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Ashes of Singularity: DirectX 12 Benchmark II review
Posted by: on: 02/24/2016 07:00 PM [
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Stardock and Oxide Games have updated their Beta with a new DirectX 12 benchmark. We take a look at this new build in relation towards PC gaming graphics card performance with AMD and NVIDIA graphics cards, and mix them in Explicit Multi-GPU mode.
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Embra
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 07:21 PM
Fascinating review Hilbert, thank you.
Fascinating review Hilbert, thank you.
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 07:25 PM
Yep, brand new API and an Early Access title. Good way to make your mind up about a card.
Nvidia dx12 performance is lost, game over AMD won.
Yep, brand new API and an Early Access title. Good way to make your mind up about a card.
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 07:36 PM
It's pretty impressive -- definitely shows how hardware Async can improve performance in heavy compute situations. Whether or not most games will experience that, I guess is left to be seen.
By the time any real DX12 title is released, Polaris/Pascal will probably be out and I'll be looking to upgrade. It's highly possible that Nvidia was too late into Pascal's design to remedy the hardware Async problem. That would be good news for AMD, as they could come out strong in the first iteration of DX12 products.
It's pretty impressive -- definitely shows how hardware Async can improve performance in heavy compute situations. Whether or not most games will experience that, I guess is left to be seen.
By the time any real DX12 title is released, Polaris/Pascal will probably be out and I'll be looking to upgrade. It's highly possible that Nvidia was too late into Pascal's design to remedy the hardware Async problem. That would be good news for AMD, as they could come out strong in the first iteration of DX12 products.
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 07:36 PM
”Explicit mode Multi-GPU rendering” - translation ”let's make peace not war”
”Explicit mode Multi-GPU rendering” - translation ”let's make peace not war”
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 07:48 PM
Hilbert, where the fury x @?
Hahahahahahahah at all those fanboys on reddit who defend nvidia dayin dayout.
Hilbert, where the fury x @?
Hahahahahahahah at all those fanboys on reddit who defend nvidia dayin dayout.
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 07:53 PM
The r7 370 beats r9 380? thats weird
The r7 370 beats r9 380? thats weird
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 07:55 PM
can't catch sarcasm?
Yep, brand new API and an Early Access title. Good way to make your mind up about a card.
can't catch sarcasm?
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 08:01 PM
Fury non-X beating 980ti? Lovely. Dont worry though, Nvidia will give us Pascal GPU's so you can throw out your Maxwell cards *cough cough Kepler.
Fury non-X beating 980ti? Lovely. Dont worry though, Nvidia will give us Pascal GPU's so you can throw out your Maxwell cards *cough cough Kepler.
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 08:03 PM
Not sure if the crazy quality stuff is relevant - it's like running any game with extreme amounts of tesselation to make AMD's cards perform worse. It's pretty clear to me that the performance advantage of AMD in DX12 is pretty darn small and this is a title where async compute actually makes a big difference, and we have to go to extreme lengths to prove that AMD is faster. Nvidia's DX11 performance is something to marvel at.
Not sure if the crazy quality stuff is relevant - it's like running any game with extreme amounts of tesselation to make AMD's cards perform worse. It's pretty clear to me that the performance advantage of AMD in DX12 is pretty darn small and this is a title where async compute actually makes a big difference, and we have to go to extreme lengths to prove that AMD is faster. Nvidia's DX11 performance is something to marvel at.
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 08:09 PM
As marked in the chart, the 380 used had only 2GB whereas the 370 has 4GB. I deliberately threw it into the mix to show memory dependencies.
Ehm as to the other question on the Fury X. Add roughly 10%
Fcat requires DVI hence I only used cards with a DVI output. Once I get the new fixed AMD driver I'll redo the Radeon cards and include Fury X as well.
The r7 370 beats r9 380? thats weird
As marked in the chart, the 380 used had only 2GB whereas the 370 has 4GB. I deliberately threw it into the mix to show memory dependencies.
Ehm as to the other question on the Fury X. Add roughly 10%
Fcat requires DVI hence I only used cards with a DVI output. Once I get the new fixed AMD driver I'll redo the Radeon cards and include Fury X as well.
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 08:16 PM
Anyone else feel this game spent too much time in the headlines of tech websites? Can't even count by now how many times we had Ashes benchmarks. Graphically game looks ugly and bland, and it's niche game engine for niche game genre which will never be used anywhere else except maybe another Stardock game. Definitely not a great DX12 showcase, rather disappointing.
Would be nice to have benchmarks and performance reviews for other DX12 games and other engines for a change, more popular ones, which would be relevant to broader audience of gamers.
Anyone else feel this game spent too much time in the headlines of tech websites? Can't even count by now how many times we had Ashes benchmarks. Graphically game looks ugly and bland, and it's niche game engine for niche game genre which will never be used anywhere else except maybe another Stardock game. Definitely not a great DX12 showcase, rather disappointing.
Would be nice to have benchmarks and performance reviews for other DX12 games and other engines for a change, more popular ones, which would be relevant to broader audience of gamers.
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 08:19 PM
so it is true 390x equals 980ti with async on
so it is true 390x equals 980ti with async on
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 08:20 PM
I'd love to do that, but name one that is available and a proper DX12 title ... yep, that's the problem eh ? Ashes is the only one focusing on this strongly. Until actual DX12 class games are available just be glad you see some of its potential in articles like these ?
Would be nice to have benchmarks and performance reviews for other DX12 games and other engines for a change, more popular ones, which would be relevant to broader audience of gamers.
I'd love to do that, but name one that is available and a proper DX12 title ... yep, that's the problem eh ? Ashes is the only one focusing on this strongly. Until actual DX12 class games are available just be glad you see some of its potential in articles like these ?
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 08:20 PM
Anyone else feel this game spent too much time in the headlines of tech websites? Can't even count by now how many times we had Ashes benchmarks. Graphically game looks ugly and bland, and it's niche game engine for niche game genre which will never be used anywhere else except maybe another Stardock game. Definitely not a great DX12 showcase, rather disappointing.
Would be nice to have benchmarks and performance reviews for other DX12 games and other engines for a change, more popular ones, which would be relevant to broader audience of gamers.
Well there are Fable Legends Beta benchmarks.
Which is probably closer to what actual games are going to be like under DX12, as it's developed under a special UE build by a Microsoft Studio. But most people wrote it off because Epic has previously been partnered with Nvidia, even though they literally stripped all of Nvidia's tech out of their engine for UE4.
Anyone else feel this game spent too much time in the headlines of tech websites? Can't even count by now how many times we had Ashes benchmarks. Graphically game looks ugly and bland, and it's niche game engine for niche game genre which will never be used anywhere else except maybe another Stardock game. Definitely not a great DX12 showcase, rather disappointing.
Would be nice to have benchmarks and performance reviews for other DX12 games and other engines for a change, more popular ones, which would be relevant to broader audience of gamers.
Well there are Fable Legends Beta benchmarks.
Which is probably closer to what actual games are going to be like under DX12, as it's developed under a special UE build by a Microsoft Studio. But most people wrote it off because Epic has previously been partnered with Nvidia, even though they literally stripped all of Nvidia's tech out of their engine for UE4.
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 08:25 PM
didn't mean anything against you or the website, i love this website to death, was kinda of rhetorical post, if it makes sense
I'd love to do that, but name one that is available and a proper DX12 title ... yep, that's the problem eh ? Ashes is the only one focusing on this strongly. Until actual DX12 class games are available just be glad you see some of its potential in articles like these ?
didn't mean anything against you or the website, i love this website to death, was kinda of rhetorical post, if it makes sense
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 08:27 PM
Oh no worries - I want more DX12 titles for testing as well.
On Fable, Microsoft cherry picked just three or four websites for Fable. It smells and was rather shameful. We contacted Microsoft about it, and thus far they are not distributing it to any other media (for whatever reason).
Oh no worries - I want more DX12 titles for testing as well.
On Fable, Microsoft cherry picked just three or four websites for Fable. It smells and was rather shameful. We contacted Microsoft about it, and thus far they are not distributing it to any other media (for whatever reason).
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 08:34 PM
Oh no worries - I want more DX12 titles for testing as well.
On Fable, Microsoft cherry picked three or 4 websites for Fable. It smells sorry. We contacted Microsoft about it, and thus far they are not distributing it to any other media.
Yeah, I figured that. I think that's more of Microsoft being dumb then then foul play though.
I think there are going to be a lot more DX12 benchmarks/titles and whatnot popping up when UE4.11 final ships. There is a lot of underhood changes to the renderer in .11 including tons of DX12 changes. I believe Paragon is already running on it, as they utilize a number of the new rendering features.
Oh no worries - I want more DX12 titles for testing as well.
On Fable, Microsoft cherry picked three or 4 websites for Fable. It smells sorry. We contacted Microsoft about it, and thus far they are not distributing it to any other media.
Yeah, I figured that. I think that's more of Microsoft being dumb then then foul play though.
I think there are going to be a lot more DX12 benchmarks/titles and whatnot popping up when UE4.11 final ships. There is a lot of underhood changes to the renderer in .11 including tons of DX12 changes. I believe Paragon is already running on it, as they utilize a number of the new rendering features.
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 08:44 PM
For some reason unknown to me HH shown only nV DX11 vs DX12. In worst case scenario AMD gains nothing from DX12 too.
It would follow Unreal Engine 4 DX12 case as seen with Infiltrator tech demo.
Nvidia dx12 performance is lost, game over AMD won.
For some reason unknown to me HH shown only nV DX11 vs DX12. In worst case scenario AMD gains nothing from DX12 too.
It would follow Unreal Engine 4 DX12 case as seen with Infiltrator tech demo.
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 08:45 PM
Quantum Break will release in a month and a half with dx12, then we can compare nvidia to amd in a practical sense. And even then amd has an advantage thanks to amd hardware in the xbone, but my gut says the 980ti will still be the king of performance there.
Quantum Break will release in a month and a half with dx12, then we can compare nvidia to amd in a practical sense. And even then amd has an advantage thanks to amd hardware in the xbone, but my gut says the 980ti will still be the king of performance there.
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 08:48 PM
sorry m8 qb will have async so no.. dx 12 390x equals 980ti with async
Quantum Break will release in a month and a half with dx12, then we can compare nvidia to amd in a practical sense. And even then amd has an advantage thanks to amd hardware in the xbone, but my gut says the 980ti will still be the king of performance there.
sorry m8 qb will have async so no.. dx 12 390x equals 980ti with async
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 08:49 PM
I agree on the fact that this game is getting massively hyped for it's tech for being the first, but it sure does look pretty crappy to me too.
If massive numbers of units on an otherwise desert like landscape is your thing, you're in for a treat I guess. But in that case I suggest to just get an ant farm ...
I agree on the fact that this game is getting massively hyped for it's tech for being the first, but it sure does look pretty crappy to me too.
If massive numbers of units on an otherwise desert like landscape is your thing, you're in for a treat I guess. But in that case I suggest to just get an ant farm ...
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 08:49 PM
Futuremark DX12 bench should be ready soon, unless they have trouble making it reasonable.
Honestly, from what I have seen DX12 just redistributes workload among available cores (best case scenario).
Demos for Vulkan shows something very different. Those show drastically reduced need for CPU.
I'd love to do that, but name one that is available and a proper DX12 title ... yep, that's the problem eh ? Ashes is the only one focusing on this strongly. Until actual DX12 class games are available just be glad you see some of its potential in articles like these ?
Futuremark DX12 bench should be ready soon, unless they have trouble making it reasonable.
Honestly, from what I have seen DX12 just redistributes workload among available cores (best case scenario).
Demos for Vulkan shows something very different. Those show drastically reduced need for CPU.
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Posted on: 02/24/2016 08:56 PM
For some reason unknown to me HH shown only nV DX11 vs DX12. In worst case scenario AMD gains nothing from DX12 too.
It would follow Unreal Engine 4 DX12 case as seen with Infiltrator tech demo.
Well Async On vs Off AMD shows a massive performance gain, which is only available on DX12. So I would imagine that DX11 vs 12, the gains on AMD's side would be significant. Unless your talking about DX11 vs DX12 (Async off) which I guess would be interesting to see.
These updated results are no different then the ones that came the first time around, so I'm not really sure why people like GeniusPro are acting surprised. We've basically seen this already.
Also didn't an Oxide developer confirm that Async is now enabled in the more recent Nvidia drivers and that they aren't using it yet?
http://www.overclock.net/t/1590939/wccf-hitman-to-feature-best-implementation-of-dx12-async-compute-yet-says-amd/370#post_24898074
sorry m8 qb will have async so no.. dx 12 390x equals 980ti with async
But Fable Legends has Async and a Ti beats the 390x, the Fury and the Fury X. So I'm not sure how you're drawing that conclusion. It obviously depends on the game.
For some reason unknown to me HH shown only nV DX11 vs DX12. In worst case scenario AMD gains nothing from DX12 too.
It would follow Unreal Engine 4 DX12 case as seen with Infiltrator tech demo.
Well Async On vs Off AMD shows a massive performance gain, which is only available on DX12. So I would imagine that DX11 vs 12, the gains on AMD's side would be significant. Unless your talking about DX11 vs DX12 (Async off) which I guess would be interesting to see.
These updated results are no different then the ones that came the first time around, so I'm not really sure why people like GeniusPro are acting surprised. We've basically seen this already.
Also didn't an Oxide developer confirm that Async is now enabled in the more recent Nvidia drivers and that they aren't using it yet?
http://www.overclock.net/t/1590939/wccf-hitman-to-feature-best-implementation-of-dx12-async-compute-yet-says-amd/370#post_24898074
sorry m8 qb will have async so no.. dx 12 390x equals 980ti with async
But Fable Legends has Async and a Ti beats the 390x, the Fury and the Fury X. So I'm not sure how you're drawing that conclusion. It obviously depends on the game.
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Nvidia dx12 performance is lost, game over AMD won.