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ASUS ROG Strix X470-I Gaming review
Posted by: on: 05/08/2018 08:30 AM [
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ASUS is back, on 17cm this round, yes we review the all new ROG Strix X470-I Gaming, optimized for Ryzen 2000 / Zen+ on a motherboard that is 17x17cm. It has everything you want, including a full X16 PCIe Gen 3.0 slot for graphics, two M2 slots and all that you can use with last or new-gen Ryzen 5 2600X or Ryzen 7 2700X processors.
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schmidtbag
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:17 PM
Valid point, but there are 2 things to consider:
1. It's still good to know where the performance stands relative to other competing platforms.
2. There aren't enough 400 series chipsets or motherboards available to test. I get the impression Guru3D doesn't buy any of the motherboards they test.
That being said, I do agree comparing the performance to 300 series chipsets would be a useful benchmark.
I understand what you're asking, but keep in mind Hilbert focuses on more of an objective standpoint, whereas what you're asking here is subjective. Seeing as the CPU and RAM clock-per-clock performance is within 1% of each other between each motherboard, there are only the following reasons to care about what board you get:
1. How well it can overclock.
2. Features that you are seeking, such as BIOS related or available connectors.
3. Misc and obvious things, like dimensions, color scheme, board layout, CPU socket, etc.
4. Price point.
5. Customer support.
These are things that are specific to your build. If a product doesn't meet your checklist, it isn't worth getting. If multiple products meet all of your criteria, get the cheapest one.
So - what is there left for someone like Hilbert to review? To me, that answer comes down to quality, performance, and value. These are things that the average person can't know just by reading a spec sheet. These are what he tests. Does that make more sense?
In my experience, SPDIF's surround sound is plenty good enough. To my knowledge, it operates at 192Kbps. That's low enough that with good headphones I'm sure most people could tell the difference vs 384Kbps, but, for the average surround speaker system in a typical livingroom at a reasonable volume, you'd have a hard time noticing the quality loss. If you're an audiophile with a 5.1 or 7.1 surround system, I would advise against SPDIF.
To my knowledge, the platform is largely dead in the water. It's mostly been obsolete by either USB or HDMI.
Tell me, how do you review a motherboard when all you are doing is comparing the motherboard being reviewed with 20 different processors on other platforms. A motherboard review is a review when it is compared to boards in the same socket and different generations or with boards of other vendors with same/different chipsets.
Valid point, but there are 2 things to consider:
1. It's still good to know where the performance stands relative to other competing platforms.
2. There aren't enough 400 series chipsets or motherboards available to test. I get the impression Guru3D doesn't buy any of the motherboards they test.
That being said, I do agree comparing the performance to 300 series chipsets would be a useful benchmark.
How do I make a decision as to which motherboard to buy from the X470 platform? Opening all the reviews of the different X470 boards in different tabs?
I understand what you're asking, but keep in mind Hilbert focuses on more of an objective standpoint, whereas what you're asking here is subjective. Seeing as the CPU and RAM clock-per-clock performance is within 1% of each other between each motherboard, there are only the following reasons to care about what board you get:
1. How well it can overclock.
2. Features that you are seeking, such as BIOS related or available connectors.
3. Misc and obvious things, like dimensions, color scheme, board layout, CPU socket, etc.
4. Price point.
5. Customer support.
These are things that are specific to your build. If a product doesn't meet your checklist, it isn't worth getting. If multiple products meet all of your criteria, get the cheapest one.
So - what is there left for someone like Hilbert to review? To me, that answer comes down to quality, performance, and value. These are things that the average person can't know just by reading a spec sheet. These are what he tests. Does that make more sense?
SPDIF seems great for stereo and some people's amplifiers, but it does not have the bandwidth for HD surround sound. Are they ever planning any updates for it?
In my experience, SPDIF's surround sound is plenty good enough. To my knowledge, it operates at 192Kbps. That's low enough that with good headphones I'm sure most people could tell the difference vs 384Kbps, but, for the average surround speaker system in a typical livingroom at a reasonable volume, you'd have a hard time noticing the quality loss. If you're an audiophile with a 5.1 or 7.1 surround system, I would advise against SPDIF.
To my knowledge, the platform is largely dead in the water. It's mostly been obsolete by either USB or HDMI.
vbetts
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:18 PM
What fun is that? You don't actually need your eyes. :p
But I'm really wanting to build an ITX build now...But monies is holding me back right now, since I need a new mobo, case, psu possibly, and cooler...
Hey wait I missed something! Let's be nice here folks, as my mom says to her grand kids and us as kids if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.
Or you select disable in the BIOS and will not be bothered by it ...
What fun is that? You don't actually need your eyes. :p
But I'm really wanting to build an ITX build now...But monies is holding me back right now, since I need a new mobo, case, psu possibly, and cooler...
Hey wait I missed something! Let's be nice here folks, as my mom says to her grand kids and us as kids if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.
Darkened_Vision
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:20 PM
Hey, so I'll chime in too since I was really looking forward to a review of this board. Here's what I posted on the sff and amd subreddit about this article:
This review doesn't seem to be very thorough or professional. There's a few glaring mistakes or lack of scrutiny in certain parts. He asks the reader to count the phases (6), but didn't bother to remove the heatsink to see if it's a true 6 phase or another combination (it probably is, but I didn't learn any more about power delivery than when I looked at the picture of the board a few weeks ago).
Also, he states there are 2 SATA ports when there are clearly 4 on the board (The BIOS lists 4 as well, shown later in the review). The board even comes with 4 SATA cables, so this is a very obvious mistake.
His overview of overclocking on the board gives no information.
There's a lot of information here but very little of it is relevant to what I was hoping to see.
In retrospect I was a little mean about the way my response was handled, and I'm going to preemptively apologize for the way I worded my above post. In my opinion, the things a review should look for are overclocking capabilities, and features. There's a lot of fluff in this article. 29 pages hardly seems necessary.
I appreciate the work that went into this article, and he did show some good things like the BIOS layout (which looks great per usual, Asus) and a more in-depth look at the hardware, but I was really hoping to see an in-depth look into overclocking on this board. Comparing how the same chip overclocks on this board vs other boards (do you need to add more voltage to compensate for v droop? How does the VRM temperature hold up in longer heavy loads?) would be helpful in future reviews.
This is what I was really looking for in this review today, and came away 29 pages later with no answers to the real questions I had about this board.
Y'know... complaints are effectively useless when you don't at the very least explain what's wrong and why. Bemoaning about the articles as though they're always bad without stating any reason is not going to fix anything. In my experience, Hilbert is very willing to adjust, if you're polite and state something useful in your criticisms.
Hey, so I'll chime in too since I was really looking forward to a review of this board. Here's what I posted on the sff and amd subreddit about this article:
This review doesn't seem to be very thorough or professional. There's a few glaring mistakes or lack of scrutiny in certain parts. He asks the reader to count the phases (6), but didn't bother to remove the heatsink to see if it's a true 6 phase or another combination (it probably is, but I didn't learn any more about power delivery than when I looked at the picture of the board a few weeks ago).
Also, he states there are 2 SATA ports when there are clearly 4 on the board (The BIOS lists 4 as well, shown later in the review). The board even comes with 4 SATA cables, so this is a very obvious mistake.
His overview of overclocking on the board gives no information.
There's a lot of information here but very little of it is relevant to what I was hoping to see.
In retrospect I was a little mean about the way my response was handled, and I'm going to preemptively apologize for the way I worded my above post. In my opinion, the things a review should look for are overclocking capabilities, and features. There's a lot of fluff in this article. 29 pages hardly seems necessary.
I appreciate the work that went into this article, and he did show some good things like the BIOS layout (which looks great per usual, Asus) and a more in-depth look at the hardware, but I was really hoping to see an in-depth look into overclocking on this board. Comparing how the same chip overclocks on this board vs other boards (do you need to add more voltage to compensate for v droop? How does the VRM temperature hold up in longer heavy loads?) would be helpful in future reviews.
This is what I was really looking for in this review today, and came away 29 pages later with no answers to the real questions I had about this board.
Embra
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 04:23 PM
I plan to upgrade on Ryzen 2. I am really temped to go ITX now.
My 1700x going to become my productivity machine, and my 4970k going to me nephew.
I plan to upgrade on Ryzen 2. I am really temped to go ITX now.
My 1700x going to become my productivity machine, and my 4970k going to me nephew.
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Hilbert puts so much into his reviews and makes a point of reading the comments section, very often responding to sensible ideas.
Kinda leaves your comment feeling rather empty... and rather mean considering the huge amount of effort he puts into Guru3D.
@schmidtbag
SPDIF seems great for stereo and some people's amplifiers, but it does not have the bandwidth for HD surround sound. Are they ever planning any updates for it?
( I was forced into SPDIF by my MSI laptop which went out of it's way to disable surround sound channels via HDMI, many people have this issue with various models of MSI gaming laptops. The Latest Win10 17134.1 build fixed HDMI surround audio over HDMI on my laptop btw for anyone interested )
Nothing against how much he puts into the website. I have been following him and the website for literally my entire life. Reading the comments section has nothing to do with what I criticized the review for and I appreciate that he is among the very few reviewers and moderators who do so. I am sorry if my comment hurt you or made you feel it was mean. This was something genuine and considering you had no logical responses to any of the points I made other than "feeling empty", I think somewhere in the back of your mind, you agreed to my thoughts. I love Hilbert's work and its this concern which made me comment today. Had I been not bothered, I wouldn't have commented at all.