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Guru3D Rig of the Month - May 2019
ASUS ROG Strix X470-I Gaming review
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ASUS is back, on 17cm this round, yes we review the all new ROG Strix X470-I Gaming, optimized for Ryzen 2000 / Zen+ on a motherboard that is 17x17cm. It has everything you want, including a full X16 PCIe Gen 3.0 slot for graphics, two M2 slots and all that you can use with last or new-gen Ryzen 5 2600X or Ryzen 7 2700X processors.
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Bhagat
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 05:04 PM
Some fair points were made here.
Thing is, all reviewers seem to cover different areas more-so than others.
When I'm set on buying a product, I'll read all the reviews I can across multiple websites to come to a conclusion on whether I want to purchase it.
Sure, reviewer A might go into a more in-depth review of analyzing the circuitry but won't cover other aspects as well a reviewer B.
It's no different than car reviews.
Someone's looking to buy a new Mclaren performance car.
Reviewer A only goes over features, interior, etc but does not cover 0-60, braking test or quarter mile that reviewer B does.
So you just have to gather all the information you can across several reviews, no big deal.
It's a lot of work to write an article and test something as it is; trying to compile what every other reviewer does into one review will be too much for one person to do IMO.
AFAIK HH is a one-man army, whereas tomshardware will have multiple people helping in creating an article.
There are many one man armies who do better. What I suggested would in fact lessen the amount of work that he would have to do. Just compare motherboards from same class. Not telling him to copy the way others work, but going through 29 pages of no information is painful.
Some fair points were made here.
Thing is, all reviewers seem to cover different areas more-so than others.
When I'm set on buying a product, I'll read all the reviews I can across multiple websites to come to a conclusion on whether I want to purchase it.
Sure, reviewer A might go into a more in-depth review of analyzing the circuitry but won't cover other aspects as well a reviewer B.
It's no different than car reviews.
Someone's looking to buy a new Mclaren performance car.
Reviewer A only goes over features, interior, etc but does not cover 0-60, braking test or quarter mile that reviewer B does.
So you just have to gather all the information you can across several reviews, no big deal.
It's a lot of work to write an article and test something as it is; trying to compile what every other reviewer does into one review will be too much for one person to do IMO.
AFAIK HH is a one-man army, whereas tomshardware will have multiple people helping in creating an article.
There are many one man armies who do better. What I suggested would in fact lessen the amount of work that he would have to do. Just compare motherboards from same class. Not telling him to copy the way others work, but going through 29 pages of no information is painful.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 05:07 PM
Bhagat, criticism is fine, as always. Your initial comment, however, is completely disrespectful, you should have started where you ended. Anyway, sorry you feel the articles are lackluster. Again, this website is likely not something for you anymore. Take care.
Bhagat, criticism is fine, as always. Your initial comment, however, is completely disrespectful, you should have started where you ended. Anyway, sorry you feel the articles are lackluster. Again, this website is likely not something for you anymore. Take care.
Agent-A01
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 05:09 PM
Who else writes an article, proof reads an article, does testing in their own spare time, etc by themselves?
Even relatively new places like Gamers-nexus(Hilbert why are you renaming this to disney) is more than one person.
Point is, it's a ton of work to have to do a new article from scratch for every board(when 90% are basically the same thing with similar features)
There are many one man armies who do better. What I suggested would in fact lessen the amount of work that he would have to do. Just compare motherboards from same class. Not telling him to copy the way others work, but going through 29 pages of no information is painful.
Who else writes an article, proof reads an article, does testing in their own spare time, etc by themselves?
Even relatively new places like Gamers-nexus(Hilbert why are you renaming this to disney) is more than one person.
Point is, it's a ton of work to have to do a new article from scratch for every board(when 90% are basically the same thing with similar features)
Bhagat
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 05:10 PM
A table of what? Most of what you need to know you can find out yourself just by looking at the spec sheets.
How do I destroy my own standpoint? I already told you that Hilbert looks at these boards in an objective perspective, and leaves it to you to figure out if they're worth getting. I would argue the results he provides help you decide that.
Why couldn't you have requested this in your original comment? All of these are great ideas to add to the articles, but as I like to state to people in your situation:
it doesn't matter how right you are if you're coming across as a jerk. When your first response is offensive, you opinions will go un-heard. Diplomacy is crucial when you want change. It seems to me you now understand this, but I hope you can remember this in future situations.
A chart of performance with different motherboards.
I apologized before and I apologize again. Usually doesn't happen like this in the forums. I do get this and I will follow your advise in the future.
A table of what? Most of what you need to know you can find out yourself just by looking at the spec sheets.
How do I destroy my own standpoint? I already told you that Hilbert looks at these boards in an objective perspective, and leaves it to you to figure out if they're worth getting. I would argue the results he provides help you decide that.
Why couldn't you have requested this in your original comment? All of these are great ideas to add to the articles, but as I like to state to people in your situation:
it doesn't matter how right you are if you're coming across as a jerk. When your first response is offensive, you opinions will go un-heard. Diplomacy is crucial when you want change. It seems to me you now understand this, but I hope you can remember this in future situations.
A chart of performance with different motherboards.
I apologized before and I apologize again. Usually doesn't happen like this in the forums. I do get this and I will follow your advise in the future.
Bhagat
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 05:14 PM
Nothing you say will stop me from coming back to Guru3D. i hope you will forgive me for my initial outburst and I hope you can actually look through the words into why I did so. Anyways, I follow you on twitter and stuff and you are a good man. Seems to me motherboard reviews will still be a no-go for me at Guru3D.
Bhagat, criticism is fine, as always. Your initial comment, however, is completely disrespectful, you should have started where you. ended. Anyway, sorry you feel the articles are lackluster. Again, this website is likely not something for your anymore. Take care.
Nothing you say will stop me from coming back to Guru3D. i hope you will forgive me for my initial outburst and I hope you can actually look through the words into why I did so. Anyways, I follow you on twitter and stuff and you are a good man. Seems to me motherboard reviews will still be a no-go for me at Guru3D.
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 05:20 PM
Phoronix is pretty much entirely operated by 1 person. He also attends conferences, develops his own benchmark suite, and I believe he maintains his own web server. He also sometimes performs the same tests across every major OS. I honestly don't know how he gets any sleep, or how he isn't burnt out after roughly 15 years.
All that being said, I'd have to say his proof reading is abysmal, and quality does slip sometimes, but I cut him some slack since I know I could never pull off what he does - I don't think most people could, hence your point.
Who else writes an article, proof reads an article, does testing in their own spare time, etc by themselves?
Phoronix is pretty much entirely operated by 1 person. He also attends conferences, develops his own benchmark suite, and I believe he maintains his own web server. He also sometimes performs the same tests across every major OS. I honestly don't know how he gets any sleep, or how he isn't burnt out after roughly 15 years.
All that being said, I'd have to say his proof reading is abysmal, and quality does slip sometimes, but I cut him some slack since I know I could never pull off what he does - I don't think most people could, hence your point.
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 05:23 PM
The problem with motherboard reviews is that there is so little performance variation between them that tests easily fall within margin of error. IMO, the only useful info I get from mobo reviews are their features, ports/inputs, slots, dimensions, etc. The performance parameters are virtually irrelevant with same CPUs.
A motherboard review is a review when it is compared to boards in the same socket and different generations or with boards of other vendors with same/different chipsets. Just taking tests with a processor and throwing it in a chart with a i7-8700K and a Pentium G4560 and a Ryzen 5 1600 and Threadripper and Skylake-X is pointless and useless. How do I make a decision as to which motherboard to buy from the X470 platform?...
The problem with motherboard reviews is that there is so little performance variation between them that tests easily fall within margin of error. IMO, the only useful info I get from mobo reviews are their features, ports/inputs, slots, dimensions, etc. The performance parameters are virtually irrelevant with same CPUs.
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 05:25 PM
Fair enough, the max OC won't change between boards, I understand that. my specific reasoning for these questions is that many (almost all?) last-gen SFF motherboards had poor VRM quality which led to a bottleneck in an 8-core overclock. I already own a b350 mATX motherboard, but due to overheating VRM's at 1.39 volts I haven't been able to push my CPU as far as I would like. And my motherboard has vdroop all the way down to 1.36 when under full load, which is unacceptable to me. I'm passing the motherboard along to my girlfriend for her new 2200G build which won't be overclocked, so I want to make sure my new purchase makes sense for my use case.
I hope you understand I took time out of my day to express my opinion because I do respect the work you put into this, but feel some mistakes were made in the review of this board. I don't expect you to spend an exorbitant amount of time reviewing each board, but perhaps focusing more of your time on overclocking features for an overclocking board will help more of your readers understand the product. Perhaps comparing it just to the previous gen x370-i from Asus would have gone a long way to show the improvements Asus made in this board.
Also, I want to apologize for my original comment was rude. I do not mean to insult you in any way.
Thank you.
The overclocks are all the same really. Your bottleneck is the processor, not the motherboard unless it would be really poorly built). Basically, all motherboard will perform roughly the same, all tweaks will be extremely similar and all CPU OC results as such also will be incredibly similar as I use the same proc. I've been mentioning this in all articles, and that is the reality of Ryzen.
Fair enough, the max OC won't change between boards, I understand that. my specific reasoning for these questions is that many (almost all?) last-gen SFF motherboards had poor VRM quality which led to a bottleneck in an 8-core overclock. I already own a b350 mATX motherboard, but due to overheating VRM's at 1.39 volts I haven't been able to push my CPU as far as I would like. And my motherboard has vdroop all the way down to 1.36 when under full load, which is unacceptable to me. I'm passing the motherboard along to my girlfriend for her new 2200G build which won't be overclocked, so I want to make sure my new purchase makes sense for my use case.
I hope you understand I took time out of my day to express my opinion because I do respect the work you put into this, but feel some mistakes were made in the review of this board. I don't expect you to spend an exorbitant amount of time reviewing each board, but perhaps focusing more of your time on overclocking features for an overclocking board will help more of your readers understand the product. Perhaps comparing it just to the previous gen x370-i from Asus would have gone a long way to show the improvements Asus made in this board.
Also, I want to apologize for my original comment was rude. I do not mean to insult you in any way.
Thank you.
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 05:34 PM
No, your GPU would run at x8 PCIe Gen3, and not even a 1080 Ti would full that up in terms of bandwidth. Realistically though, how many people would actually use 2x M2? I think most will use just one for the OS and then add SATA3 SSDs/HDDs for volume storage.
BTW there was a mistake in the review, listing just two SATA3 ports, it obviously has four. This has been corrected.
Thanks for clearning that up, i was going off the info on page 4:
'If you use the second M2 slot your GPU will revert towards x4 mode, so that 8 PCIe lanes are freed up, four of them will be assigned towards the second M2 device, so that's a full speed connection. If you do not want that, you can switch in the BIOS, and have the 2nd M2 slot pull 4 lanes from the chipset, these, however, are PCIe Gen 2.0, and that halves the bandwidth then.'
And yer, i guess realistically it wouldnt be that many people but if its there, id like to use it to its full potential. Also thanks for the SATA info, two ports was kind of putting me off as my current setup includes 1ssd plus two HDD's (although ill look to replace them with just 1 4tb drive).
No, your GPU would run at x8 PCIe Gen3, and not even a 1080 Ti would full that up in terms of bandwidth. Realistically though, how many people would actually use 2x M2? I think most will use just one for the OS and then add SATA3 SSDs/HDDs for volume storage.
BTW there was a mistake in the review, listing just two SATA3 ports, it obviously has four. This has been corrected.
Thanks for clearning that up, i was going off the info on page 4:
'If you use the second M2 slot your GPU will revert towards x4 mode, so that 8 PCIe lanes are freed up, four of them will be assigned towards the second M2 device, so that's a full speed connection. If you do not want that, you can switch in the BIOS, and have the 2nd M2 slot pull 4 lanes from the chipset, these, however, are PCIe Gen 2.0, and that halves the bandwidth then.'
And yer, i guess realistically it wouldnt be that many people but if its there, id like to use it to its full potential. Also thanks for the SATA info, two ports was kind of putting me off as my current setup includes 1ssd plus two HDD's (although ill look to replace them with just 1 4tb drive).
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 05:38 PM
That should have been written better. I'll rewrite that part a little, but no your primary slot will not drop below x8 Gen3.
hanks for clearning that up, i was going off the info on page 4:
That should have been written better. I'll rewrite that part a little, but no your primary slot will not drop below x8 Gen3.
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 05:39 PM
Lovely, thanks! And thanks for the top review
That should have been written better. I'll rewrite that part a little, but no your primary slot will not drop below x8 Gen3.
Lovely, thanks! And thanks for the top review
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 05:42 PM
Your comment wasn't insulting at all ergo a reply from my side, but thanks for caring I'll have a rethink on the OC part of the articles. I am really not sure we need to go all the way up-to the level of VRM temp measurements in the tweaking bit. There's more to it than that, most of the time it's not measurable with internal sensors let alone we can not magically assume the offsets are setup right, or the mobo even supported in software like hwinfo and aida, ergo you need external measurements to be objective. Then again, I do have a FLIR camera that can deal with that very well. I'll have a think about it.
lso, I want to apologize for my original comment was rude. I do not mean to insult you in any way.
Your comment wasn't insulting at all ergo a reply from my side, but thanks for caring
I'll have a rethink on the OC part of the articles. I am really not sure we need to go all the way up-to the level of VRM temp measurements in the tweaking bit. There's more to it than that, most of the time it's not measurable with internal sensors let alone we can not magically assume the offsets are setup right, or the mobo even supported in software like hwinfo and aida, ergo you need external measurements to be objective. Then again, I do have a FLIR camera that can deal with that very well. I'll have a think about it.
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 05:55 PM
Yeah, of course you should cater to the average reader, not crazy people like me! I personally feel you spent too much time running benchmarks on the CPU when there should be little difference between boards. I read this as a 2700x review with the motherboard review included. I feel some of the CPU benchmark time could instead have been used on the overclocking of this board. I know time spent is important (I say as I waste an hour or two at work), so I definitely don't expect you to spend a week reviewing this board, just wish you had highlighted more of the differences this board has with it's competitors.
Your comment wasn't insulting at all ergo a reply from my side, but thanks for caring I'll have a rethink on the OC part of the articles. I am really not sure we need to go all the way up-to the level of VRM temp measurements in the tweaking bit. There's more to it than that, most of the time it's not measurable with internal sensors let alone we can not magically assume the offsets are setup right, or the mobo even supported in software like hwinfo and aida, ergo you need external measurements to be objective. Then again, I do have a FLIR camera that can deal with that very well. I'll have a think about it.
I'll have a rethink on the OC part of the articles. I am really not sure we need to go all the way up-to the level of VRM temp measurements in the tweaking bit. There's more to it than that, most of the time it's not measurable with internal sensors let alone we can not magically assume the offsets are setup right, or the mobo even supported in software like hwinfo and aida, ergo you need external measurements to be objective. Then again, I do have a FLIR camera that can deal with that very well. I'll have a think about it.Yeah, of course you should cater to the average reader, not crazy people like me! I personally feel you spent too much time running benchmarks on the CPU when there should be little difference between boards. I read this as a 2700x review with the motherboard review included. I feel some of the CPU benchmark time could instead have been used on the overclocking of this board. I know time spent is important (I say as I waste an hour or two at work), so I definitely don't expect you to spend a week reviewing this board, just wish you had highlighted more of the differences this board has with it's competitors.
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 08:20 PM
When I posted that I had not seen your second comment.
I am glad level heads prevailed here, part of what makes Guru3D's forums one of the more pleasant places to hang out.
It was good to hear some of your points in the end too.
(I am one of those that actually still feels it is worth honoring a write up by actually reading it, besides I enjoy HH's light hearted writing style )
Nothing against how much he puts into the website. I have been following him and the website for literally my entire life. Reading the comments section has nothing to do with what I criticized the review for and I appreciate that he is among the very few reviewers and moderators who do so. I am sorry if my comment hurt you or made you feel it was mean. This was something genuine and considering you had no logical responses to any of the points I made other than "feeling empty", I think somewhere in the back of your mind, you agreed to my thoughts. I love Hilbert's work and its this concern which made me comment today. Had I been not bothered, I wouldn't have commented at all.
When I posted that I had not seen your second comment.
I am glad level heads prevailed here, part of what makes Guru3D's forums one of the more pleasant places to hang out.
It was good to hear some of your points in the end too.
(I am one of those that actually still feels it is worth honoring a write up by actually reading it, besides I enjoy HH's light hearted writing style )
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 08:40 PM
Unless you need an STX (or smaller) PSU, why not keep what you've got? The 1700 is still a good CPU by today's standards and would work fine in an ITX build, even a slim one, so I'd say you could still keep that too, even if temporarily.
As for GPUs, keep your eyes peeled, because it seems price drops are on the horizon. Not only are GPUs beginning to have worse ROIs in mining, but there are ASICs that are making for enticing alternatives. Hope is in sight. At least the 480 is still a good GPU - I'd advise you wait for next-gen products anyway.
The cases I want for an ITX build doesn't take ATX PSUs. like the Node 202 or the Raven. CPU I'm not changing out at least. Possibly gonna wait until Vega 2 to see what happens.
Unless you need an STX (or smaller) PSU, why not keep what you've got? The 1700 is still a good CPU by today's standards and would work fine in an ITX build, even a slim one, so I'd say you could still keep that too, even if temporarily.
As for GPUs, keep your eyes peeled, because it seems price drops are on the horizon. Not only are GPUs beginning to have worse ROIs in mining, but there are ASICs that are making for enticing alternatives. Hope is in sight. At least the 480 is still a good GPU - I'd advise you wait for next-gen products anyway.
The cases I want for an ITX build doesn't take ATX PSUs. like the Node 202 or the Raven. CPU I'm not changing out at least. Possibly gonna wait until Vega 2 to see what happens.
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 08:48 PM
That GPU wouldn't fit into ITX chassis.
I wonder how this system would perform with Mini / Low Profile variant of this GPU.
Also closed ITX chassis could affect performance as well. High temp == throttling.
Stuttering is not sexy. :p
That GPU wouldn't fit into ITX chassis.
I wonder how this system would perform with Mini / Low Profile variant of this GPU.
Also closed ITX chassis could affect performance as well. High temp == throttling.
Stuttering is not sexy. :p
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 08:54 PM
Not all - my ITX chassis fits "full-profile" GPUs up to 260mm long (and I am taking up every single one of those mm with my GPU - it's literally touching the front plate). I do have one of the larger ITX cases (though, not the largest) but I was fine with sacrificing some physical space for better temperature control and quieter cooling. In my rig, the CPU+chipset+RAM, the GPU, and the PSU each have their own "chambers" to cool off in. I don't use liquid cooling, but it sounds like I do.
That GPU wouldn't fit into ITX chassis.
Not all - my ITX chassis fits "full-profile" GPUs up to 260mm long (and I am taking up every single one of those mm with my GPU - it's literally touching the front plate). I do have one of the larger ITX cases (though, not the largest) but I was fine with sacrificing some physical space for better temperature control and quieter cooling. In my rig, the CPU+chipset+RAM, the GPU, and the PSU each have their own "chambers" to cool off in. I don't use liquid cooling, but it sounds like I do.
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 09:09 PM
That GPU wouldn't fit into ITX chassis.
I wonder how this system would perform with Mini / Low Profile variant of this GPU.
Also closed ITX chassis could affect performance as well. High temp == throttling.
Stuttering is not sexy. :p
The Node fits video cards up to 310mm which there are ITX versions of cards available. If anything I'll just keep the 480 for a little while longer.
That GPU wouldn't fit into ITX chassis.
I wonder how this system would perform with Mini / Low Profile variant of this GPU.
Also closed ITX chassis could affect performance as well. High temp == throttling.
Stuttering is not sexy. :p
The Node fits video cards up to 310mm which there are ITX versions of cards available.
If anything I'll just keep the 480 for a little while longer.
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 09:29 PM
When I posted that I had not seen your second comment.
I am glad level heads prevailed here, part of what makes Guru3D's forums one of the more pleasant places to hang out.
It was good to hear some of your points in the end too.
(I am one of those that actually still feels it is worth honoring a write up by actually reading it, besides I enjoy HH's light hearted writing style )
Thank you. I agree I was hot headed in the first comment and it seemed very insulting on my part towards Hilbert. But you do have to agree that the comment did start a change, not as pleasant a one I would have wanted and @schmidtbag told me later, but it did bring out some of the unnecessary ways HH reviews motherboards. I apologized and it seems it didn't matter. No issues as the good will of the website was my only interest and a couple of other constructive comments did come to HH's notice which prompted him to think about it. And yes, I do read every article and review here. In fact, I have been ranting all over YouTube about how HH successfully OC'd his 2700X to 4.3 and 4.4 ghz fairly easily whereas everyone was saying that 4.3 is the limit. Yes, HH did win the silicon lottery but Precision Boost 2 and Overdrive have shown that 4.3 Ghz on any 2700X is fairly easy. Sad big youtubers are not talking about PBO. Have to resort to some very good and small YT channels for PBO results and they are fascinating. 4.3 GHz without manual OC on all cores with good cooling. 4.2 on average cooling. And it supports 300 series mobos as well. AMD will be launching it officially in the coming months as it is still in beta stage.
When I posted that I had not seen your second comment.
I am glad level heads prevailed here, part of what makes Guru3D's forums one of the more pleasant places to hang out.
It was good to hear some of your points in the end too.
(I am one of those that actually still feels it is worth honoring a write up by actually reading it, besides I enjoy HH's light hearted writing style )
Thank you. I agree I was hot headed in the first comment and it seemed very insulting on my part towards Hilbert. But you do have to agree that the comment did start a change, not as pleasant a one I would have wanted and @schmidtbag told me later, but it did bring out some of the unnecessary ways HH reviews motherboards. I apologized and it seems it didn't matter. No issues as the good will of the website was my only interest and a couple of other constructive comments did come to HH's notice which prompted him to think about it. And yes, I do read every article and review here. In fact, I have been ranting all over YouTube about how HH successfully OC'd his 2700X to 4.3 and 4.4 ghz fairly easily whereas everyone was saying that 4.3 is the limit. Yes, HH did win the silicon lottery but Precision Boost 2 and Overdrive have shown that 4.3 Ghz on any 2700X is fairly easy. Sad big youtubers are not talking about PBO. Have to resort to some very good and small YT channels for PBO results and they are fascinating. 4.3 GHz without manual OC on all cores with good cooling. 4.2 on average cooling. And it supports 300 series mobos as well. AMD will be launching it officially in the coming months as it is still in beta stage.
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 09:51 PM
ME WANT! 
ME WANT!
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 09:54 PM
Is there a release date for this? Can't find it anywhere.
Is there a release date for this? Can't find it anywhere.
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 09:58 PM
Well, it is already listed on the US Newegg site but, it is out of stock.
Is there a release date for this? Can't find it anywhere.
Well, it is already listed on the US Newegg site but, it is out of stock.
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 10:01 PM
Pointless, the CPU review exist for that.
More than enough 400 series reviews exists on this website. I don't ask him to do something that's not available. He has already done those reviews. Just post their numbers in a table and make an article.
You destroy your own standpoint with the sentence you wrote after this. And like I said, everything that you state above is available on Pages 1 to 6, 28 and 29. What Hilbert has to give is his opinion on how the boards stack up against each other. He is the Don here. We don't want numbers about Intel and AMD processors in an Asus motherboard review. We want to know how it compares to other boards from the competitors, how the VRMs handle the heat, how well it overclocks, how much voltage he needed, memory support and stuff IN HIS OWN WORDS because we trust him, not a article written as if like a bot with 20 or so worthless pages of same stuff being repeated every year.
Finally, somebody who understands. IMO the best motherboard reviews come from OC3D's Tiny Tom Logan, BitTech.net and AnandTech(though they are complete Intel suckers, I mean who does 15 X299 reviews over a year and just 6 AM4 reviews with boards that no one buys and also being reviewed at least 6-7 months after launch, half of them being done last month only). There are countless otherswho do good reviews but sadly, the person I want has 29 pages of worthless tables.
Well, I am sure they will enjoy your point of view on those websites then, enjoy and be careful with the door on the way out. I usually do not have the time to read through to much detail so this style is good but, now I want something I do not need.
Pointless, the CPU review exist for that.
More than enough 400 series reviews exists on this website. I don't ask him to do something that's not available. He has already done those reviews. Just post their numbers in a table and make an article.
You destroy your own standpoint with the sentence you wrote after this. And like I said, everything that you state above is available on Pages 1 to 6, 28 and 29. What Hilbert has to give is his opinion on how the boards stack up against each other. He is the Don here. We don't want numbers about Intel and AMD processors in an Asus motherboard review. We want to know how it compares to other boards from the competitors, how the VRMs handle the heat, how well it overclocks, how much voltage he needed, memory support and stuff IN HIS OWN WORDS because we trust him, not a article written as if like a bot with 20 or so worthless pages of same stuff being repeated every year.
Finally, somebody who understands. IMO the best motherboard reviews come from OC3D's Tiny Tom Logan, BitTech.net and AnandTech(though they are complete Intel suckers, I mean who does 15 X299 reviews over a year and just 6 AM4 reviews with boards that no one buys and also being reviewed at least 6-7 months after launch, half of them being done last month only). There are countless otherswho do good reviews but sadly, the person I want has 29 pages of worthless tables.
Well, I am sure they will enjoy your point of view on those websites then, enjoy and be careful with the door on the way out.
I usually do not have the time to read through to much detail so this style is good but, now I want something I do not need.
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Posted on: 05/08/2018 11:04 PM
This looks like a great compliment for the Zen2 coming up next year.
This looks like a great compliment for the Zen2 coming up next year.
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Unless you need an STX (or smaller) PSU, why not keep what you've got? The 1700 is still a good CPU by today's standards and would work fine in an ITX build, even a slim one, so I'd say you could still keep that too, even if temporarily.
As for GPUs, keep your eyes peeled, because it seems price drops are on the horizon. Not only are GPUs beginning to have worse ROIs in mining, but there are ASICs that are making for enticing alternatives. Hope is in sight. At least the 480 is still a good GPU - I'd advise you wait for next-gen products anyway.
A table of what? Most of what you need to know you can find out yourself just by looking at the spec sheets.
How do I destroy my own standpoint? I already told you that Hilbert looks at these boards in an objective perspective, and leaves it to you to figure out if they're worth getting. I would argue the results he provides help you decide that.
Why couldn't you have requested this in your original comment? All of these are great ideas to add to the articles, but as I like to state to people in your situation:
it doesn't matter how right you are if you're coming across as a jerk. When your first response is offensive, you opinions will go un-heard. Diplomacy is crucial when you want change. It seems to me you now understand this, but I hope you can remember this in future situations.