to keep the Controller cool than the nand so large chunky heatsinks (read Z690) that seriously lower the drives temps during reads is fine but during writes it's not so good to be doing that
NAND likes to be hot when being written to just so long as it's not over hot so any mobo hs that keeps the drives nand between 50~75c during writes is perfectly acceptable
I found a handy tool for temp monitoring that can help in tricky situs.
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My 6700K based machine running Windows 7 is using the default Windows 7 NVME driver which practically all monitoring software doesnt even see.
As far as they are concerned I dont have an NVME drive, that drive is missing.
I use this driver because it runs significantly faster than drivers that provide more reporting features.
Then I found Hard Disk Sentinel not only sees the drive but can read the temp and highest recorded temp as well.
Great tool
FYI
Use HWinfo64 if you want NVMe temp monitoring
======================================================================================================================================
As for the article well what can I say not a lot it's pretty basic doesn't say anything about over cooling the nand can be bad for the life span of the drive or the fact that unless you're doing full on writes to your drive all the time then temps are pretty much irrelevant to total system temperature also the fact that it's much more important to keep the Controller cool than the nand so large chunky heatsinks (read Z690) that seriously lower the drives temps during reads is fine but during writes it's not so good to be doing that
NAND likes to be hot when being written to just so long as it's not over hot so any mobo hs that keeps the drives nand between 50~75c during writes is perfectly acceptable
I found a handy tool for temp monitoring that can help in tricky situs.
ie
My 6700K based machine running Windows 7 is using the default Windows 7 NVME driver which practically all monitoring software doesnt even see.
As far as they are concerned I dont have an NVME drive, that drive is missing.
I use this driver because it runs significantly faster than drivers that provide more reporting features.
Then I found Hard Disk Sentinel not only sees the drive but can read the temp and highest recorded temp as well.
Great tool
FYI
The Goose
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Posted on: 07/22/2022 10:16 AM
Having recently changed to a vertically mounted gpu on an Msi b550m motar i have gained 2-3c at peak load on my Corsair mp600 pro xt and it still gets to the mid 50`s...which is above my gpu slot so heat from my gpu had very little impact.
F I N A L L Y someone else says that a M.2 placed above the gpu is not good
- after years telling people that 9/10 motherboards had awful design with the M.2 above the gpu or on it's side getting all the hot air
(the only good one was the MSI TRX40 Creator who had two m.2 at the bottom of the motherboard and 1 vertically on the right of the ddr slots, all 3 away from heat sources and in places that had better airflow)
- that the 5.0 M.2 from the latest asus Z690 extreme was the most stupid thing ever and was UNUSABLE (because not only does it kill your gpu bandwith, currently it divides it by 4x not 2x...4x !) but it means their stupid idiotic giant heatsink 1mm above the gpu backplate is actively HEATING your M.2 "who whould have guessed that placing a heat exchanger 1mm above a 80-100°C plate would not cool it...woaw I'm shocked !"
(that's what you get when you claim to give useful info to consumers but keep using test benches because it makes YOUR job easier...but then all your measurements are trash because an open test bench is not a real computer aka a closed case)
I'm afraid that's too late for the next AMD lineup because I noticed on the announcement they also looked like they had heatsinks almost touching the gpu, so another fake slot that you really shouldn't use, not like you want it anyway...see my rants on why pcie 5.0 is worst than 4.0 (you gain nothing but only lose more bandwith when the x16 is split between the pcie slots)
maybe that's the reason why AMD went dual chipset...I hope so
when they say : your pcie slot is
(the only good one was the MSI TRX40 Creator who had two m.2 at the bottom of the motherboard and 1 vertically on the right of the ddr slots, all 3 away from heat sources and in places that had better airflow)
- that the 5.0 M.2 from the latest asus Z690 extreme was the most stupid thing ever and was UNUSABLE (because not only does it kill your gpu bandwith, currently it divides it by 4x not 2x...4x !) but it means their stupid idiotic giant heatsink 1mm above the gpu backplate is actively HEATING your M.2 "who whould have guessed that placing a heat exchanger 1mm above a 80-100°C plate would not cool it...woaw I'm shocked !"
(that's what you get when you claim to give useful info to consumers but keep using test benches because it makes YOUR job easier...but then all your measurements are trash because an open test bench is not a real computer aka a closed case)
I'm afraid that's too late for the next AMD lineup because I noticed on the announcement they also looked like they had heatsinks almost touching the gpu, so another fake slot that you really shouldn't use, not like you want it anyway...see my rants on why pcie 5.0 is worst than 4.0 (you gain nothing but only lose more bandwith when the x16 is split between the pcie slots)
maybe that's the reason why AMD went dual chipset...I hope so
when they say : your pcie slot is
x16 x8 x4
it's not : x of 5.0 speed
it's : of whatever pcie speed your peripheral is
so when your gpu pcie slot goes from 16x 5.0 (52Tb/s) down to x8 it's not x8 5.0 (26Tb/s) it's x8 4.0 at best which is 1/4 speed or x16 3.0 (13Tb/s) and yes you lose performance with high end videocards
it's : of whatever pcie speed your peripheral is
so when your gpu pcie slot goes from 16x 5.0 (52Tb/s) down to x8 it's not x8 5.0 (26Tb/s) it's x8 4.0 at best which is 1/4 speed or x16 3.0 (13Tb/s) and yes you lose performance with high end videocards
Having recently changed to a vertically mounted gpu on an Msi b550m motar i have gained 2-3c at peak load on my Corsair mp600 pro xt and it still gets to the mid 50`s...which is above my gpu slot so heat from my gpu had very little impact.
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Great read! I really like articles like this, investigating the finer details of PC building that often get overlooked.
My x570 board came with built-in heatsinks that seem to work well enough... I sporadically check my drive temps but it would be nice if I could get "Open Hardware Monitor" to log/graph the temps. OHM lists all my nvme drives as Generic Hard Disk and only shows available space. Perhaps a windows (11) setting.