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Deus Ex: Mankind Divided PC GPU (DX11 and DX12) performance benchmark review
Posted by: on: 09/08/2016 12:28 PM [
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We take a look at Deus Ex: Mankind Divided for the PC in our usual tech savvy way of graphics performance articles. We'll test the game on the PC platform relative towards graphics card performance with the latest AMD/NVIDIA graphics card drivers. Multiple graphics cards are being tested and benchmarked. We have a look at performance with the newest graphics cards and technologies.
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Undying
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 09:42 PM
Isnt it strange how HH didnt include gtx960/970/980 just 980ti.
Where are the other Maxwell cards?
I feel ya bro!...my setup looks weak too, something gotta be fixed or this game won't sell very well on pc platform.
Isnt it strange how HH didnt include gtx960/970/980 just 980ti.
Where are the other Maxwell cards?
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 09:51 PM
I'm sure he's gonna do an update every few days...changing cards/drivers for every benchmark can take some time.
I'm sure he's gonna do an update every few days...changing cards/drivers for every benchmark can take some time.
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 09:55 PM
The state that PC games are in these days ,it may just be better trying out one of the new next gen consoles that are on there way out soon ,if they have the hardware power we need to have 60fps constant i may consider giving it ago , it would be hell of a lot cheaper than upgrading the PC all the time if you're only playing games and don't mind that controller that comes with the consoles . I mean we spend thousands of pounds every year on our PC hardware and if you're lucky with the game,, maybe you well get 60fps .
Buy a next gen console when they come out and have a extra family holiday every year instead , lol ...
The state that PC games are in these days ,it may just be better trying out one of the new next gen consoles that are on there way out soon ,if they have the hardware power we need to have 60fps constant i may consider giving it ago , it would be hell of a lot cheaper than upgrading the PC all the time if you're only playing games and don't mind that controller that comes with the consoles . I mean we spend thousands of pounds every year on our PC hardware and if you're lucky with the game,, maybe you well get 60fps .
Buy a next gen console when they come out and have a extra family holiday every year instead , lol ...
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 09:56 PM
hopefully I dont want to get new gpu just yet then again i probably wont get the game till its been out altest year by then all the issue should be ironed out and i might even have new gpu by then.
I feel ya bro!...my setup looks weak too, something gotta be fixed or this game won't sell very well on pc platform.
hopefully I dont want to get new gpu just yet then again i probably wont get the game till its been out altest year by then all the issue should be ironed out and i might even have new gpu by then.
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 10:04 PM
yea no, 99% of pc gamers don't
I mean we spend thousands of pounds every year on our PC hardware
yea no, 99% of pc gamers don't
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 10:06 PM
Biggest problem for me here is that this "looks" like a game that on high settings should run at 60 fps at 1080p on my old 7970ghz but the reality is that it takes more than 2x the gpu horsepower to achieve that.
Biggest problem for me here is that this "looks" like a game that on high settings should run at 60 fps at 1080p on my old 7970ghz but the reality is that it takes more than 2x the gpu horsepower to achieve that.
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 10:06 PM
Look, this is a DirectX11 game, if a DirectX11 game favours AMD, that's a big win. I don't care if this engine in particular favours AMD, AMD already have Vulkan and DirectX12 as an advantage (and that is great because I am a Linux user and I expect to see Vulkan to succeed), so if we can add DirectX11 games to that advantage...well...I can only see that as a AMD win.
P.S: Yes, I do like more AMD despite having nVidia hardware. That's because AMD Linux drivers are still unmature.
Gee I wonder why. Hm maybe because the game and engine favours amd over Nvidia?
Look, this is a DirectX11 game, if a DirectX11 game favours AMD, that's a big win. I don't care if this engine in particular favours AMD, AMD already have Vulkan and DirectX12 as an advantage (and that is great because I am a Linux user and I expect to see Vulkan to succeed), so if we can add DirectX11 games to that advantage...well...I can only see that as a AMD win.
P.S: Yes, I do like more AMD despite having nVidia hardware. That's because AMD Linux drivers are still unmature.
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 10:12 PM
You guys remember this? Deus Ex HR, 780ti vs 290X/390X and compare it what is happening now MD :
You guys remember this? Deus Ex HR, 780ti vs 290X/390X and compare it what is happening now MD :
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 10:13 PM
im very excited about this game in general but im waiting for patches & some feedback before committing. im not jumping in headfirst to this one. i loved DX:HR, not as groundbreaking as the first - but a worthy successor. IW left a very bad taste in my mouth, however...
anyway this game doesnt seem to be very well optimized although from the screenshots ive seen it does look nice. thanks for the quick benches!
odd. they dont give you a slider? its just a toggle?
im very excited about this game in general but im waiting for patches & some feedback before committing. im not jumping in headfirst to this one. i loved DX:HR, not as groundbreaking as the first - but a worthy successor. IW left a very bad taste in my mouth, however...
anyway this game doesnt seem to be very well optimized although from the screenshots ive seen it does look nice. thanks for the quick benches!
Quick tip, don't use the ingame sharpen as it is too strong
odd. they dont give you a slider? its just a toggle?
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 10:28 PM
well considering AMD drivers have mass overhead in DX11 vs Nvidia drivers , just like the OpenGL support is horrid compared to Nvidia it is kinda a win?
Which is why AMD show big gains in Vulcan compared to OpenGL and And Nvidia show LESS gains from Vulcan compared to OpenGL
to me that just means the game optimized for AMD which was the same for HR
well considering AMD drivers have mass overhead in DX11 vs Nvidia drivers , just like the OpenGL support is horrid compared to Nvidia it is kinda a win?
Which is why AMD show big gains in Vulcan compared to OpenGL and And Nvidia show LESS gains from Vulcan compared to OpenGL
to me that just means the game optimized for AMD which was the same for HR
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 10:30 PM
But still, natural advantage in DirectX12 and Vulkan plus an advantage in some DirectX11 games because they are optimized for AMD. I see this as great news for AMD users.
But still, natural advantage in DirectX12 and Vulkan plus an advantage in some DirectX11 games because they are optimized for AMD. I see this as great news for AMD users.
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 10:54 PM
learn how to tweak settings and stop judging games based on what happens when the options are all cranked up to ultra
high/very high look perfectly good and run fine on mainstream cards in 1080p/1440p; there's only a handful of settings that really degrade performance.
would you have been happier if the devs just removed the ultra option to keep people from crying "bad port"?
learn how to tweak settings and stop judging games based on what happens when the options are all cranked up to ultra
high/very high look perfectly good and run fine on mainstream cards in 1080p/1440p; there's only a handful of settings that really degrade performance.
would you have been happier if the devs just removed the ultra option to keep people from crying "bad port"?
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 11:02 PM
learn how to tweak settings and stop judging games based on what happens when the options are all cranked up to ultra
high/very high look perfectly good and run fine on mainstream cards in 1080p/1440p; there's only a handful of settings that really degrade performance.
would you have been happier if the devs just removed the ultra option to keep people from crying "bad port"?
Can it do 60fps on medium/high settings on a gtx660?, good ports can do that.
learn how to tweak settings and stop judging games based on what happens when the options are all cranked up to ultra
high/very high look perfectly good and run fine on mainstream cards in 1080p/1440p; there's only a handful of settings that really degrade performance.
would you have been happier if the devs just removed the ultra option to keep people from crying "bad port"?
Can it do 60fps on medium/high settings on a gtx660?, good ports can do that.
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 11:08 PM
sadly i highly doubt it can even on medium, thought I would love to see the 660gtx on that chart
Can it do 60fps on medium/high settings on a gtx660?, good ports can do that.
sadly i highly doubt it can even on medium, thought I would love to see the 660gtx on that chart
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 11:15 PM
is there some sort of unified generally agreed-on measure as to what medium/high settings even are? is there a consensus on what the resolution of a shadowmap has to be for it to be considered "high"?
there's not, and it's all tied to the engine and more or less arbitrary decisions made by the devs.
the gtx 660 is a 4 years old card, what was considered medium/high back then is not necessarily equivalent to what is being considered medium/high now.
Can it do 60fps on medium/high settings on a gtx660?, good ports can do that.
is there some sort of unified generally agreed-on measure as to what medium/high settings even are? is there a consensus on what the resolution of a shadowmap has to be for it to be considered "high"?
there's not, and it's all tied to the engine and more or less arbitrary decisions made by the devs.
the gtx 660 is a 4 years old card, what was considered medium/high back then is not necessarily equivalent to what is being considered medium/high now.
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 11:31 PM
I wonder why isnt 16x anisotropic the default anyway, I've yet to see a game where setting it from off to 16x makes even the slightest difference in performance
I wonder why isnt 16x anisotropic the default anyway, I've yet to see a game where setting it from off to 16x makes even the slightest difference in performance
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 11:41 PM
Who here honestly cares about the dx11 results except people who own nvidia cards.
DX12 is what matters this test is MUTE and pointless but no surprise it was tested here.I like that it's mute. I enjoy reading reviews and don't understand why people these days need audio on everything.
That said, thank you for your insightful performance review, Hilbert.
Who here honestly cares about the dx11 results except people who own nvidia cards.
DX12 is what matters this test is MUTE and pointless but no surprise it was tested here.I like that it's mute. I enjoy reading reviews and don't understand why people these days need audio on everything.
That said, thank you for your insightful performance review, Hilbert.
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 11:43 PM
Changing the CPU to i5 could only give the 480 disadvantage. Higher clocked i7 would probably even improve amd performance if he did the test on his original system.
Nope. AMD's DX11 driver barely takes advantage of HT, unlike NVidia's DX11 which definitely does. The driver is able to spawn worker threads which help to accelerate rendering. When PCGH.de used to test for CPU overhead, you could see it:
Notice how NVidia manages to increase performance with HT enabled, but AMD does not? Anyway, it's just bad testing methodology to change platforms on a retest as it just introduces more variables.
The benchmark is mostly cpu limited. I get the same average running at 1080p and 1440p. Ingame framerates are much better.
I think DX12 will help the benchmark in those cpu limited scenarios.
It might be more CPU limited for you since you're using Crossfire, but generally speaking, the benchmark is very GPU limited:
Changing the CPU to i5 could only give the 480 disadvantage. Higher clocked i7 would probably even improve amd performance if he did the test on his original system.
Nope. AMD's DX11 driver barely takes advantage of HT, unlike NVidia's DX11 which definitely does. The driver is able to spawn worker threads which help to accelerate rendering. When PCGH.de used to test for CPU overhead, you could see it:
Notice how NVidia manages to increase performance with HT enabled, but AMD does not? Anyway, it's just bad testing methodology to change platforms on a retest as it just introduces more variables.
The benchmark is mostly cpu limited. I get the same average running at 1080p and 1440p. Ingame framerates are much better.
I think DX12 will help the benchmark in those cpu limited scenarios.
It might be more CPU limited for you since you're using Crossfire, but generally speaking, the benchmark is very GPU limited:
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Posted on: 08/24/2016 11:56 PM
Indeed, AMD actually benefits more from a good single thread performance on cpu, so core speed is more important than actual hyperthreading in AMD's case. That ofc doesn't mean AMD doesn't benefit from hyperthreading. As rendering is only part what cpu is doing. You do have AI, physics and sound that do scale across remaining cores. In Deus X I do have cpu usage hovering around 60-80% in dense population areas in game, so hyperthreading is used very well with the game. This ofc helps nVidia just like it does help AMD.
Nope. AMD's DX11 driver barely takes advantage of HT, unlike NVidia's DX11 which definitely does.
Indeed, AMD actually benefits more from a good single thread performance on cpu, so core speed is more important than actual hyperthreading in AMD's case. That ofc doesn't mean AMD doesn't benefit from hyperthreading. As rendering is only part what cpu is doing. You do have AI, physics and sound that do scale across remaining cores. In Deus X I do have cpu usage hovering around 60-80% in dense population areas in game, so hyperthreading is used very well with the game. This ofc helps nVidia just like it does help AMD.
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Posted on: 08/25/2016 12:14 AM
the game looks good to me. Very dense in some areas. Character models are good too.
The benchmark looks close to the most demanding of scenes I think.
the game looks good to me. Very dense in some areas. Character models are good too.
The benchmark looks close to the most demanding of scenes I think.
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Posted on: 08/25/2016 12:44 AM
Who here honestly cares about the dx11 results except people who own nvidia cards.
DX12 is what matters this test is MUTE and pointless but no surprise it was tested here.
Where do these f***tards come from?
Who here honestly cares about the dx11 results except people who own nvidia cards.
DX12 is what matters this test is MUTE and pointless but no surprise it was tested here.
Where do these f***tards come from?
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Posted on: 08/25/2016 01:02 AM
Because its made like that on purpose to sell more "high-end" gpus.
I posted this in DeusEx thread,
Its been like that a lot lately, this GI & volumetric lighting, PCSS - meh, VXAO, new Soft shadowing in Division - meh too much shadow detail lost., absurd tessellation levels, Dirt rally volumetric fog see trough thing - meh, post processing e.g. Crysis or DOF (Metro, Ass.Creed, DR3, Quantum Break,..), smoke effects..
All that to coverup dated engine as a whole, this deusEx or Dirt Rally or FarCry3,4 or new Prey or Witcher3 and few more for sure.. Well for me personally nothing next-gen about them just some inbetween smear
Biggest problem for me here is that this "looks" like a game that on high settings should run at 60 fps at 1080p on my old 7970ghz but the reality is that it takes more than 2x the gpu horsepower to achieve that.
Because its made like that on purpose to sell more "high-end" gpus.
I posted this in DeusEx thread,
Yes it looks rather ****ty, only character detail, hair and cloth is great.
From what I saw AI movement and face expression was always bad with this game engine, shame its still here and so obvious.. like if its year 2006 not 2016..
same with visuals at times; outdoors clearly isn't engine's strong point. Sometimes inside too, with too much volumetric lights and GI bloom..
Guess they had to make on purpose crippling effects so its somehow "demanding" game, add some outrageous MSAA combo having hard time with those effects and its done, GPU killer.
From what I saw AI movement and face expression was always bad with this game engine, shame its still here and so obvious.. like if its year 2006 not 2016..
same with visuals at times; outdoors clearly isn't engine's strong point. Sometimes inside too, with too much volumetric lights and GI bloom..
Guess they had to make on purpose crippling effects so its somehow "demanding" game, add some outrageous MSAA combo having hard time with those effects and its done, GPU killer.
Its been like that a lot lately, this GI & volumetric lighting, PCSS - meh, VXAO, new Soft shadowing in Division - meh too much shadow detail lost., absurd tessellation levels, Dirt rally volumetric fog see trough thing - meh, post processing e.g. Crysis or DOF (Metro, Ass.Creed, DR3, Quantum Break,..), smoke effects..
All that to coverup dated engine as a whole, this deusEx or Dirt Rally or FarCry3,4 or new Prey or Witcher3 and few more for sure.. Well for me personally nothing next-gen about them just some inbetween smear
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Posted on: 08/25/2016 01:02 AM
from the great beyond were else
Where do these f***tards come from?
from the great beyond were else
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Posted on: 08/25/2016 01:12 AM
Because its made like that on purpose to sell more "high-end" gpus.
I posted this in DeusEx thread,
Its been like that a lot lately, this GI & volumetric lighting, PCSS - meh, VXAO, new Soft shadowing in Division - meh too much shadow detail lost., absurd tessellation levels, Dirt rally volumetric fog see trough thing - meh, post processing e.g. Crysis or DOF (Metro, Ass.Creed, DR3, Quantum Break,..), smoke effects..
All that to coverup dated engine as a whole, this deusEx or Dirt Rally or FarCry3,4 or new Prey or Witcher3 and few more for sure.. Well for me personally nothing next-gen about them just some inbetween smear
I tend to agree with you. First thing I turn off in most games is any vendor specific "enhancements". Seems like the fancy shadows in this game cut out at a distance and the very high AO causes artifacts. Just seems like amateurish application of "high end" features to earn some PC master race badge of approval. I didn't ask for this $hit.
Because its made like that on purpose to sell more "high-end" gpus.
I posted this in DeusEx thread,
Its been like that a lot lately, this GI & volumetric lighting, PCSS - meh, VXAO, new Soft shadowing in Division - meh too much shadow detail lost., absurd tessellation levels, Dirt rally volumetric fog see trough thing - meh, post processing e.g. Crysis or DOF (Metro, Ass.Creed, DR3, Quantum Break,..), smoke effects..
All that to coverup dated engine as a whole, this deusEx or Dirt Rally or FarCry3,4 or new Prey or Witcher3 and few more for sure.. Well for me personally nothing next-gen about them just some inbetween smear
I tend to agree with you. First thing I turn off in most games is any vendor specific "enhancements". Seems like the fancy shadows in this game cut out at a distance and the very high AO causes artifacts. Just seems like amateurish application of "high end" features to earn some PC master race badge of approval. I didn't ask for this $hit.
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The game runs at solid 60fps@1080 on my 980 on high (without msaa, volumetric lights on, no tesselation), performance wise i have nothing to say.