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Editorial: AMD VEGA GPU Architecture Preview
Posted by: on: 01/05/2017 03:00 PM [
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It is time to lift a few mysteries from the AMD VEGA graphics processor architecture, join us in a preview architecture breakdown of what is to be expected with AMD VEGA graphics processors.
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Goiur
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 03:11 PM
Thats all?
Thats all?
cowie
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 03:18 PM
^hopefully we all will not be saying that when it does launch
^hopefully we all will not be saying that when it does launch
Endymion
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 03:24 PM
So .. WHEN?
So .. WHEN?
negachampa
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 03:35 PM
Really, still over 6 months away for the high-end VEGA? No wonder Nvidia didn't announce the 1080Ti at CES. They are just waiting for AMD to catch-up and as soon as they do the 1080Ti will be released.
Seems AMD has basically fell a generation behind. Not to soon after VEGA is out, Nvidia will be on to their next gen (end of 2017) and AMD will once again have no answer.
I was really looking forward to seeing something announced at CES for new GPUs.
Really, still over 6 months away for the high-end VEGA? No wonder Nvidia didn't announce the 1080Ti at CES. They are just waiting for AMD to catch-up and as soon as they do the 1080Ti will be released.
Seems AMD has basically fell a generation behind. Not to soon after VEGA is out, Nvidia will be on to their next gen (end of 2017) and AMD will once again have no answer.
I was really looking forward to seeing something announced at CES for new GPUs.
malitze
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 03:41 PM
As always great article Hilbert. Surely makes sense to go enterprise first if it's more profitable, even though I'd like to seem some consumer stuff sooner. There is a lot of catching up to do in the enterprise area.
As always great article Hilbert. Surely makes sense to go enterprise first if it's more profitable, even though I'd like to seem some consumer stuff sooner. There is a lot of catching up to do in the enterprise area.
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 03:52 PM
Thats all I care about.
They said H1 which means Q2 at the earliest, which means April at the earliest.
Assuming all goes well.
Yet if it's April, they could have gotten away by calling it Q1
(look at Zen aka "sampling in Q4 2016")
, so it's proly not April.
Which means May/June.
TL DR;
April at the earliest, realistically more likely May/June.
So .. WHEN?
Thats all I care about.
They said H1 which means Q2 at the earliest, which means April at the earliest.
Assuming all goes well.
Yet if it's April, they could have gotten away by calling it Q1
(look at Zen aka "sampling in Q4 2016")
, so it's proly not April.
Which means May/June.
TL DR;
April at the earliest, realistically more likely May/June.
mattm4
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 03:53 PM
Really, still over 6 months away for the high-end VEGA? No wonder Nvidia didn't announce the 1080Ti at CES. They are just waiting for AMD to catch-up and as soon as they do the 1080Ti will be released.
Seems AMD has basically fell a generation behind. Not to soon after VEGA is out, Nvidia will be on to their next gen (end of 2017) and AMD will once again have no answer.
I was really looking forward to seeing something announced at CES for new GPUs.
Has Nvidia announced when the next Graphic series is coming? I feel even the end of 17 is too soon for the next gpu architecture from Nvidia to be released. I would say more the mid to end of 18.
Really, still over 6 months away for the high-end VEGA? No wonder Nvidia didn't announce the 1080Ti at CES. They are just waiting for AMD to catch-up and as soon as they do the 1080Ti will be released.
Seems AMD has basically fell a generation behind. Not to soon after VEGA is out, Nvidia will be on to their next gen (end of 2017) and AMD will once again have no answer.
I was really looking forward to seeing something announced at CES for new GPUs.
Has Nvidia announced when the next Graphic series is coming? I feel even the end of 17 is too soon for the next gpu architecture from Nvidia to be released. I would say more the mid to end of 18.
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 03:54 PM
This is quite sad really, by the time they release Nvidia will have 1080Ti coming right after it. And then several months later they will release 1180... at 1000$ per card. GG
This is quite sad really, by the time they release Nvidia will have 1080Ti coming right after it. And then several months later they will release 1180... at 1000$ per card. GG
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 03:58 PM
Volta isnt ready and wont be for long time and 1080ti is just crippled TXP.
This is quite sad really, by the time they release Nvidia will have 1080Ti coming right after it. And then several months later they will release 1180... at 1000$ per card. GG
Volta isnt ready and wont be for long time and 1080ti is just crippled TXP.
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 04:02 PM
OK Boss, doesn't this also mean that all Vega reveals so far have been using an enterprise-class gpu and not a consumer version as has been expected? I assume this because I get the impression that the consumer version is not finalised yet.
OK Boss, doesn't this also mean that all Vega reveals so far have been using an enterprise-class gpu and not a consumer version as has been expected? I assume this because I get the impression that the consumer version is not finalised yet.
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 04:03 PM
Someone needs to proofreed these articles. Stumbled upon many weird "typos" like
Someone needs to proofreed these articles. Stumbled upon many weird "typos" like
but you may can expect 8 GB
and was been added
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 04:04 PM
Exactly, even though I wanted to buy a 1080Ti initially, I'm SO GLAD that I got this 1070 at release instead and did not wait. It might be an entire year between the 1070/1080 and 1080Ti release if this go on like this.
Ironically, AMD's delay saved me a lot of money, because at this pace, by the time nvidia release the 1080Ti, the 1180 or whatever it will be called will be literally around the corner.
The only thing left to hope, it that the most high end card of AMD whenever it comes out will be comparable to the 1080Ti (NOT 1070/1080), if that's no the case, like you said, one can be sure the 1180 will be 1000$...
This is quite sad really, by the time they release Nvidia will have 1080Ti coming right after it. And then several months later they will release 1180... at 1000$ per card. GG
Exactly, even though I wanted to buy a 1080Ti initially, I'm SO GLAD that I got this 1070 at release instead and did not wait. It might be an entire year between the 1070/1080 and 1080Ti release if this go on like this.
Ironically, AMD's delay saved me a lot of money, because at this pace, by the time nvidia release the 1080Ti, the 1180 or whatever it will be called will be literally around the corner.
The only thing left to hope, it that the most high end card of AMD whenever it comes out will be comparable to the 1080Ti (NOT 1070/1080), if that's no the case, like you said, one can be sure the 1180 will be 1000$...
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 04:05 PM
Yes and no, the previews that have been shown are running on early sample engineering boards, not MI25 boards. With that in mind, the perf numbers you see remain speculation as the boost frequencies might change (positively).
OK Boss, doesn't this also mean that all Vega reveals so far have been using an enterprise-class gpu and not a consumer version as has been expected? I assume this because I get the impression that the consumer version is not finalised yet.
Yes and no, the previews that have been shown are running on early sample engineering boards, not MI25 boards. With that in mind, the perf numbers you see remain speculation as the boost frequencies might change (positively).
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 04:07 PM
I suppose you are working at Nvidia? We all knew they were waiting for HBM2... there's nothing pointing to further delays. Unless you can share some insider information...
Volta isnt ready and wont be for long time and 1080ti is just crippled TXP.
I suppose you are working at Nvidia? We all knew they were waiting for HBM2... there's nothing pointing to further delays. Unless you can share some insider information...
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 04:15 PM
Really, still over 6 months away for the high-end VEGA? No wonder Nvidia didn't announce the 1080Ti at CES. They are just waiting for AMD to catch-up and as soon as they do the 1080Ti will be released.
Seems AMD has basically fell a generation behind. Not to soon after VEGA is out, Nvidia will be on to their next gen (end of 2017) and AMD will once again have no answer.
I was really looking forward to seeing something announced at CES for new GPUs.
Yep and if we assume that things go like in the past, 1080Ti will be 30% faster than 1080. Could be even more, if they go with HBM2 too. AMD has a lot to do, if they want to be at the top when Vega is out.
Really, still over 6 months away for the high-end VEGA? No wonder Nvidia didn't announce the 1080Ti at CES. They are just waiting for AMD to catch-up and as soon as they do the 1080Ti will be released.
Seems AMD has basically fell a generation behind. Not to soon after VEGA is out, Nvidia will be on to their next gen (end of 2017) and AMD will once again have no answer.
I was really looking forward to seeing something announced at CES for new GPUs.
Yep and if we assume that things go like in the past, 1080Ti will be 30% faster than 1080. Could be even more, if they go with HBM2 too. AMD has a lot to do, if they want to be at the top when Vega is out.
negachampa
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 04:24 PM
What is even more sad is by the time high-end VEGA is released the Titan X would have been out for over a year and AMD still probably will not be able to compete !
I can't see how they could ever catch-up at this point.
What is even more sad is by the time high-end VEGA is released the Titan X would have been out for over a year and AMD still probably will not be able to compete !
I can't see how they could ever catch-up at this point.
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 04:30 PM
Although I would love to see it happen, the reason it won't is because of the lack of what we all want, genuine competition.
Nvidia can easily release a whole new range of cards with just the inclusion of HBM2. The market is allowing them to string out the upgrades bit by bit at their own pace.
Yep and if we assume that things go like in the past, 1080Ti will be 30% faster than 1080. Could be even more, if they go with HBM2 too. AMD has a lot to do, if they want to be at the top when Vega is out.
Although I would love to see it happen, the reason it won't is because of the lack of what we all want, genuine competition.
Nvidia can easily release a whole new range of cards with just the inclusion of HBM2. The market is allowing them to string out the upgrades bit by bit at their own pace.
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 04:33 PM
Volta is already in their Automotive AI computer.
TechReport is saying Vega is between 1070 and 1080 in Doom. Grain of salt needed.
Volta isnt ready and wont be for long time and 1080ti is just crippled TXP.
Volta is already in their Automotive AI computer.
TechReport is saying Vega is between 1070 and 1080 in Doom. Grain of salt needed.
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 04:37 PM
No 1080ti and no VEGA launh dates.
So, if VEGA is really launched at the end of H1, maybe nVidia will never launch the 1080ti and save those chips for a future GTX1180 (crippled GP102, 8 GB GDDR5X@256 bit) and new Titan (full GP102 with 3840 CUDA cores and better clocks, 12 GB DDR5X@384 bits), something similar to Kepler days.
No 1080ti and no VEGA launh dates.
So, if VEGA is really launched at the end of H1, maybe nVidia will never launch the 1080ti and save those chips for a future GTX1180 (crippled GP102, 8 GB GDDR5X@256 bit) and new Titan (full GP102 with 3840 CUDA cores and better clocks, 12 GB DDR5X@384 bits), something similar to Kepler days.
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 04:39 PM
I think it is safe to say no matter what AMD comes up with Nvidia will have something better.
I think it is safe to say no matter what AMD comes up with Nvidia will have something better.
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 05:03 PM
I hope you're wrong for the simple reason that one company dominating leads to anti consumer practices. Lack of competition has led to nvidia managing to turn the 300$ mid size chip to a 600-700$ "high end" product, and intel spends a decade selling quad cores as high end CPU's with minor improvements and no real progress being made (especially single thread performance) (and inflating prices nvidia style, tho less aggressively - relatively speaking). We need a good AMD on both GPU/CPU fronts, even if they dont manage to get the top ultimate enthusiast tier performance product out there, as long as they become relevant again and keep those 2 (interl/nvidia) honest from now on.
I think it is safe to say no matter what AMD comes up with Nvidia will have something better.
I hope you're wrong for the simple reason that one company dominating leads to anti consumer practices. Lack of competition has led to nvidia managing to turn the 300$ mid size chip to a 600-700$ "high end" product, and intel spends a decade selling quad cores as high end CPU's with minor improvements and no real progress being made (especially single thread performance) (and inflating prices nvidia style, tho less aggressively - relatively speaking). We need a good AMD on both GPU/CPU fronts, even if they dont manage to get the top ultimate enthusiast tier performance product out there, as long as they become relevant again and keep those 2 (interl/nvidia) honest from now on.
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 05:08 PM
What is even more sad is by the time high-end VEGA is released the Titan X would have been out for over a year and AMD still probably will not be able to compete !
I can't see how they could ever catch-up at this point.
only 0.00001% of people has afford to buy titan X. So its a fail in that.
What is even more sad is by the time high-end VEGA is released the Titan X would have been out for over a year and AMD still probably will not be able to compete !
I can't see how they could ever catch-up at this point.
only 0.00001% of people has afford to buy titan X. So its a fail in that.
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 05:22 PM
People said that when the Original Titan launched, GTX 780 as well.
Then 290x dropped. And lets not act like the Fury X didnt stay within reach of the 980ti and even beat Titan X at higher resolutions or non nvidia games at times before Vram limitations.
Besides these are non even finished retail samples and you are saying AMD is already dead.
I think it is safe to say no matter what AMD comes up with Nvidia will have something better.
People said that when the Original Titan launched, GTX 780 as well.
Then 290x dropped. And lets not act like the Fury X didnt stay within reach of the 980ti and even beat Titan X at higher resolutions or non nvidia games at times before Vram limitations.
Besides these are non even finished retail samples and you are saying AMD is already dead.
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Posted on: 01/05/2017 05:28 PM
Well I'm kinda puzzled now. Is that really all? They didn't even show the card? Just GPU with HBMs? For me this is even bigger disappointment than the NVIDIA Keynote.
I guess everybody understands what this means. AMD is now whole year behind NVIDIA in enthusiast segment.
Also... If those sealed PCs were running this 500mm2 GPU, with performance very similar to GTX1080, that would be really sad.
Well I'm kinda puzzled now. Is that really all? They didn't even show the card? Just GPU with HBMs? For me this is even bigger disappointment than the NVIDIA Keynote.
I guess everybody understands what this means. AMD is now whole year behind NVIDIA in enthusiast segment.
Also... If those sealed PCs were running this 500mm2 GPU, with performance very similar to GTX1080, that would be really sad.
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Can't wait to get it