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Corsair Crystal Series 280X review
Posted by: on: 06/04/2018 02:00 PM [
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We review a new dual-chamber chassis from Corsair, it is the Corsair Crystal Series 280X. Based on the popular Air 240 this is a small mini ITX and Micro ATX form factor chassis that will not just house the smallest, but also the biggest stuff inside your computer. A high-end graphics card and liquid cooling? It is all not an issue, next to that you can now add three tempered glass panels and the options for RGB fans with an included Commanded series RGB fan control that you can control with your iCUE software suite.
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Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 06/04/2018 04:03 PM
Looks amazing, with a nice form factor.
I notice a distinct lack of thermal performance testing in most of Guru3d's latest case reviews. Why is that? I'm going to assume that front panel restricts a lot of airflow, so I hoped to get that info here.
Well .. not in the latest, .. not at all as I've never done them. I've also explained a million times already that I find temperature measurements too subjective as the components inside your PC dictate heat and airflow. One person uses GPU A, another GPU B. The difference can be a blower style cooler or one that dumps heat inside the chassis. You can also argue a GTX 1050 heat versus a GTX 1080 Ti (and similar for AMD Radeon of course). The same goes for CPU cooling, there are a million coolers let alone the effect of say a heat pipe cooler or an exhausting LCS. Some, however, do a bottom rad mount, dumping heat inside the chassis. Then some have high RPM fans, another hate sound, and control them at low RPM.
So any temperature measurement is so incredibly subjective that I just do not see the point of performing them. As subjective as it is, I always check airflow though and make comments about it, much like I stated in this review, airflow simply is not an issue as there are many vents and meshes.
Looks amazing, with a nice form factor.
I notice a distinct lack of thermal performance testing in most of Guru3d's latest case reviews. Why is that? I'm going to assume that front panel restricts a lot of airflow, so I hoped to get that info here.
Well .. not in the latest, .. not at all as I've never done them. I've also explained a million times already that I find temperature measurements too subjective as the components inside your PC dictate heat and airflow. One person uses GPU A, another GPU B. The difference can be a blower style cooler or one that dumps heat inside the chassis. You can also argue a GTX 1050 heat versus a GTX 1080 Ti (and similar for AMD Radeon of course). The same goes for CPU cooling, there are a million coolers let alone the effect of say a heat pipe cooler or an exhausting LCS. Some, however, do a bottom rad mount, dumping heat inside the chassis. Then some have high RPM fans, another hate sound, and control them at low RPM.
So any temperature measurement is so incredibly subjective that I just do not see the point of performing them. As subjective as it is, I always check airflow though and make comments about it, much like I stated in this review, airflow simply is not an issue as there are many vents and meshes.
Unilythe
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Posted on: 06/04/2018 04:29 PM
Well .. not in the latest, .. not at all as I've never done them. I've also explained a million times already that I find temperature measurements too subjective as the components inside your PC dictate heat and airflow. One person uses GPU A, another GPU B. The difference can be a blower style cooler or one that dumps heat inside the chassis. You can also argue a GTX 1050 heat versus a GTX 1080 Ti (and similar for AMD Radeon of course). The same goes for CPU cooling, there are a million coolers let alone the effect of say a heat pipe cooler or an exhausting LCS. Some, however, do a bottom rad mount, dumping heat inside the chassis. Then some have high RPM fans, another hate sound, and control them at low RPM.
So any temperature measurement is so incredibly subjective that I just do not see the point of performing them. As subjective as it is, I always check airflow though and make comments about it, much like I stated in this review, airflow simply is not an issue as there are many vents and meshes.
I must be misremembering then. My bad. I guess I assumed that because I never noticed the lack of thermal testing before, then you must have been doing them before. Guess I was wrong.
Can't disagree with your reasoning, but of course in general some cases have a lot worse airflow than others. Like you said, you did comment on it. I just like something more tangible, no matter how subjective it is. But I definitely see your point.
Well .. not in the latest, .. not at all as I've never done them. I've also explained a million times already that I find temperature measurements too subjective as the components inside your PC dictate heat and airflow. One person uses GPU A, another GPU B. The difference can be a blower style cooler or one that dumps heat inside the chassis. You can also argue a GTX 1050 heat versus a GTX 1080 Ti (and similar for AMD Radeon of course). The same goes for CPU cooling, there are a million coolers let alone the effect of say a heat pipe cooler or an exhausting LCS. Some, however, do a bottom rad mount, dumping heat inside the chassis. Then some have high RPM fans, another hate sound, and control them at low RPM.
So any temperature measurement is so incredibly subjective that I just do not see the point of performing them. As subjective as it is, I always check airflow though and make comments about it, much like I stated in this review, airflow simply is not an issue as there are many vents and meshes.
I must be misremembering then. My bad. I guess I assumed that because I never noticed the lack of thermal testing before, then you must have been doing them before. Guess I was wrong.
Can't disagree with your reasoning, but of course in general some cases have a lot worse airflow than others. Like you said, you did comment on it. I just like something more tangible, no matter how subjective it is. But I definitely see your point.
Koniakki
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Posted on: 06/04/2018 10:07 PM
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Agree. It's too subjective.
Some cases come with 2 fans usually, some with 3 and some with all the fans included(usually low/medium quality), so to get a comparable results which will require extra time/effort from the editor/reviewer and a whole section on its own in the review, would be to always use a specific set of fans(corsair, noctua etc) and populate all case fan mounts, running at a specific rpm speed(~1500rpm?) since some cases are obviously bigger than others.
And use the same exact setup in each one, using the exact same testing procedure in a controlled temperature environment.
It might look/seem easy, but the effort required is substantial and it only covers air cooling. Some use aio in front or top sections which will of course provide different results to any testing if it was done in the review.
It can be done but again as HH said, too subjective.
p.s: Not referring of course to some case that use too much tempered glass(covering air vents) and are very restrictive or those silent version cases optimized for quiet operation, which will be restrictive but usually those are easily picked upon from any editor/reviewer and their restrictiveness is usually mentioned/commented upon, among others if they are/seem restrictive.
^
Agree. It's too subjective.
Some cases come with 2 fans usually, some with 3 and some with all the fans included(usually low/medium quality), so to get a comparable results which will require extra time/effort from the editor/reviewer and a whole section on its own in the review, would be to always use a specific set of fans(corsair, noctua etc) and populate all case fan mounts, running at a specific rpm speed(~1500rpm?) since some cases are obviously bigger than others.
And use the same exact setup in each one, using the exact same testing procedure in a controlled temperature environment.
It might look/seem easy, but the effort required is substantial and it only covers air cooling. Some use aio in front or top sections which will of course provide different results to any testing if it was done in the review.
It can be done but again as HH said, too subjective.
p.s: Not referring of course to some case that use too much tempered glass(covering air vents) and are very restrictive or those silent version cases optimized for quiet operation, which will be restrictive but usually those are easily picked upon from any editor/reviewer and their restrictiveness is usually mentioned/commented upon, among others if they are/seem restrictive.
Koniakki
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Posted on: 06/04/2018 10:56 PM
Btw, sweet ass looking case! 2x 240/280mm rads and some tight bends.. Pure awesomeness!:p
Btw, sweet ass looking case! 2x 240/280mm rads and some tight bends.. Pure awesomeness!:p
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Great review as always, thanks still for doing at least a generic sound test!
Looks amazing, with a nice form factor.
I notice a distinct lack of thermal performance testing in most of Guru3d's latest case reviews. Why is that?
I'm going to assume that front panel restricts a lot of airflow, so I hoped to get that info here.
I guess because it comes down to Hilbert having to test with the exact same hardware, the exact same fans in the cases, or it's not really comparable after all. It's also a lot of work, and as not every piece of hardware stays with him, there's not always time enough to do all those tests.