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GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Review
Posted by: on: 03/09/2017 04:00 PM [
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In this article we'll look at the fastest graphics card your money can get you, the Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti based on Pascal architecture. Armed with 11GB of GDDR5X graphics memory and that all new GP102-350 GPU, we are certain we're gonna break some records today.
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Arbie
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 01:06 AM
Cooling and noise:
I like the blower design because it puts less load on the case ventilation.
HOWEVER, I am amazed that at this price level NVidia does so poorly with the metal strip holding the air exit vent, video connectors etc. It looks like a 1980 product. The ribs forming the vent are simply stamped flat metal, with square edges. With so much air going past, these ribs would create much less noise if they were thin, rounded elements e.g. a wire mesh. Besides that, the grille could be more open - it only needs to prevent a finger going in, and even then you couldn't reach the fan blades.
Not an airflow engineer but it seems clear that for almost no extra cost NVidia could have done much better on this metric. If they can design a 12 billion transistor chip, why can't they design a metal grille? If I did buy one of these I'd want to nurg out the whole area and just leave a big hole. That should improve airflow as well, and reduce what throttling there is.
Cooling and noise:
I like the blower design because it puts less load on the case ventilation.
HOWEVER, I am amazed that at this price level NVidia does so poorly with the metal strip holding the air exit vent, video connectors etc. It looks like a 1980 product. The ribs forming the vent are simply stamped flat metal, with square edges. With so much air going past, these ribs would create much less noise if they were thin, rounded elements e.g. a wire mesh. Besides that, the grille could be more open - it only needs to prevent a finger going in, and even then you couldn't reach the fan blades.
Not an airflow engineer but it seems clear that for almost no extra cost NVidia could have done much better on this metric. If they can design a 12 billion transistor chip, why can't they design a metal grille? If I did buy one of these I'd want to nurg out the whole area and just leave a big hole. That should improve airflow as well, and reduce what throttling there is.
MrBonk
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 01:06 AM
I have to disagree, people who want to run at 120FPS. Even if the CPU can't keep up, it shouldn't have trouble hitting 120FPS.
Then there's Fast-Sync for online games that can run at very high framerates to ditch the tearing you get while still having super low latency.
But also, it makes sense for 1080p if you are still playing DX9 games with SGSSAA. As even on these high end cards, 8xSGSSAA at 1080p can push them very very hard depending on the game.
Then there's the scenario where one has a 1080p monitor but they use downsampling from 4k or higher or downsampling in combination with forced AA.
There's plenty of scenarios where 1080p makes sense with a card like this.
As such, if you are a 1080p gamer, this card might be a bit out of your comfort zone; it isn't going to make much sense as at 1920x1080 you'll be limited by your processor, as yes, even the fastest 8 and 10 core processors will not be able to keep up properly.
I have to disagree, people who want to run at 120FPS. Even if the CPU can't keep up, it shouldn't have trouble hitting 120FPS.
Then there's Fast-Sync for online games that can run at very high framerates to ditch the tearing you get while still having super low latency.
But also, it makes sense for 1080p if you are still playing DX9 games with SGSSAA. As even on these high end cards, 8xSGSSAA at 1080p can push them very very hard depending on the game.
Then there's the scenario where one has a 1080p monitor but they use downsampling from 4k or higher or downsampling in combination with forced AA.
There's plenty of scenarios where 1080p makes sense with a card like this.
waltc3
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 01:45 AM
Yes, it isn't "bugs"--it's actually optimization and compilers. That will take a few weeks to get sorted--it's a brand-new architecture and it isn't
a copy of Intel's, for sure...
So, that's why it needs game code optimization along with its own compilers (as was also true of Athlon.) As you note, the power is there--it's just the optimizations that need to happen now.
There's no point in digging deeper into this before the bugs are sorted out. AMD and MS are already aware of it, as are the game developers, so eventually the situation will become better. How much better, who knows, but since the CPU performs well in heavily multi-threaded applications, beating twice as expensive Intels, they do have the power.
Yes, it isn't "bugs"--it's actually optimization and compilers. That will take a few weeks to get sorted--it's a brand-new architecture and it isn't
a copy of Intel's, for sure...
So, that's why it needs game code optimization along with its own compilers (as was also true of Athlon.) As you note, the power is there--it's just the optimizations that need to happen now.
Mostafa Hijazi
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 02:00 AM
Great card and a great review ! Are you going to do an SLI review ?
Great card and a great review ! Are you going to do an SLI review ?
SirDremor
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 09:29 AM
Awesome card! Nvidia, awesome job!
HH, top review!
With such power it is rather tempting to return from my gaming retirement!
Awesome card! Nvidia, awesome job!
HH, top review!
With such power it is rather tempting to return from my gaming retirement!
icedman
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 09:44 AM
Awesome card! Nvidia, awesome job!
HH, top review!
With such power it is rather tempting to return from my gaming retirement!
There is probably no point in testing sli anymore other than to show its not being supported like it used to be.
Awesome card! Nvidia, awesome job!
HH, top review!
With such power it is rather tempting to return from my gaming retirement!
There is probably no point in testing sli anymore other than to show its not being supported like it used to be.
rm082e
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 04:11 PM
At least in the US market, this is the closest thing I found fitting your description:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABHJ4YS7340&cm-re=curved-display---0JC-0009-000A6---Product
Honestly, it's a pretty decent price considering what it is.
Thank you!
If you're not concerned with refresh rates then why do you care about G/Free-Sync? To my knowledge, v-sync still prevents screen tearing at frame rates below 60FPS.
Because when the frame rate drops below 60 with V-Sync on, games gets really stuttery. Adaptive refresh keeps the game feeling relatively smooth when you're in the 45-60fps range.
At least in the US market, this is the closest thing I found fitting your description:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABHJ4YS7340&cm-re=curved-display---0JC-0009-000A6---Product
Honestly, it's a pretty decent price considering what it is.
Thank you!
If you're not concerned with refresh rates then why do you care about G/Free-Sync? To my knowledge, v-sync still prevents screen tearing at frame rates below 60FPS.
Because when the frame rate drops below 60 with V-Sync on, games gets really stuttery. Adaptive refresh keeps the game feeling relatively smooth when you're in the 45-60fps range.
geogan
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 05:08 PM
A card like this needs to also be tested for what it might actually be useful for which is a triple 27" monitor setup with 2560x1440 on each display for a total of 11Mpixels which is more than UltraHD of 8Mpixels.
That's what I am interested in it for.
Those with a single 2560x1440 monitor or even more stupidly a 1080P monitor are only wasting their time and money looking at this.
A card like this needs to also be tested for what it might actually be useful for which is a triple 27" monitor setup with 2560x1440 on each display for a total of 11Mpixels which is more than UltraHD of 8Mpixels.
That's what I am interested in it for.
Those with a single 2560x1440 monitor or even more stupidly a 1080P monitor are only wasting their time and money looking at this.
Redemption80
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 05:33 PM
How are they stupid,? This is the first card that is ideal for a single high refresh 1080/1440 screen.
On the other hand it isn't powerful enough for 2x1440.
How are they stupid,? This is the first card that is ideal for a single high refresh 1080/1440 screen.
On the other hand it isn't powerful enough for 2x1440.
Embra
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 05:40 PM
The big hope for these cards are 4k play. The top end Vega will be judged the same way.
Pretty good performance over the X model. I thought it might be a tad below.
The big hope for these cards are 4k play. The top end Vega will be judged the same way.
Pretty good performance over the X model. I thought it might be a tad below.
ChisChas
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 07:30 PM
Great review Hilbert, thank you. We finally have a 4K card for just gaming.
+1 for a SLI review please
Great review Hilbert, thank you. We finally have a 4K card for just gaming.
+1 for a SLI review please
ChisChas
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 07:32 PM
But let's have a test in SLI to see where we are?
There is probably no point in testing sli anymore other than to show its not being supported like it used to be.
But let's have a test in SLI to see where we are?
Loophole35
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 08:48 PM
A card like this needs to also be tested for what it might actually be useful for which is a triple 27" monitor setup with 2560x1440 on each display for a total of 11Mpixels which is more than UltraHD of 8Mpixels.
That's what I am interested in it for.
Those with a single 2560x1440 monitor or even more stupidly a 1080P monitor are only wasting their time and money looking at this.
Not really, but okay. You can still see minimum frames below 60 with a 1080ti at QHD.
A card like this needs to also be tested for what it might actually be useful for which is a triple 27" monitor setup with 2560x1440 on each display for a total of 11Mpixels which is more than UltraHD of 8Mpixels.
That's what I am interested in it for.
Those with a single 2560x1440 monitor or even more stupidly a 1080P monitor are only wasting their time and money looking at this.
Not really, but okay. You can still see minimum frames below 60 with a 1080ti at QHD.
Denial
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 09:01 PM
**** it. I bought one. Gonna buy an EK block and shove it on there. I never want below 60fps ever again lol
**** it. I bought one. Gonna buy an EK block and shove it on there. I never want below 60fps ever again lol
Solfaur
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 09:14 PM
I'm looking forward to mine as well, though it will likely take some weeks till I can buy it here (MSI Gaming on that is).
Let us know how much you squeeze out of it!
**** it. I bought one. Gonna buy an EK block and shove it on there. I never want below 60fps ever again lol
I'm looking forward to mine as well, though it will likely take some weeks till I can buy it here (MSI Gaming on that is).
Let us know how much you squeeze out of it!
bemaniac
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 09:31 PM
I'm mad. I bought one.
I'm mad. I bought one.
GeniusPr0
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 10:31 PM
Enjoy the cards, pretty sure they'll be faster than Vega anyway.
Enjoy the cards, pretty sure they'll be faster than Vega anyway.
eclap
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 10:34 PM
$1200 card is beaten by a $700 card by the same company after 10 months when they had the ability and saw the need to release what they needed to release at the price point they saw would be best for sales. What's so surprising?
People who buy Titans don't need anyone's pity. They knew exactly what they were buying. The fastest GeForce gaming GPU at the time of release for the highest sum of money.
If you have a problem with the Titan's price point, well, don't buy Titans. But don't breathe down the necks of those who do.
Yep and the next round of Titans will do exactly the same, it'll sell and nobody will regret it. Titans have been around for years and fair play, the first time it happened, I can understand people got upset, but nowadays it's common practise and it's just how the market works.
I honestly don't understand why someone has a problem with rich people spending money.
$1200 card is beaten by a $700 card by the same company after 10 months when they had the ability and saw the need to release what they needed to release at the price point they saw would be best for sales. What's so surprising?
People who buy Titans don't need anyone's pity. They knew exactly what they were buying. The fastest GeForce gaming GPU at the time of release for the highest sum of money.
If you have a problem with the Titan's price point, well, don't buy Titans. But don't breathe down the necks of those who do.
Yep and the next round of Titans will do exactly the same, it'll sell and nobody will regret it. Titans have been around for years and fair play, the first time it happened, I can understand people got upset, but nowadays it's common practise and it's just how the market works.
I honestly don't understand why someone has a problem with rich people spending money.
Aura89
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 11:33 PM
Any idea when the non-reference ones will release?
Any idea when the non-reference ones will release?
ScoobyDooby
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Posted on: 03/10/2017 11:50 PM
You should know by now. Sucks, and sorry that you got one, but you should.
I am stoked for this card, but gonna wait to see how the later Asus/MSI card does OC and then pick whichever does best.
I'm mad. I bought one.
You should know by now. Sucks, and sorry that you got one, but you should.
I am stoked for this card, but gonna wait to see how the later Asus/MSI card does OC and then pick whichever does best.
bemaniac
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Posted on: 03/11/2017 12:01 AM
I like to get maximum days out of my investment. Upgrade to a 1180ti in 2 years or whatnot like I did with these puppies. Just generally grateful I only needed 1 card for 4k really after having to play every freaking release on one 980ti and having to turn down settings as my second card sat there with a goofy smile.
That and I'll be putting an all in one watercooler on it asap. Also I got an Asus insteado f EVGA this time as the early EVGAs never seem to clock well because they have so many higher binned variants.
I like to get maximum days out of my investment. Upgrade to a 1180ti in 2 years or whatnot like I did with these puppies. Just generally grateful I only needed 1 card for 4k really after having to play every freaking release on one 980ti and having to turn down settings as my second card sat there with a goofy smile.
That and I'll be putting an all in one watercooler on it asap. Also I got an Asus insteado f EVGA this time as the early EVGAs never seem to clock well because they have so many higher binned variants.
Elder III
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Posted on: 03/11/2017 01:08 AM
I've got one in the mail to me right now. I think it should be pretty good for 4K even at stock, but if it get's too loud or hot overclocked I can always drop an Arctic Acellero IV for $60 on it down the road. Not having to pay a stupid "premium" for a reference card (like the 1080 was last year) made me allot more willing to go for it this time. My 1080 Strix sold in a heartbeat last week, so I can't wait any longer to see what the AIB products are priced like.
I've got one in the mail to me right now. I think it should be pretty good for 4K even at stock, but if it get's too loud or hot overclocked I can always drop an Arctic Acellero IV for $60 on it down the road. Not having to pay a stupid "premium" for a reference card (like the 1080 was last year) made me allot more willing to go for it this time. My 1080 Strix sold in a heartbeat last week, so I can't wait any longer to see what the AIB products are priced like.
KissSh0t
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Posted on: 03/11/2017 01:39 AM
I don't know why but the idea of 11GB and not 12GB makes my eye twitch.
I don't know why but the idea of 11GB and not 12GB makes my eye twitch.
sverek
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Posted on: 03/11/2017 02:31 AM
Gotta somehow sell Titan. It's for people who prefer spending extra half $k over twitching eyes.
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GTX1080Ti is interesting card. Definitely for higher refresh rate 1440 panels.
Reasonable counter to SLI/Crossfire setups of same price range.
I just keep thinking... unless CPUs are gonna stabily drive at 144fps and you not really into sliding all video settings to max... do you really need 1080Ti?
Just by lowering MSAA, you get like 40-60 fps alone.
Are GPUs are really limiting factors once we go for reasonable 144 fps?
Imho, CPUs are not cutting in anymore. Not sure if its games that cant optimize full potential of CPUs or something else.
We see frame drops of Intel CPUs(quad core), Ryzen doing better at this with more cores, but needs more optimization. Average FPS might be over 144, but once engine have to render lots of things, CPU just gonna drop lots of frames, while GPU is unaffected and just processing rock solid stable frames.
I don't know why but the idea of 11GB and not 12GB makes my eye twitch.
Gotta somehow sell Titan. It's for people who prefer spending extra half $k over twitching eyes.
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GTX1080Ti is interesting card. Definitely for higher refresh rate 1440 panels.
Reasonable counter to SLI/Crossfire setups of same price range.
I just keep thinking... unless CPUs are gonna stabily drive at 144fps and you not really into sliding all video settings to max... do you really need 1080Ti?
Just by lowering MSAA, you get like 40-60 fps alone.
Are GPUs are really limiting factors once we go for reasonable 144 fps?
Imho, CPUs are not cutting in anymore. Not sure if its games that cant optimize full potential of CPUs or something else.
We see frame drops of Intel CPUs(quad core), Ryzen doing better at this with more cores, but needs more optimization. Average FPS might be over 144, but once engine have to render lots of things, CPU just gonna drop lots of frames, while GPU is unaffected and just processing rock solid stable frames.
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One does not know how high a price the market will bear until total units sold start to dip because of price. Why on earth would anyone keep prices low when evidence shows higher prices will be tolerated? Obviously there is a point to where the difference in performance is not worth it. Has it been forgotten that as soon as a product hits the shelves, it is already outdated? Something better is always around the corner.
EDIT: One always buys the best their budget allows. Fortunately, one cannot miss what has never been experienced.