AMD Ryzen 5 3600X review
Promo: URCDKey Summer Sale Windows 10 Pro for $11
Team Group T-Force 4133 MHz 16GB DDR4 review
ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII HERO (Wi-fi) review
MSI MEG X570 Godlike review
Corsair NightSword RGB gaming mouse review
Corsair MP600 PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD review
Palit GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER JetStream review
MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER Gaming X TRIO review
Palit GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER JetStream review
ASUS ROG Strix X470-I Gaming review
Posted by: on: 05/08/2018 08:30 AM [
69 comment(s) ]
ASUS is back, on 17cm this round, yes we review the all new ROG Strix X470-I Gaming, optimized for Ryzen 2000 / Zen+ on a motherboard that is 17x17cm. It has everything you want, including a full X16 PCIe Gen 3.0 slot for graphics, two M2 slots and all that you can use with last or new-gen Ryzen 5 2600X or Ryzen 7 2700X processors.
Read article
Advertisement
pages 1 2 3
Pawel04
Member
Posts: 64
Member
Posts: 64
Posted on: 05/08/2018 10:26 AM
Thanks for this review Hilbert! Ever since the release of Ryzen been looking to go mini-ITX factor. Time to make a coffee and 'work'.
@Hilbert Hagedoorn: on your conclusion page you mention 'You can mount a GeForce GTX 1080 Ti on there if you wanted too, as well as two super fast NVMe M2 SSDs.' doesnt that mean however, you would need to push the GPU back to x4 mode? How much would this impact gaming performance..?
Thanks for this review Hilbert! Ever since the release of Ryzen been looking to go mini-ITX factor. Time to make a coffee and 'work'.
@Hilbert Hagedoorn: on your conclusion page you mention 'You can mount a GeForce GTX 1080 Ti on there if you wanted too, as well as two super fast NVMe M2 SSDs.' doesnt that mean however, you would need to push the GPU back to x4 mode? How much would this impact gaming performance..?
Hilbert Hagedoorn
Don Vito Corleone
Posts: 35489
Don Vito Corleone
Posts: 35489
Posted on: 05/08/2018 10:37 AM
LED lights....
excuse me while i go heat up some needles so i can poke my eyes out.
Or you select disable in the BIOS and will not be bothered by it ...
LED lights....
excuse me while i go heat up some needles so i can poke my eyes out.
Or you select disable in the BIOS and will not be bothered by it ...
deusex
Senior Member
Posts: 511
Senior Member
Posts: 511
Posted on: 05/08/2018 01:50 PM
That right small is now new sexy! From now on Im building only mini-ITX PC's as they can be as powerful as bigger brothers. Plus the case can be squeezed almost anywhere.
That right small is now new sexy! From now on Im building only mini-ITX PC's as they can be as powerful as bigger brothers. Plus the case can be squeezed almost anywhere.
schmidtbag
Senior Member
Posts: 4130
Senior Member
Posts: 4130
Posted on: 05/08/2018 03:05 PM
Asus seems to have made a lot of odd priorities for this board:
1. The layout it weird, especially the SATA ports.
2. There was definitely room to have 6 audio jacks, but they only fit 3. They could've at least provided a connector for SPDIF.
3. I understand B450 chipsets aren't available yet, but X470 seems overkill.
4. Only 1 HDMI port? There was room for another display connector.
5. No USB type C?
There are boards with half the price that have more/better features than this.
Asus seems to have made a lot of odd priorities for this board:
1. The layout it weird, especially the SATA ports.
2. There was definitely room to have 6 audio jacks, but they only fit 3. They could've at least provided a connector for SPDIF.
3. I understand B450 chipsets aren't available yet, but X470 seems overkill.
4. Only 1 HDMI port? There was room for another display connector.
5. No USB type C?
There are boards with half the price that have more/better features than this.
Legacy-ZA
Member
Posts: 64
Member
Posts: 64
Posted on: 05/08/2018 03:27 PM
I would love to have seen this build in a Mini-ITX case with thermals.
I would love to have seen this build in a Mini-ITX case with thermals.
Bhagat
Junior Member
Posts: 16
Junior Member
Posts: 16
Posted on: 05/08/2018 03:29 PM
And once again, another worthless motherboard review at Guru3D. Considering the fact that I have been following the website for a very long time, I feel ashamed to recommend any of its motherboard reviews to anybody.
And once again, another worthless motherboard review at Guru3D. Considering the fact that I have been following the website for a very long time, I feel ashamed to recommend any of its motherboard reviews to anybody.
schmidtbag
Senior Member
Posts: 4130
Senior Member
Posts: 4130
Posted on: 05/08/2018 03:34 PM
Y'know... complaints are effectively useless when you don't at the very least explain what's wrong and why. Bemoaning about the articles as though they're always bad without stating any reason is not going to fix anything. In my experience, Hilbert is very willing to adjust, if you're polite and state something useful in your criticisms.
And once again, another worthless motherboard review at Guru3D. Considering the fact that I have been following the website for a very long time, I feel ashamed to recommend any of its motherboard reviews to anybody.
Y'know... complaints are effectively useless when you don't at the very least explain what's wrong and why. Bemoaning about the articles as though they're always bad without stating any reason is not going to fix anything. In my experience, Hilbert is very willing to adjust, if you're polite and state something useful in your criticisms.
Bhagat
Junior Member
Posts: 16
Junior Member
Posts: 16
Posted on: 05/08/2018 03:51 PM
Ok, you are one of the few forum members that I actually respect a lot and I was expecting you or some other forum members to reply. Now, the article. Tell me, how do you review a motherboard when all you are doing is comparing the motherboard being reviewed with 20 different processors on other platforms. A motherboard review is a review when it is compared to boards in the same socket and different generations or with boards of other vendors with same/different chipsets. Just taking tests with a processor and throwing it in a chart with a i7-8700K and a Pentium G4560 and a Ryzen 5 1600 and Threadripper and Skylake-X is pointless and useless. How do I make a decision as to which motherboard to buy from the X470 platform? Opening all the reviews of the different X470 boards in different tabs? Why do I need to compare processors from the 3rd gen Core series and the FX series in a goddamn motherboard review of a 2018 platform? Wouldn't it be more USEFUL if AM4 socket boards were pitched against each other following a standard methodology to test how they fare with a single CPU sample being used for all of them and the same cooler(okay that might change according to heat generated)? IMO the only pages where anything fresh and original is found is the 1st page to the last photograph page, the OC page for that CPU-Z screenshot and the last paragraph of the conclusion page. Everything else is pointless.
Y'know... complaints are effectively useless when you don't at the very least explain what's wrong and why. Bemoaning about the articles as though they're always bad without stating any reason is not going to fix anything. In my experience, Hilbert is very willing to adjust, if you're polite and state something useful in your criticisms.
Ok, you are one of the few forum members that I actually respect a lot and I was expecting you or some other forum members to reply. Now, the article. Tell me, how do you review a motherboard when all you are doing is comparing the motherboard being reviewed with 20 different processors on other platforms. A motherboard review is a review when it is compared to boards in the same socket and different generations or with boards of other vendors with same/different chipsets. Just taking tests with a processor and throwing it in a chart with a i7-8700K and a Pentium G4560 and a Ryzen 5 1600 and Threadripper and Skylake-X is pointless and useless. How do I make a decision as to which motherboard to buy from the X470 platform? Opening all the reviews of the different X470 boards in different tabs? Why do I need to compare processors from the 3rd gen Core series and the FX series in a goddamn motherboard review of a 2018 platform? Wouldn't it be more USEFUL if AM4 socket boards were pitched against each other following a standard methodology to test how they fare with a single CPU sample being used for all of them and the same cooler(okay that might change according to heat generated)? IMO the only pages where anything fresh and original is found is the 1st page to the last photograph page, the OC page for that CPU-Z screenshot and the last paragraph of the conclusion page. Everything else is pointless.
Humanoid_1
Senior Member
Posts: 941
Senior Member
Posts: 941
Posted on: 05/08/2018 03:58 PM
Hilbert puts so much into his reviews and makes a point of reading the comments section, very often responding to sensible ideas.
Kinda leaves your comment feeling rather empty... and rather mean considering the huge amount of effort he puts into Guru3D.
@schmidtbag
SPDIF seems great for stereo and some people's amplifiers, but it does not have the bandwidth for HD surround sound. Are they ever planning any updates for it?
( I was forced into SPDIF by my MSI laptop which went out of it's way to disable surround sound channels via HDMI, many people have this issue with various models of MSI gaming laptops. The Latest Win10 17134.1 build fixed HDMI surround audio over HDMI on my laptop btw for anyone interested )
Hilbert puts so much into his reviews and makes a point of reading the comments section, very often responding to sensible ideas.
Kinda leaves your comment feeling rather empty... and rather mean considering the huge amount of effort he puts into Guru3D.
@schmidtbag
SPDIF seems great for stereo and some people's amplifiers, but it does not have the bandwidth for HD surround sound. Are they ever planning any updates for it?
( I was forced into SPDIF by my MSI laptop which went out of it's way to disable surround sound channels via HDMI, many people have this issue with various models of MSI gaming laptops. The Latest Win10 17134.1 build fixed HDMI surround audio over HDMI on my laptop btw for anyone interested )
Bhagat
Junior Member
Posts: 16
Junior Member
Posts: 16
Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:06 PM
Hilbert puts so much into his reviews and makes a point of reading the comments section, very often responding to sensible ideas.
Kinda leaves your comment feeling rather empty... and rather mean considering the huge amount of effort he puts into Guru3D.
@schmidtbag
SPDIF seems great for stereo and some people's amplifiers, but it does not have the bandwidth for HD surround sound. Are they ever planning any updates for it?
( I was forced into SPDIF by my MSI laptop which went out of it's way to disable surround sound channels via HDMI, many people have this issue with various models of MSI gaming laptops. The Latest Win10 17134.1 build fixed HDMI surround audio over HDMI on my laptop btw for anyone interested )
Nothing against how much he puts into the website. I have been following him and the website for literally my entire life. Reading the comments section has nothing to do with what I criticized the review for and I appreciate that he is among the very few reviewers and moderators who do so. I am sorry if my comment hurt you or made you feel it was mean. This was something genuine and considering you had no logical responses to any of the points I made other than "feeling empty", I think somewhere in the back of your mind, you agreed to my thoughts. I love Hilbert's work and its this concern which made me comment today. Had I been not bothered, I wouldn't have commented at all.
Hilbert puts so much into his reviews and makes a point of reading the comments section, very often responding to sensible ideas.
Kinda leaves your comment feeling rather empty... and rather mean considering the huge amount of effort he puts into Guru3D.
@schmidtbag
SPDIF seems great for stereo and some people's amplifiers, but it does not have the bandwidth for HD surround sound. Are they ever planning any updates for it?
( I was forced into SPDIF by my MSI laptop which went out of it's way to disable surround sound channels via HDMI, many people have this issue with various models of MSI gaming laptops. The Latest Win10 17134.1 build fixed HDMI surround audio over HDMI on my laptop btw for anyone interested )
Nothing against how much he puts into the website. I have been following him and the website for literally my entire life. Reading the comments section has nothing to do with what I criticized the review for and I appreciate that he is among the very few reviewers and moderators who do so. I am sorry if my comment hurt you or made you feel it was mean. This was something genuine and considering you had no logical responses to any of the points I made other than "feeling empty", I think somewhere in the back of your mind, you agreed to my thoughts. I love Hilbert's work and its this concern which made me comment today. Had I been not bothered, I wouldn't have commented at all.
schmidtbag
Senior Member
Posts: 4130
Senior Member
Posts: 4130
Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:17 PM
Valid point, but there are 2 things to consider:
1. It's still good to know where the performance stands relative to other competing platforms.
2. There aren't enough 400 series chipsets or motherboards available to test. I get the impression Guru3D doesn't buy any of the motherboards they test.
That being said, I do agree comparing the performance to 300 series chipsets would be a useful benchmark.
I understand what you're asking, but keep in mind Hilbert focuses on more of an objective standpoint, whereas what you're asking here is subjective. Seeing as the CPU and RAM clock-per-clock performance is within 1% of each other between each motherboard, there are only the following reasons to care about what board you get:
1. How well it can overclock.
2. Features that you are seeking, such as BIOS related or available connectors.
3. Misc and obvious things, like dimensions, color scheme, board layout, CPU socket, etc.
4. Price point.
5. Customer support.
These are things that are specific to your build. If a product doesn't meet your checklist, it isn't worth getting. If multiple products meet all of your criteria, get the cheapest one.
So - what is there left for someone like Hilbert to review? To me, that answer comes down to quality, performance, and value. These are things that the average person can't know just by reading a spec sheet. These are what he tests. Does that make more sense?
In my experience, SPDIF's surround sound is plenty good enough. To my knowledge, it operates at 192Kbps. That's low enough that with good headphones I'm sure most people could tell the difference vs 384Kbps, but, for the average surround speaker system in a typical livingroom at a reasonable volume, you'd have a hard time noticing the quality loss. If you're an audiophile with a 5.1 or 7.1 surround system, I would advise against SPDIF.
To my knowledge, the platform is largely dead in the water. It's mostly been obsolete by either USB or HDMI.
Tell me, how do you review a motherboard when all you are doing is comparing the motherboard being reviewed with 20 different processors on other platforms. A motherboard review is a review when it is compared to boards in the same socket and different generations or with boards of other vendors with same/different chipsets.
Valid point, but there are 2 things to consider:
1. It's still good to know where the performance stands relative to other competing platforms.
2. There aren't enough 400 series chipsets or motherboards available to test. I get the impression Guru3D doesn't buy any of the motherboards they test.
That being said, I do agree comparing the performance to 300 series chipsets would be a useful benchmark.
How do I make a decision as to which motherboard to buy from the X470 platform? Opening all the reviews of the different X470 boards in different tabs?
I understand what you're asking, but keep in mind Hilbert focuses on more of an objective standpoint, whereas what you're asking here is subjective. Seeing as the CPU and RAM clock-per-clock performance is within 1% of each other between each motherboard, there are only the following reasons to care about what board you get:
1. How well it can overclock.
2. Features that you are seeking, such as BIOS related or available connectors.
3. Misc and obvious things, like dimensions, color scheme, board layout, CPU socket, etc.
4. Price point.
5. Customer support.
These are things that are specific to your build. If a product doesn't meet your checklist, it isn't worth getting. If multiple products meet all of your criteria, get the cheapest one.
So - what is there left for someone like Hilbert to review? To me, that answer comes down to quality, performance, and value. These are things that the average person can't know just by reading a spec sheet. These are what he tests. Does that make more sense?
SPDIF seems great for stereo and some people's amplifiers, but it does not have the bandwidth for HD surround sound. Are they ever planning any updates for it?
In my experience, SPDIF's surround sound is plenty good enough. To my knowledge, it operates at 192Kbps. That's low enough that with good headphones I'm sure most people could tell the difference vs 384Kbps, but, for the average surround speaker system in a typical livingroom at a reasonable volume, you'd have a hard time noticing the quality loss. If you're an audiophile with a 5.1 or 7.1 surround system, I would advise against SPDIF.
To my knowledge, the platform is largely dead in the water. It's mostly been obsolete by either USB or HDMI.
vbetts
Posts: 14449
Posts: 14449
Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:18 PM
What fun is that? You don't actually need your eyes. :p
But I'm really wanting to build an ITX build now...But monies is holding me back right now, since I need a new mobo, case, psu possibly, and cooler...
Hey wait I missed something! Let's be nice here folks, as my mom says to her grand kids and us as kids if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.
Or you select disable in the BIOS and will not be bothered by it ...
What fun is that? You don't actually need your eyes. :p
But I'm really wanting to build an ITX build now...But monies is holding me back right now, since I need a new mobo, case, psu possibly, and cooler...
Hey wait I missed something! Let's be nice here folks, as my mom says to her grand kids and us as kids if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.
Darkened_Vision
Junior Member
Posts: 3
Junior Member
Posts: 3
Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:20 PM
Hey, so I'll chime in too since I was really looking forward to a review of this board. Here's what I posted on the sff and amd subreddit about this article:
This review doesn't seem to be very thorough or professional. There's a few glaring mistakes or lack of scrutiny in certain parts. He asks the reader to count the phases (6), but didn't bother to remove the heatsink to see if it's a true 6 phase or another combination (it probably is, but I didn't learn any more about power delivery than when I looked at the picture of the board a few weeks ago).
Also, he states there are 2 SATA ports when there are clearly 4 on the board (The BIOS lists 4 as well, shown later in the review). The board even comes with 4 SATA cables, so this is a very obvious mistake.
His overview of overclocking on the board gives no information.
There's a lot of information here but very little of it is relevant to what I was hoping to see.
In retrospect I was a little mean about the way my response was handled, and I'm going to preemptively apologize for the way I worded my above post. In my opinion, the things a review should look for are overclocking capabilities, and features. There's a lot of fluff in this article. 29 pages hardly seems necessary.
I appreciate the work that went into this article, and he did show some good things like the BIOS layout (which looks great per usual, Asus) and a more in-depth look at the hardware, but I was really hoping to see an in-depth look into overclocking on this board. Comparing how the same chip overclocks on this board vs other boards (do you need to add more voltage to compensate for v droop? How does the VRM temperature hold up in longer heavy loads?) would be helpful in future reviews.
This is what I was really looking for in this review today, and came away 29 pages later with no answers to the real questions I had about this board.
Y'know... complaints are effectively useless when you don't at the very least explain what's wrong and why. Bemoaning about the articles as though they're always bad without stating any reason is not going to fix anything. In my experience, Hilbert is very willing to adjust, if you're polite and state something useful in your criticisms.
Hey, so I'll chime in too since I was really looking forward to a review of this board. Here's what I posted on the sff and amd subreddit about this article:
This review doesn't seem to be very thorough or professional. There's a few glaring mistakes or lack of scrutiny in certain parts. He asks the reader to count the phases (6), but didn't bother to remove the heatsink to see if it's a true 6 phase or another combination (it probably is, but I didn't learn any more about power delivery than when I looked at the picture of the board a few weeks ago).
Also, he states there are 2 SATA ports when there are clearly 4 on the board (The BIOS lists 4 as well, shown later in the review). The board even comes with 4 SATA cables, so this is a very obvious mistake.
His overview of overclocking on the board gives no information.
There's a lot of information here but very little of it is relevant to what I was hoping to see.
In retrospect I was a little mean about the way my response was handled, and I'm going to preemptively apologize for the way I worded my above post. In my opinion, the things a review should look for are overclocking capabilities, and features. There's a lot of fluff in this article. 29 pages hardly seems necessary.
I appreciate the work that went into this article, and he did show some good things like the BIOS layout (which looks great per usual, Asus) and a more in-depth look at the hardware, but I was really hoping to see an in-depth look into overclocking on this board. Comparing how the same chip overclocks on this board vs other boards (do you need to add more voltage to compensate for v droop? How does the VRM temperature hold up in longer heavy loads?) would be helpful in future reviews.
This is what I was really looking for in this review today, and came away 29 pages later with no answers to the real questions I had about this board.
Embra
Senior Member
Posts: 866
Senior Member
Posts: 866
Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:23 PM
I plan to upgrade on Ryzen 2. I am really temped to go ITX now.
My 1700x going to become my productivity machine, and my 4970k going to me nephew.
I plan to upgrade on Ryzen 2. I am really temped to go ITX now.
My 1700x going to become my productivity machine, and my 4970k going to me nephew.
vbetts
Posts: 14449
Posts: 14449
Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:33 PM
Last warning on this topic. If you have any concerns, guys take it up with any staff member instead of posting it here please!
Last warning on this topic. If you have any concerns, guys take it up with any staff member instead of posting it here please!
schmidtbag
Senior Member
Posts: 4130
Senior Member
Posts: 4130
Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:34 PM
Depending on your budget and what you already have on-hand, you might be able to get started sooner than you think. You could temporarily use a mATX or ATX case until you can afford a new one, and if you get a Ryzen with a box cooler, that ought to hold you over just fine until you can afford a new/better one - the stock heatsinks are surprisingly effective and quiet. That being said, if you hold off OCing just a little bit, you could probably use some crappy 300W PSU from a junked Dell to hold you over. So that just leaves you needing to buy the mobo and CPU (I'm guessing you already have RAM? You didn't mention that).
But I'm really wanting to build an ITX build now...But monies is holding me back right now, since I need a new mobo, case, psu possibly, and cooler...
Depending on your budget and what you already have on-hand, you might be able to get started sooner than you think. You could temporarily use a mATX or ATX case until you can afford a new one, and if you get a Ryzen with a box cooler, that ought to hold you over just fine until you can afford a new/better one - the stock heatsinks are surprisingly effective and quiet. That being said, if you hold off OCing just a little bit, you could probably use some crappy 300W PSU from a junked Dell to hold you over. So that just leaves you needing to buy the mobo and CPU (I'm guessing you already have RAM? You didn't mention that).
Hilbert Hagedoorn
Don Vito Corleone
Posts: 35489
Don Vito Corleone
Posts: 35489
Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:39 PM
No, your GPU would run at x8 PCIe Gen3, and not even a 1080 Ti would full that up in terms of bandwidth. Realistically though, how many people would actually use 2x M2? I think most will use just one for the OS and then add SATA3 SSDs/HDDs for volume storage.
BTW there was a mistake in the review, listing just two SATA3 ports, it obviously has four. This has been corrected.
doesnt that mean however, you would need to push the GPU back to x4 mode? How much would this impact gaming performance..?
No, your GPU would run at x8 PCIe Gen3, and not even a 1080 Ti would full that up in terms of bandwidth. Realistically though, how many people would actually use 2x M2? I think most will use just one for the OS and then add SATA3 SSDs/HDDs for volume storage.
BTW there was a mistake in the review, listing just two SATA3 ports, it obviously has four. This has been corrected.
Bhagat
Junior Member
Posts: 16
Junior Member
Posts: 16
Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:41 PM
Valid point, but there are 2 things to consider:
1. It's still good to know where the performance stands relative to other competing platforms.
Pointless, the CPU review exist for that.
2. There aren't enough 400 series chipsets or motherboards available to test. I get the impression Guru3D doesn't buy any of the motherboards they test.
That being said, I do agree comparing the performance to 300 series chipsets would be a useful benchmark.
More than enough 400 series reviews exists on this website. I don't ask him to do something that's not available. He has already done those reviews. Just post their numbers in a table and make an article.
I understand what you're asking, but keep in mind Hilbert focuses on more of an objective standpoint, whereas what you're asking here is subjective. Seeing as the CPU and RAM clock-per-clock performance is within 1% of each other between each motherboard, there are only the following reasons to care about what board you get:
1. How well it can overclock.
2. Features that you are seeking, such as BIOS related or available connectors.
3. Misc and obvious things, like dimensions, color scheme, board layout, CPU socket, etc.
4. Price point.
5. Customer support.
These are things that are specific to your build. If a product doesn't meet your checklist, it isn't worth getting. If multiple products meet all of your criteria, get the cheapest one.
You destroy your own standpoint with the sentence you wrote after this. And like I said, everything that you state above is available on Pages 1 to 6, 28 and 29. What Hilbert has to give is his opinion on how the boards stack up against each other. He is the Don here. We don't want numbers about Intel and AMD processors in an Asus motherboard review. We want to know how it compares to other boards from the competitors, how the VRMs handle the heat, how well it overclocks, how much voltage he needed, memory support and stuff IN HIS OWN WORDS because we trust him, not a article written as if like a bot with 20 or so worthless pages of same stuff being repeated every year.
Hey, so I'll chime in too since I was really looking forward to a review of this board. Here's what I posted on the sff and amd subreddit about this article:
This review doesn't seem to be very thorough or professional. There's a few glaring mistakes or lack of scrutiny in certain parts. He asks the reader to count the phases (6), but didn't bother to remove the heatsink to see if it's a true 6 phase or another combination (it probably is, but I didn't learn any more about power delivery than when I looked at the picture of the board a few weeks ago).
Also, he states there are 2 SATA ports when there are clearly 4 on the board (The BIOS lists 4 as well, shown later in the review). The board even comes with 4 SATA cables, so this is a very obvious mistake.
His overview of overclocking on the board gives no information.
There's a lot of information here but very little of it is relevant to what I was hoping to see.
In retrospect I was a little mean about the way my response was handled, and I'm going to preemptively apologize for the way I worded my above post. In my opinion, the things a review should look for are overclocking capabilities, and features. There's a lot of fluff in this article. 29 pages hardly seems necessary.
I appreciate the work that went into this article, and he did show some good things like the BIOS layout (which looks great per usual, Asus) and a more in-depth look at the hardware, but I was really hoping to see an in-depth look into overclocking on this board. Comparing how the same chip overclocks on this board vs other boards (do you need to add more voltage to compensate for v droop? How does the VRM temperature hold up in longer heavy loads?) would be helpful in future reviews.
This is what I was really looking for in this review today, and came away 29 pages later with no answers to the real questions I had about this board.
Finally, somebody who understands. IMO the best motherboard reviews come from OC3D's Tiny Tom Logan, BitTech.net and AnandTech(though they are complete Intel suckers, I mean who does 15 X299 reviews over a year and just 6 AM4 reviews with boards that no one buys and also being reviewed at least 6-7 months after launch, half of them being done last month only). There are countless otherswho do good reviews but sadly, the person I want has 29 pages of worthless tables.
Valid point, but there are 2 things to consider:
1. It's still good to know where the performance stands relative to other competing platforms.
Pointless, the CPU review exist for that.
2. There aren't enough 400 series chipsets or motherboards available to test. I get the impression Guru3D doesn't buy any of the motherboards they test.
That being said, I do agree comparing the performance to 300 series chipsets would be a useful benchmark.
More than enough 400 series reviews exists on this website. I don't ask him to do something that's not available. He has already done those reviews. Just post their numbers in a table and make an article.
I understand what you're asking, but keep in mind Hilbert focuses on more of an objective standpoint, whereas what you're asking here is subjective. Seeing as the CPU and RAM clock-per-clock performance is within 1% of each other between each motherboard, there are only the following reasons to care about what board you get:
1. How well it can overclock.
2. Features that you are seeking, such as BIOS related or available connectors.
3. Misc and obvious things, like dimensions, color scheme, board layout, CPU socket, etc.
4. Price point.
5. Customer support.
These are things that are specific to your build. If a product doesn't meet your checklist, it isn't worth getting. If multiple products meet all of your criteria, get the cheapest one.
You destroy your own standpoint with the sentence you wrote after this. And like I said, everything that you state above is available on Pages 1 to 6, 28 and 29. What Hilbert has to give is his opinion on how the boards stack up against each other. He is the Don here. We don't want numbers about Intel and AMD processors in an Asus motherboard review. We want to know how it compares to other boards from the competitors, how the VRMs handle the heat, how well it overclocks, how much voltage he needed, memory support and stuff IN HIS OWN WORDS because we trust him, not a article written as if like a bot with 20 or so worthless pages of same stuff being repeated every year.
Hey, so I'll chime in too since I was really looking forward to a review of this board. Here's what I posted on the sff and amd subreddit about this article:
This review doesn't seem to be very thorough or professional. There's a few glaring mistakes or lack of scrutiny in certain parts. He asks the reader to count the phases (6), but didn't bother to remove the heatsink to see if it's a true 6 phase or another combination (it probably is, but I didn't learn any more about power delivery than when I looked at the picture of the board a few weeks ago).
Also, he states there are 2 SATA ports when there are clearly 4 on the board (The BIOS lists 4 as well, shown later in the review). The board even comes with 4 SATA cables, so this is a very obvious mistake.
His overview of overclocking on the board gives no information.
There's a lot of information here but very little of it is relevant to what I was hoping to see.
In retrospect I was a little mean about the way my response was handled, and I'm going to preemptively apologize for the way I worded my above post. In my opinion, the things a review should look for are overclocking capabilities, and features. There's a lot of fluff in this article. 29 pages hardly seems necessary.
I appreciate the work that went into this article, and he did show some good things like the BIOS layout (which looks great per usual, Asus) and a more in-depth look at the hardware, but I was really hoping to see an in-depth look into overclocking on this board. Comparing how the same chip overclocks on this board vs other boards (do you need to add more voltage to compensate for v droop? How does the VRM temperature hold up in longer heavy loads?) would be helpful in future reviews.
This is what I was really looking for in this review today, and came away 29 pages later with no answers to the real questions I had about this board.
Finally, somebody who understands. IMO the best motherboard reviews come from OC3D's Tiny Tom Logan, BitTech.net and AnandTech(though they are complete Intel suckers, I mean who does 15 X299 reviews over a year and just 6 AM4 reviews with boards that no one buys and also being reviewed at least 6-7 months after launch, half of them being done last month only). There are countless otherswho do good reviews but sadly, the person I want has 29 pages of worthless tables.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
Don Vito Corleone
Posts: 35489
Don Vito Corleone
Posts: 35489
Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:42 PM
Clearly, this website is not for you any longer, you should really move onwards towards other websites and forums to post your shameless, distasteful and respectless insults there. That's all I am, going to shed on your comment though.
And once again, another worthless motherboard review at Guru3D. Considering the fact that I have been following the website for a very long time, I feel ashamed to recommend any of its motherboard reviews to anybody.
Clearly, this website is not for you any longer, you should really move onwards towards other websites and forums to post your shameless, distasteful and respectless insults there. That's all I am, going to shed on your comment though.
Vitrify
Junior Member
Posts: 2
Junior Member
Posts: 2
Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:43 PM
I can't find this motherboard available anywhere. Everywhere is out of stock or backorder. Do you guys know when it'll be released?
I can't find this motherboard available anywhere. Everywhere is out of stock or backorder. Do you guys know when it'll be released?
vbetts
Posts: 14449
Posts: 14449
Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:51 PM
I have the Ryzen 1700 under Cryorig H7, Asrock x370 Pro, and Corsair Vengeance ddr4 3000 16gb kit, but I'd have to sell the motherboard, psu, and case. Which the case not too worried about since it's the Cougar MX330 that I got super cheap so I can take a hit on that or use it in a build to sell later. Also want to upgrade my 480, but gpu prices man...
Depending on your budget and what you already have on-hand, you might be able to get started sooner than you think. You could temporarily use a mATX or ATX case until you can afford a new one, and if you get a Ryzen with a box cooler, that ought to hold you over just fine until you can afford a new/better one - the stock heatsinks are surprisingly effective and quiet. That being said, if you hold off OCing just a little bit, you could probably use some crappy 300W PSU from a junked Dell to hold you over. So that just leaves you needing to buy the mobo and CPU (I'm guessing you already have RAM? You didn't mention that).
I have the Ryzen 1700 under Cryorig H7, Asrock x370 Pro, and Corsair Vengeance ddr4 3000 16gb kit, but I'd have to sell the motherboard, psu, and case. Which the case not too worried about since it's the Cougar MX330 that I got super cheap so I can take a hit on that or use it in a build to sell later. Also want to upgrade my 480, but gpu prices man...
Agent-A01
Senior Member
Posts: 11350
Senior Member
Posts: 11350
Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:59 PM
Some fair points were made here.
Thing is, all reviewers seem to cover different areas more-so than others.
When I'm set on buying a product, I'll read all the reviews I can across multiple websites to come to a conclusion on whether I want to purchase it.
Sure, reviewer A might go into a more in-depth review of analyzing the circuitry but won't cover other aspects as well a reviewer B.
It's no different than car reviews.
Someone's looking to buy a new Mclaren performance car.
Reviewer A only goes over features, interior, etc but does not cover 0-60, braking test or quarter mile that reviewer B does.
So you just have to gather all the information you can across several reviews, no big deal.
It's a lot of work to write an article and test something as it is; trying to compile what every other reviewer does into one review will be too much for one person to do IMO.
AFAIK HH is a one-man army, whereas tomshardware will have multiple people helping in creating an article.
Ok, you are one of the few forum members that I actually respect a lot and I was expecting you or some other forum members to reply. Now, the article. Tell me, how do you review a motherboard when all you are doing is comparing the motherboard being reviewed with 20 different processors on other platforms. A motherboard review is a review when it is compared to boards in the same socket and different generations or with boards of other vendors with same/different chipsets. Just taking tests with a processor and throwing it in a chart with a i7-8700K and a Pentium G4560 and a Ryzen 5 1600 and Threadripper and Skylake-X is pointless and useless. How do I make a decision as to which motherboard to buy from the X470 platform? Opening all the reviews of the different X470 boards in different tabs? Why do I need to compare processors from the 3rd gen Core series and the FX series in a goddamn motherboard review of a 2018 platform? Wouldn't it be more USEFUL if AM4 socket boards were pitched against each other following a standard methodology to test how they fare with a single CPU sample being used for all of them and the same cooler(okay that might change according to heat generated)? IMO the only pages where anything fresh and original is found is the 1st page to the last photograph page, the OC page for that CPU-Z screenshot and the last paragraph of the conclusion page. Everything else is pointless.
Some fair points were made here.
Thing is, all reviewers seem to cover different areas more-so than others.
When I'm set on buying a product, I'll read all the reviews I can across multiple websites to come to a conclusion on whether I want to purchase it.
Sure, reviewer A might go into a more in-depth review of analyzing the circuitry but won't cover other aspects as well a reviewer B.
It's no different than car reviews.
Someone's looking to buy a new Mclaren performance car.
Reviewer A only goes over features, interior, etc but does not cover 0-60, braking test or quarter mile that reviewer B does.
So you just have to gather all the information you can across several reviews, no big deal.
It's a lot of work to write an article and test something as it is; trying to compile what every other reviewer does into one review will be too much for one person to do IMO.
AFAIK HH is a one-man army, whereas tomshardware will have multiple people helping in creating an article.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
Don Vito Corleone
Posts: 35489
Don Vito Corleone
Posts: 35489
Posted on: 05/08/2018 05:00 PM
The overclocks are all the same really. Your bottleneck is the processor, not the motherboard unless it would be really poorly built). Basically, all motherboard will perform roughly the same, all tweaks will be extremely similar and all CPU OC results as such also will be incredibly similar as I use the same proc. I've been mentioning this in all articles, and that is the reality of Ryzen.
I am doing the tweaking bit in the processor reviews as you have noticed. Dropping down to the level of explaining vdroop and measuring VRM temps, I can see your point sure, but in the end, we write for a generic audience that understands a bit of voltage tweaking and multipliers, not the nearly pro-overclocking enthusiasts - which is what you are asking.
Also, where will it end with articles if I keep measuring every variable and register available? These reviews already eat up 3 days of work and apparently it's still not enough. There simply have to limits time wise. Not all question can be answered for everybody, but the majority of people (hopefully) enjoy what I offer in these motherboards reviews, incl performance metrics from CPU, memory, storage, WIFI and gaming.
BTW the mention of 2 sata ports were obviously incorrect, thanks for bringing this to my attention. Fixed.
Comparing how the same chip overclocks on this board vs other boards (do you need to add more voltage to compensate for v droop? How does the VRM temperature hold up in longer heavy loads?) would be helpful in future reviews.
The overclocks are all the same really. Your bottleneck is the processor, not the motherboard unless it would be really poorly built). Basically, all motherboard will perform roughly the same, all tweaks will be extremely similar and all CPU OC results as such also will be incredibly similar as I use the same proc. I've been mentioning this in all articles, and that is the reality of Ryzen.
I am doing the tweaking bit in the processor reviews as you have noticed. Dropping down to the level of explaining vdroop and measuring VRM temps, I can see your point sure, but in the end, we write for a generic audience that understands a bit of voltage tweaking and multipliers, not the nearly pro-overclocking enthusiasts - which is what you are asking.
Also, where will it end with articles if I keep measuring every variable and register available? These reviews already eat up 3 days of work and apparently it's still not enough. There simply have to limits time wise. Not all question can be answered for everybody, but the majority of people (hopefully) enjoy what I offer in these motherboards reviews, incl performance metrics from CPU, memory, storage, WIFI and gaming.
BTW the mention of 2 sata ports were obviously incorrect, thanks for bringing this to my attention. Fixed.
Bhagat
Junior Member
Posts: 16
Junior Member
Posts: 16
Posted on: 05/08/2018 05:02 PM
If you have been following the thread, we have been talking quite sensibly and in a civil manner since I posted the first comment and clearly many other people seem to feel so including @schmidtbag . I even apologized for the mean way I posted the first comment in the following reply and said I appreciated your hard work but it could be invested in a better way for the website.
Dear Hilbert, I respect you and your opinions a lot and keep coming back to this website about 5 times a day to check for new articles and posts. But it clearly seems you are too determined to not take any constructive criticism and have a problem with anybody that tries to have a different opinion other than you. The way you replied clearly shows how things have gotten bad. You could have been civil and put me off in a gentlemanly way. The only "insult" if you call it so was the word "worthless" and I explained why I said so. Now I am sure many people here will jump up to blindly support you like the person who replied to me immediately following my first post where he had no counter arguments other than he loved you a lot. Just like everybody else as well as me. I love your articles and care about them and this is why I am taking out the time to write these. Had I not cared, I wouldn't have bothered. Trust me, 90% of your followers don't read more than 2 lines in these motherboard reviews except look at the pictures and then they post, "Great review Hilbert" because they love you, not the article. Anyways, I wrote all this to point out the fact that no one knows or cares about Guru3D like they used to back in the days because of these lackluster articles. Hope it gets to you, because you seem to be getting more upset when criticism is thrown at you. Good day.
Clearly, this website is not for you any longer, you should really move onwards towards other websites and forums to post your shameless, distasteful and respectless insults there. That's all I am, going to shed on this comment though.
If you have been following the thread, we have been talking quite sensibly and in a civil manner since I posted the first comment and clearly many other people seem to feel so including @schmidtbag . I even apologized for the mean way I posted the first comment in the following reply and said I appreciated your hard work but it could be invested in a better way for the website.
Dear Hilbert, I respect you and your opinions a lot and keep coming back to this website about 5 times a day to check for new articles and posts. But it clearly seems you are too determined to not take any constructive criticism and have a problem with anybody that tries to have a different opinion other than you. The way you replied clearly shows how things have gotten bad. You could have been civil and put me off in a gentlemanly way. The only "insult" if you call it so was the word "worthless" and I explained why I said so. Now I am sure many people here will jump up to blindly support you like the person who replied to me immediately following my first post where he had no counter arguments other than he loved you a lot. Just like everybody else as well as me. I love your articles and care about them and this is why I am taking out the time to write these. Had I not cared, I wouldn't have bothered. Trust me, 90% of your followers don't read more than 2 lines in these motherboard reviews except look at the pictures and then they post, "Great review Hilbert" because they love you, not the article. Anyways, I wrote all this to point out the fact that no one knows or cares about Guru3D like they used to back in the days because of these lackluster articles. Hope it gets to you, because you seem to be getting more upset when criticism is thrown at you. Good day.
pages 1 2 3
Click here to post a comment for this article on the message forum.
Senior Member
Posts: 2400
LED lights....
excuse me while i go heat up some needles so i can poke my eyes out.