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AMD Ryzen 7 AGESA 1006 performance and DDR4 memory check - review
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In this article we'll have a look at the current state of Ryzen. Over the past two months a number of things have changed. AMD issued firmware updates to increase memory compatibility mostly. We'll check that out. But the the trivial question remains, is 1920x1080 performance increasing? It sure as that responsibility is to be found by the software developers.
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Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 12:25 PM
Thats weird.
Aside from memory swap testing on the ASUS hero board all these tests have been performed on an ASRock board. I have not seen any behavior like you mentioned and am using the Ryzen optimized setting.
For an SSD to reach 100% usage massive amounts MB/s need to be written, you probably are better off looking for the cause of what software in fact is writing that much data every 45 seconds. The application causing it should see increased CPU activity which you can track with the task manager.
Thats weird.
Aside from memory swap testing on the ASUS hero board all these tests have been performed on an ASRock board. I have not seen any behavior like you mentioned and am using the Ryzen optimized setting.
For an SSD to reach 100% usage massive amounts MB/s need to be written, you probably are better off looking for the cause of what software in fact is writing that much data every 45 seconds. The application causing it should see increased CPU activity which you can track with the task manager.
Loophole35
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 12:56 PM
So G-Skill is not doing to good still. That is odd as they are one of the largest memory suppliers.
So G-Skill is not doing to good still. That is odd as they are one of the largest memory suppliers.
Embra
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 01:00 PM
Awesome stuff HH, thank you!
Awesome stuff HH, thank you!
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 01:03 PM
hmmm, I need to comment on that. I have a large number of GSKILL DIMMs, less from the others. So for each 5 GSKILL kits tested I have say 1 from Corsair.
Ergo that is why you see less GSKILL kits pass. Secondly the majority of G.Skill kits are beyond 3200 MHz (which is not supported by XMP in AGESA 1006) and then some of them are 2015 DIMMs. It's clear that AMD has been focusing on the newer memory types for support.
As far as the FlareX Ryzen memory goes, I need to further check as the memory might be broken, on the Asrock setup it even reported back as single channel somehow.
So G-Skill is not doing to good still. That is odd as they are one of the largest memory suppliers.
hmmm, I need to comment on that. I have a large number of GSKILL DIMMs, less from the others. So for each 5 GSKILL kits tested I have say 1 from Corsair.
Ergo that is why you see less GSKILL kits pass. Secondly the majority of G.Skill kits are beyond 3200 MHz (which is not supported by XMP in AGESA 1006) and then some of them are 2015 DIMMs. It's clear that AMD has been focusing on the newer memory types for support.
As far as the FlareX Ryzen memory goes, I need to further check as the memory might be broken, on the Asrock setup it even reported back as single channel somehow.
Footman36
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 01:18 PM
Thats weird.
Aside from memory swap testing on the ASUS hero board all these tests have been performed on an ASRock board. I have not seen any behavior like you mentioned and am using the Ryzen optimized setting.
For an SSD to reach 100% usage massive amounts MB/s need to be written, you probably are better off looking for the cause of what software in fact is writing that much data every 45 seconds. The application causing it should see increased CPU activity which you can track with the task manager.
I've already looked: not seeing anything unusual, just usual windows processes. I've refreshed Windows and performed clean install, used the complete AMD motherboard drivers that are posted on ASRocks support site as well as the ones on AMD's website. I have no issues in Device manager and have not been able to trouble shoot the issue. The SSD is working fine and in good condition according to the SSD software that I am using, so I assumed that it may have been an issue with Ryzen balanced setting!!!
If you are not seeing any issues then perhaps the issue is limited to my system....
I guess that I will just have to run at high power for now to avoid this issue.
Cheers.
Greg
Thats weird.
Aside from memory swap testing on the ASUS hero board all these tests have been performed on an ASRock board. I have not seen any behavior like you mentioned and am using the Ryzen optimized setting.
For an SSD to reach 100% usage massive amounts MB/s need to be written, you probably are better off looking for the cause of what software in fact is writing that much data every 45 seconds. The application causing it should see increased CPU activity which you can track with the task manager.
I've already looked: not seeing anything unusual, just usual windows processes. I've refreshed Windows and performed clean install, used the complete AMD motherboard drivers that are posted on ASRocks support site as well as the ones on AMD's website. I have no issues in Device manager and have not been able to trouble shoot the issue. The SSD is working fine and in good condition according to the SSD software that I am using, so I assumed that it may have been an issue with Ryzen balanced setting!!!
If you are not seeing any issues then perhaps the issue is limited to my system....
I guess that I will just have to run at high power for now to avoid this issue.
Cheers.
Greg
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 01:22 PM
I would look into what is writing that much into your SSD before it fails. Be sure to optimize your system for an SSD: disable indexing, disable defrag, etc.
Thanks for this update review Hilbert.
Nice Hilbert.
I'm still seeing some issues with Ryzen balanced power settings compared to high power setting in my Win 10 setup. R5 1600X, AsRock X370 Taichi 2x8gb Corsair LPX 3200mhz ram, 1Tb Mushkin Reactor SSD, Creative ZX soundcard and RX 580.
When set at Ryzen balanced power, I have hitches and pauses every 15-45secs associated with the SSD approaching 100% disc usage, these disappear when I have power settings set to high.
Have you experienced this or have any idea why this is occurs???
I'm still seeing some issues with Ryzen balanced power settings compared to high power setting in my Win 10 setup. R5 1600X, AsRock X370 Taichi 2x8gb Corsair LPX 3200mhz ram, 1Tb Mushkin Reactor SSD, Creative ZX soundcard and RX 580.
When set at Ryzen balanced power, I have hitches and pauses every 15-45secs associated with the SSD approaching 100% disc usage, these disappear when I have power settings set to high.
Have you experienced this or have any idea why this is occurs???
I would look into what is writing that much into your SSD before it fails. Be sure to optimize your system for an SSD: disable indexing, disable defrag, etc.
Thanks for this update review Hilbert.
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 01:29 PM
My experience is weird, with Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 with kind of old BIOS it works with XMP 3200 profile but I can't get any overclock in BIOS, with Ryzen Master however the overclock is stable with 4Ghz at 1.4V. With new BIOS version with 1.0.0.6 AGESA XMP Profile doesn't work... Hopefully it will get sorted out in future.
My experience is weird, with Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 with kind of old BIOS it works with XMP 3200 profile but I can't get any overclock in BIOS, with Ryzen Master however the overclock is stable with 4Ghz at 1.4V. With new BIOS version with 1.0.0.6 AGESA XMP Profile doesn't work... Hopefully it will get sorted out in future.
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 01:44 PM
I've got to change my RAM, the GSkill TridentZ 2800 stuff isn't playing nicely
I've got to change my RAM, the GSkill TridentZ 2800 stuff isn't playing nicely
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 02:15 PM
Thats why i buy from companies that actually manufacture things as opposed to rebranders like G.Skill, Corsair, etc.
Thats why i buy from companies that actually manufacture things as opposed to rebranders like G.Skill, Corsair, etc.
Sweeeper
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 02:25 PM
Well got xpower motherboard and flare still not working.. ;/
Well got xpower motherboard and flare still not working.. ;/
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 02:29 PM
hmmm, I need to comment on that. I have a large number of GSKILL DIMMs, less from the others. So for each 5 GSKILL kits tested I have say 1 from Corsair.
Ergo that is why you see less GSKILL kits pass. Secondly the majority of G.Skill kits are beyond 3200 MHz (which is not supported by XMP in AGESA 1006) and then some of them are 2015 DIMMs. It's clear that AMD has been focusing on the newer memory types for support.
As far as the FlareX Ryzen memory goes, I need to further check as the memory might be broken, on the Asrock setup it even reported back as single channel somehow.
Wasn't GSKILL one of the main partners for AMD and Ryzen support as well? Or am I making that up?
hmmm, I need to comment on that. I have a large number of GSKILL DIMMs, less from the others. So for each 5 GSKILL kits tested I have say 1 from Corsair.
Ergo that is why you see less GSKILL kits pass. Secondly the majority of G.Skill kits are beyond 3200 MHz (which is not supported by XMP in AGESA 1006) and then some of them are 2015 DIMMs. It's clear that AMD has been focusing on the newer memory types for support.
As far as the FlareX Ryzen memory goes, I need to further check as the memory might be broken, on the Asrock setup it even reported back as single channel somehow.
Wasn't GSKILL one of the main partners for AMD and Ryzen support as well? Or am I making that up?
Picolete
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 02:30 PM
Great review as always
When you have the time, could you test the 1%, 0.1% lows in some game(Rise of the tomb raider seems to be the most affected by the M speeds) with the different memory speeds to see if it has any effect?
Great review as always
When you have the time, could you test the 1%, 0.1% lows in some game(Rise of the tomb raider seems to be the most affected by the M speeds) with the different memory speeds to see if it has any effect?
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 02:30 PM
MSI hasn't updated firmwares to AGESA 1006 yet.
Well got xpower motherboard and flare still not working.. ;/
MSI hasn't updated firmwares to AGESA 1006 yet.
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 02:51 PM
Thanks to Hilbert for the analysis. I have bought a 3200 MHz kit and really the 50% price premium gives you ~10 FPS at best, at some scenarios. If gaming is the primary usage, such RAM kits are more like pc parts porno – nice to have in the case, but the money could be spent elsewhere. IMHO.
Thanks to Hilbert for the analysis. I have bought a 3200 MHz kit and really the 50% price premium gives you ~10 FPS at best, at some scenarios. If gaming is the primary usage, such RAM kits are more like pc parts porno – nice to have in the case, but the money could be spent elsewhere. IMHO.
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 04:17 PM
Could confirm this one Hilbert
My Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 4x8GB memory rated at 15-17-17-35 doesn't
want to boot at CL15, always goes to 16. CL14 Results in 2133 safeboot.
Could confirm this one Hilbert
Corsair vengeance LPX 3000 MHz / CL15 - PASS: 2933 MHz / CL16 (memory did not configure at CL15 but Cl16 instead)
My Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 4x8GB memory rated at 15-17-17-35 doesn't
want to boot at CL15, always goes to 16. CL14 Results in 2133 safeboot.
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 04:17 PM
Hilbert, you dont happen to have any Kingston HyperX Predator ram kits to test do you?
Also still holding out for an MSI bios update on AGESA 1006. MSI seems to be slow with these updates on the AM4 platform. ASRock seems to be leading the charge with the best overall experience with their board features and bios updates- from what I have seen.
Hilbert, you dont happen to have any Kingston HyperX Predator ram kits to test do you?
Also still holding out for an MSI bios update on AGESA 1006. MSI seems to be slow with these updates on the AM4 platform. ASRock seems to be leading the charge with the best overall experience with their board features and bios updates- from what I have seen.
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 04:43 PM
U save some by choosing a R7 1700, you lose some on faster RAM.
Thanks to Hilbert for the analysis. I have bought a 3200 MHz kit and really the 50% price premium gives you ~10 FPS at best, at some scenarios. If gaming is the primary usage, such RAM kits are more like pc parts porno – nice to have in the case, but the money could be spent elsewhere. IMHO.
U save some by choosing a R7 1700, you lose some on faster RAM.
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 04:43 PM
I found I am 99.9 percent stable at 3200, after the computer being on a day doing encoding with a complex script it would partially freeze. Even with higher timings no go. At 3066 it's 100 percent good with 15-14-14-14-35 timings, and Twcl as 14 (Tcl-1).
I found I am 99.9 percent stable at 3200, after the computer being on a day doing encoding with a complex script it would partially freeze. Even with higher timings no go. At 3066 it's 100 percent good with 15-14-14-14-35 timings, and Twcl as 14 (Tcl-1).
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 04:49 PM
Hi,
although i followed Guru3d for years, this is my first post.
Hilbert there must be something wrong with your FlareX sticks. I have them on a Asus ch6 and worked fine (3200/ CL14) even with older bioses. I still have 1201 on my system since asus hasnt provided an official bios on her site with the new microcode.
Hi,
although i followed Guru3d for years, this is my first post.
Hilbert there must be something wrong with your FlareX sticks. I have them on a Asus ch6 and worked fine (3200/ CL14) even with older bioses. I still have 1201 on my system since asus hasnt provided an official bios on her site with the new microcode.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 05:02 PM
Hi,
although i followed Guru3d for years, this is my first post.
Hilbert there must be something wrong with your FlareX sticks. I have them on a Asus ch6 and worked fine (3200/ CL14) even with older bioses. I still have 1201 on my system since asus hasnt provided an official bios on her site with the new microcode.
Yeah as I stated, I think one of the sticks might be broken. Good to hear they do work on your end. Oh and welcome !
Hi,
although i followed Guru3d for years, this is my first post.
Hilbert there must be something wrong with your FlareX sticks. I have them on a Asus ch6 and worked fine (3200/ CL14) even with older bioses. I still have 1201 on my system since asus hasnt provided an official bios on her site with the new microcode.
Yeah as I stated, I think one of the sticks might be broken. Good to hear they do work on your end. Oh and welcome !
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 05:56 PM
There is an improvement overall. Everything is still board dependent form the appearances of this article. Both the ASUS Prime X370-PRO and the C6H have been able to run the GSkill F4-3200C14D-16GTZ kits at their rated speed and timings for a long while. The issue are speeds above 3200 for using DOCP. There is one big hiccup still and that is DOCP does not set timings past Tras. One should not have to use programs like Thaiphoon Burner to find out what the extended timings are and setting them manually afterwards. Currently running F4-3600C16D-16GTZ @ 3466 15-15-15-15-35 along with dealing with a cold boot issue. The only issue with 2T running as set is that the Geardown setting needs to be disabled or it is overridden to 1T for any speeds above 2666. GSkill kits are rated for 2T. The bios should have addressed this DOCP event by now. AMD is all over the map with launch after launch. They need to focus on getting the bios basics covered.
There is an improvement overall. Everything is still board dependent form the appearances of this article. Both the ASUS Prime X370-PRO and the C6H have been able to run the GSkill F4-3200C14D-16GTZ kits at their rated speed and timings for a long while. The issue are speeds above 3200 for using DOCP. There is one big hiccup still and that is DOCP does not set timings past Tras. One should not have to use programs like Thaiphoon Burner to find out what the extended timings are and setting them manually afterwards. Currently running F4-3600C16D-16GTZ @ 3466 15-15-15-15-35 along with dealing with a cold boot issue. The only issue with 2T running as set is that the Geardown setting needs to be disabled or it is overridden to 1T for any speeds above 2666. GSkill kits are rated for 2T. The bios should have addressed this DOCP event by now. AMD is all over the map with launch after launch. They need to focus on getting the bios basics covered.
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 07:05 PM
Ironic, how the G.Skill Flare X (marketed as being AMD compatible) was on the "failed" list.
I'm using G.Skill myself and my motherboard still has yet to get this update, but I'm feeling pretty good I'll reach the full speed of it whenever I do get the update. The problem is I don't have access to the T2 command rate, which my RAM is set to use. If I can bump it to 3200MHz, I'm happy.
Ironic, how the G.Skill Flare X (marketed as being AMD compatible) was on the "failed" list.
I'm using G.Skill myself and my motherboard still has yet to get this update, but I'm feeling pretty good I'll reach the full speed of it whenever I do get the update. The problem is I don't have access to the T2 command rate, which my RAM is set to use. If I can bump it to 3200MHz, I'm happy.
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 07:11 PM
I swear I read on other forums that >3200 xmp ram would work but you had to manually enter the timings. Specifically with the 3600 g.skill cl14 variety.
I swear I read on other forums that >3200 xmp ram would work but you had to manually enter the timings. Specifically with the 3600 g.skill cl14 variety.
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Posted on: 06/29/2017 07:25 PM
The new AGESA update will give access to that setting and to a setting that will be labeled exactly like or close to Geardown. That needs to be disabled or CR will run at 1T.
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/05/25/community-update-4-lets-talk-dram
Ironic, how the G.Skill Flare X (marketed as being AMD compatible) was on the "failed" list.
I'm using G.Skill myself and my motherboard still has yet to get this update, but I'm feeling pretty good I'll reach the full speed of it whenever I do get the update. The problem is I don't have access to the T2 command rate, which my RAM is set to use. If I can bump it to 3200MHz, I'm happy.
I'm using G.Skill myself and my motherboard still has yet to get this update, but I'm feeling pretty good I'll reach the full speed of it whenever I do get the update. The problem is I don't have access to the T2 command rate, which my RAM is set to use. If I can bump it to 3200MHz, I'm happy.
The new AGESA update will give access to that setting and to a setting that will be labeled exactly like or close to Geardown. That needs to be disabled or CR will run at 1T.
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/05/25/community-update-4-lets-talk-dram
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Nice Hilbert.
I'm still seeing some issues with Ryzen balanced power settings compared to high power setting in my Win 10 setup. R5 1600X, AsRock X370 Taichi 2x8gb Corsair LPX 3200mhz ram, 1Tb Mushkin Reactor SSD, Creative ZX soundcard and RX 580.
When set at Ryzen balanced power, I have hitches and pauses every 15-45secs associated with the SSD approaching 100% disc usage, these disappear when I have power settings set to high.
Have you experienced this or have any idea why this is occurs???