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Core i7 4770K processor review
Posted by: on: 06/01/2013 03:56 PM [
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Haswell is here, we review the Core i7 4770K processor. The new processor family should be a notch faster, get improved graphics performance and are more energy efficient. Will the Haswell processor series be everything you expected?
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moab600
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 04:22 PM
gonna keep my lovely 2700K, might get another board to oc it further to 5.0ghz. not real improvement over SB or IB.
gonna keep my lovely 2700K, might get another board to oc it further to 5.0ghz. not real improvement over SB or IB.
Darren Hodgson
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 04:25 PM
Thorough review as always but is it me or is the i7-4770K a spectacularly unexciting product? I'm not sure why it was even released when it performs exactly the same as the i7-3770K. If the CPU ran cooler then that might have been something to shout about but, again, it's exactly the same as the 3770K.
My i7-920 is getting on for 5 years old but, right now, I think I'd be better off waiting for the next-gen consoles to come out then buying a 6-core CPU around then. I see absolutely no need to upgrade to Haswell right now although USB 3.0, PCI-E 3.0 (why do the slides on page 6 all show PCI-E 2.0?) and SATAIII would, undoubtedly, be nice things to have. In fact, those things are way more appealing than the CPU upgrade itself.
At one time, CPU upgrades used to be exciting events, promising faster performance in games, but now they seem to offer very little for gamers who already have powerful graphics cards.
Thorough review as always but is it me or is the i7-4770K a spectacularly unexciting product? I'm not sure why it was even released when it performs exactly the same as the i7-3770K. If the CPU ran cooler then that might have been something to shout about but, again, it's exactly the same as the 3770K.
My i7-920 is getting on for 5 years old but, right now, I think I'd be better off waiting for the next-gen consoles to come out then buying a 6-core CPU around then. I see absolutely no need to upgrade to Haswell right now although USB 3.0, PCI-E 3.0 (why do the slides on page 6 all show PCI-E 2.0?) and SATAIII would, undoubtedly, be nice things to have. In fact, those things are way more appealing than the CPU upgrade itself.
At one time, CPU upgrades used to be exciting events, promising faster performance in games, but now they seem to offer very little for gamers who already have powerful graphics cards.
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 04:27 PM
nnot enough of an improvement to bother for me, I dont want another quad core cpu. my freaking phone has a quad core. I will save up for a 6 core or something
nnot enough of an improvement to bother for me, I dont want another quad core cpu. my freaking phone has a quad core. I will save up for a 6 core or something
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 04:29 PM
You are looking at the PCH (south-bridge chipset) which have 2.0 links. The PCIe lanes for Graphics come directly from the processor and are 3.0
Haswell right now although USB 3.0, PCI-E 3.0 (why do the slides on page 6 all show PCI-E 2.0?) and SATAIII would, undoubtedly, be nice things to have. In fact, those things are way more appealing than the CPU upgrade itself.
You are looking at the PCH (south-bridge chipset) which have 2.0 links. The PCIe lanes for Graphics come directly from the processor and are 3.0
PhazeDelta1
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 04:29 PM
Meh. Hurry up and release Haswell-E
Nice review though/
Meh. Hurry up and release Haswell-E
Nice review though/
hallryu
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 04:38 PM
Cracking review.
Intel I am disappoint.
The IGPU performance is great but to release a processor on a new chipset that fails to beat its predecessor in performance and has the same heat issue will see most of us leaving very much alone. As Darren says, his 920 is still going very strong indeed.
Cracking review.
Intel I am disappoint.
The IGPU performance is great but to release a processor on a new chipset that fails to beat its predecessor in performance and has the same heat issue will see most of us leaving very much alone. As Darren says, his 920 is still going very strong indeed.
TheDeeGee
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 04:42 PM
At what Voltage does the memory run in the review?
Because i hear left and right 1.5v or you blow the controller on the CPU, others say it's bull**** and 1.65v is just fine.
I'm really lost now, cuz Memory is the final part i need for my Haswell upgrade.
At what Voltage does the memory run in the review?
Because i hear left and right 1.5v or you blow the controller on the CPU, others say it's bull**** and 1.65v is just fine.
I'm really lost now, cuz Memory is the final part i need for my Haswell upgrade.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 04:46 PM
At what Voltage does the memory run in the review?
Because i hear left and right 1.5v or you blow the controller on the CPU, others say it's bull**** and 1.65v is just fine.
I'm really lost now, cuz Memory is the final part i need for my Haswell upgrade.
I've had 1.65 on the MSI and Gigabyte motherboards with the DDR3 mem at 2400 MHz, I wouldn't worry about it too much really.
At what Voltage does the memory run in the review?
Because i hear left and right 1.5v or you blow the controller on the CPU, others say it's bull**** and 1.65v is just fine.
I'm really lost now, cuz Memory is the final part i need for my Haswell upgrade.
I've had 1.65 on the MSI and Gigabyte motherboards with the DDR3 mem at 2400 MHz, I wouldn't worry about it too much really.
makaveli316
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 04:49 PM
Last year i switched from an old Core 2 Duo E6400 to i5 3570K and the performance gain was obvious.
I'll be good probably for the next 2 years at least.
People who will upgrade to Haswell will be in the same situation i was last year with an old dual core.
The rest will just spend money for no reason just to be in step with the "innovation" and that's not bad either.
Last year i switched from an old Core 2 Duo E6400 to i5 3570K and the performance gain was obvious.
I'll be good probably for the next 2 years at least.
People who will upgrade to Haswell will be in the same situation i was last year with an old dual core.
The rest will just spend money for no reason just to be in step with the "innovation" and that's not bad either.
miffywiffy
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 04:51 PM
Still no point in upgrading then.
Still no point in upgrading then.
Darkest
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 04:53 PM
Not unexpected, yet still disappointing.
Not unexpected, yet still disappointing.
lucidus
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 04:54 PM
What was the revision of the motherboard? Could you check for the USB 3 sleep bug?
What was the revision of the motherboard? Could you check for the USB 3 sleep bug?
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 04:56 PM
Intel has not released a new revision and the USB 3.0 sleep bug only happens with some specific storage units that Intel did not share.
I did connect multiple devices to USB 3.o to replicate that bug, yet was unable to spot it.
Intel has not released a new revision and the USB 3.0 sleep bug only happens with some specific storage units that Intel did not share.
I did connect multiple devices to USB 3.o to replicate that bug, yet was unable to spot it.
Kaleid
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 05:09 PM
"Here's another subtlety you should know about, when Intel released Ivy Bridge people noticed that Ivy Bridge processors overheat quite fast once you pass 1.30 Volts on the processor, which has everything to do with the TIM / Intel Heat-spreader used."
"Here's another subtlety you should know about, when Intel released Ivy Bridge people noticed that Ivy Bridge processors overheat quite fast once you pass 1.30 Volts on the processor, which has everything to do with the TIM / Intel Heat-spreader used."
bucknuts21
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 05:14 PM
Maybe Intel is just trying to give AMD time to catch up for some strange reason. Besides the new MB's that are really nice this reminds me of AMD release of the FX 8150. If you had a 1090T/1100T it was a waste to upgrade just for the CPU. I'm sure the 4770K will sell well because of people wanting new MB's but that's the only reason. Nice review as always.
Maybe Intel is just trying to give AMD time to catch up for some strange reason. Besides the new MB's that are really nice this reminds me of AMD release of the FX 8150. If you had a 1090T/1100T it was a waste to upgrade just for the CPU. I'm sure the 4770K will sell well because of people wanting new MB's but that's the only reason. Nice review as always.
Poulter
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 05:18 PM
Or if you're like me and building a comp from scratch, then it might be useful to get
Maybe Intel is just trying to give AMD time to catch up for some strange reason. Besides the new MB's that are really nice this reminds me of AMD release of the FX 8150. If you had a 1090T/1100T it was a waste to upgrade just for the CPU. I'm sure the 4770K will sell well because of people wanting new MB's but that's the only reason. Nice review as always.
Or if you're like me and building a comp from scratch, then it might be useful to get
Anarion
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 05:21 PM
Looks like I'm going to pass the die shrink version too. 2600K/3770K will last looooong time.
Looks like I'm going to pass the die shrink version too. 2600K/3770K will last looooong time.
TheDeeGee
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 05:26 PM
Ill be getting it anyways.
My SSD isbeing hold back by like 200 MB\s due to SATA 300. My videocard is PCI-E Gen 3 ready which could be a 2-3% gain in performance (not a whole lot i know, but every bit counts). Also my Case is USB 3.0 ready and i got a couple of USB 3.0 devices by now.
X58 is just getting a bit old by now, it's been almost 4 years since i bought it.
Performance might be a bit dissapointing atm, but there will be new BIOS Firmware, Chipset Drivers. I highly doubt i will be throwing away money.
Ill be getting it anyways.
My SSD isbeing hold back by like 200 MB\s due to SATA 300. My videocard is PCI-E Gen 3 ready which could be a 2-3% gain in performance (not a whole lot i know, but every bit counts). Also my Case is USB 3.0 ready and i got a couple of USB 3.0 devices by now.
X58 is just getting a bit old by now, it's been almost 4 years since i bought it.
Performance might be a bit dissapointing atm, but there will be new BIOS Firmware, Chipset Drivers. I highly doubt i will be throwing away money.
lucidus
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 05:34 PM
Intel has not released a new revision and the USB 3.0 sleep bug only happens with some specific storage units that Intel did not share.
I did connect multiple devices to USB 3.o to replicate that bug, yet was unable to spot it.
Thanks for that
How much of an overclock can I expect at stock voltage? My 920 goes upto 3.5 GHz undervolted so something equivalent would be nice.
Ill be getting it anyways.
My SSD isbeing hold back by like 200 MB\s due to SATA 300. My videocard is PCI-E Gen 3 ready which could be a 2-3% gain in performance (not a whole lot i know, but every bit counts). Also my Case is USB 3.0 ready and i got a couple of USB 3.0 devices by now.
X58 is just getting a bit old by now, it's been almost 4 years since i bought it.
Performance might be a bit dissapointing atm, but there will be new BIOS Firmware, Chipset Drivers. I highly doubt i will be throwing away money.
My view is the same. I want the Z87 Deluxe by Asus and SSD's wouldn't work to their full potential on my current build anyway. i'm not sure about hex-cores though as new consoles have such weak processors and we have hyper threading.
Intel has not released a new revision and the USB 3.0 sleep bug only happens with some specific storage units that Intel did not share.
I did connect multiple devices to USB 3.o to replicate that bug, yet was unable to spot it.
Thanks for that
How much of an overclock can I expect at stock voltage? My 920 goes upto 3.5 GHz undervolted so something equivalent would be nice.
Ill be getting it anyways.
My SSD isbeing hold back by like 200 MB\s due to SATA 300. My videocard is PCI-E Gen 3 ready which could be a 2-3% gain in performance (not a whole lot i know, but every bit counts). Also my Case is USB 3.0 ready and i got a couple of USB 3.0 devices by now.
X58 is just getting a bit old by now, it's been almost 4 years since i bought it.
Performance might be a bit dissapointing atm, but there will be new BIOS Firmware, Chipset Drivers. I highly doubt i will be throwing away money.
My view is the same. I want the Z87 Deluxe by Asus and SSD's wouldn't work to their full potential on my current build anyway. i'm not sure about hex-cores though as new consoles have such weak processors and we have hyper threading.
TheDeeGee
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 05:39 PM
Thanks for that How much of an overclock can I expect at stock voltage? My 920 goes upto 3.5 GHz undervolted so something equivalent would be nice.
My view is the same. I want the Z87 Deluxe by Asus and SSD's wouldn't work to their full potential on my current build anyway. i'm not sure about hex-cores though as new consoles have such weak processors and we have hyper threading.
For Gaming Hexa Core is a waste of money. If you do Heavy Video Rendering Hexa Core is what you want.
Thanks for that
How much of an overclock can I expect at stock voltage? My 920 goes upto 3.5 GHz undervolted so something equivalent would be nice.
My view is the same. I want the Z87 Deluxe by Asus and SSD's wouldn't work to their full potential on my current build anyway. i'm not sure about hex-cores though as new consoles have such weak processors and we have hyper threading.
For Gaming Hexa Core is a waste of money. If you do Heavy Video Rendering Hexa Core is what you want.
PhoBos82
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 05:43 PM
If Intel was trying to let AMD catch up, and AMD indeed caught up then they would have to start offering there CPUs at a more competitive price. You know that will never happen.
A nice CPU for new builds but like many have said, no reason to upgrade unless your one of those persons that has to have the newest and greatest * cought * Titan customers *cough*
Maybe Intel is just trying to give AMD time to catch up for some strange reason. Besides the new MB's that are really nice this reminds me of AMD release of the FX 8150. If you had a 1090T/1100T it was a waste to upgrade just for the CPU. I'm sure the 4770K will sell well because of people wanting new MB's but that's the only reason. Nice review as always.
If Intel was trying to let AMD catch up, and AMD indeed caught up then they would have to start offering there CPUs at a more competitive price. You know that will never happen.
A nice CPU for new builds but like many have said, no reason to upgrade unless your one of those persons that has to have the newest and greatest * cought * Titan customers *cough*
Dazz
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 05:54 PM
Pretty disappointing the graphics has been upped yet still well below trinity's, so much for the hype that Intel had going for it's graphics. Sandy bridge was the best and still a fantastic performer and overclocks better too this TIM Intel uses is a useless and should go back to soldering the IHS.
Pretty disappointing the graphics has been upped yet still well below trinity's, so much for the hype that Intel had going for it's graphics. Sandy bridge was the best and still a fantastic performer and overclocks better too this TIM Intel uses is a useless and should go back to soldering the IHS.
scoter man1
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 06:09 PM
"When we place load on the CPU and we see the power draw rise, the system now consumes roughly 1350 Watts."
1350w? Must be some serious overclocking going on there.
"When we place load on the CPU and we see the power draw rise, the system now consumes roughly 1350 Watts."
1350w? Must be some serious overclocking going on there.
The Postman
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Posted on: 06/01/2013 06:11 PM
This is so disappointing. I waited so long to upgrade... I dont even know if I want to now.
This is so disappointing. I waited so long to upgrade... I dont even know if I want to now.
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Thanks for the in depth review Hilbert. Looks like the 3770K is still going very strong.