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Posted by: on: 11/06/2020 02:01 PM [
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It's time for already our 4th ZEN3 review, yes the much anticipated Ryzen 5 5800X. This is the processor that is on the watchlist of many with 8 cores and 16 threads if offers a bit more flexibility in threads, is a bit more future proof than the 6-core part, and sure, it offers gaming nirvana as well.
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I_Eat_You_Alive
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Posted on: 11/08/2020 03:29 PM
It could be a more wide spread thing than a few random ones. I will see how my next one behaves thermally. If it is not right either I will return it and probably wait till I can get a 59xx or just forgo this series. My 3900x does everything I need it too; it is just nice to get a new piece of tech.
I think you're really on to something here. Could it be that there was a problem with a big batch and that parts of this batch is being shipped around the world which makes people report very high temps? I've spent over 2hrs on Reddit reading threads about 5800X owners reporting insane temps...not all though, but a lot.
It could be a more wide spread thing than a few random ones. I will see how my next one behaves thermally. If it is not right either I will return it and probably wait till I can get a 59xx or just forgo this series. My 3900x does everything I need it too; it is just nice to get a new piece of tech.
Lily GFX
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Posted on: 11/08/2020 07:13 PM
So every 5800X is hotter than 5600X/5900X/5950X?
I understand 5600X and 5900X if they only have six cores per CCX but 5950X has two eight core CCX so that one should be warmest.
I've got a 5800X incoming next week and from what I can tell nobody recommends it. Funny though, that's what everyone said about 3800X too when it was released
Still got it thought and I had no regrets.
Depends what load is added to it I think.
Under heavy load like stress test and rendering on all cores the 5950X will be the warmer one,
but on everyday use like gaming and similar load I think the 5800X will be the warmer one.
Because of the aggresive all core and several cores boosting to max, and not just two like
on the 5900X and 5950X.
Heat is more spread on the 5900X and 5950X too so easier for any cooling to be effective like
JonasBeckman mentioned before.
I might be wrong thou cause I do not have any experience with either 3950X or 5950X.
I have both a 3800X and a 3900X currently, but I prefer the 3900X because I need more cores
for work. It helps even thou GPU does most of the work I do. Most games I play there have been
little to no difference between them even thou the 3900X have two CCD.
Maybe cause I play mostly at 2160p. ^^
From what I seen that difference should be even smaller on the 5900X because of the new design.
When I got the 3900X I sent several feedback to Nvidia. Because there was some issues
at start, but they was quick to fix all of them. I guess that is another reason I like Nvidia GPUs
so much. Amazing support goes a long way. I know some people might not agree but
that is my experience with them. I think I also have been lucky so far, I even use a Freesync2
monitor that is not on the compatible list without issues.^^
Like I said before buy what you need/want that fits you budget and be happy with it.
Does not matter if it is a pure build or a combination of AMD, Intel or Nvidia.
You do you and do not listen to others trying to tell you what is better for you,
at least when you have done your own research and made up your mind.
It could be a more wide spread thing than a few random ones. I will see how my next one behaves thermally. If it is not right either I will return it and probably wait till I can get a 59xx or just forgo this series. My 3900x does everything I need it too; it is just nice to get a new piece of tech.
Best of luck on the next one.
So every 5800X is hotter than 5600X/5900X/5950X?
I understand 5600X and 5900X if they only have six cores per CCX but 5950X has two eight core CCX so that one should be warmest.
I've got a 5800X incoming next week and from what I can tell nobody recommends it. Funny though, that's what everyone said about 3800X too when it was released
Still got it thought and I had no regrets.Depends what load is added to it I think.
Under heavy load like stress test and rendering on all cores the 5950X will be the warmer one,
but on everyday use like gaming and similar load I think the 5800X will be the warmer one.
Because of the aggresive all core and several cores boosting to max, and not just two like
on the 5900X and 5950X.
Heat is more spread on the 5900X and 5950X too so easier for any cooling to be effective like
JonasBeckman mentioned before.
I might be wrong thou cause I do not have any experience with either 3950X or 5950X.
I have both a 3800X and a 3900X currently, but I prefer the 3900X because I need more cores
for work. It helps even thou GPU does most of the work I do. Most games I play there have been
little to no difference between them even thou the 3900X have two CCD.
Maybe cause I play mostly at 2160p. ^^
From what I seen that difference should be even smaller on the 5900X because of the new design.
When I got the 3900X I sent several feedback to Nvidia. Because there was some issues
at start, but they was quick to fix all of them. I guess that is another reason I like Nvidia GPUs
so much. Amazing support goes a long way. I know some people might not agree but
that is my experience with them. I think I also have been lucky so far, I even use a Freesync2
monitor that is not on the compatible list without issues.^^
Like I said before buy what you need/want that fits you budget and be happy with it.
Does not matter if it is a pure build or a combination of AMD, Intel or Nvidia.
You do you and do not listen to others trying to tell you what is better for you,
at least when you have done your own research and made up your mind.
It could be a more wide spread thing than a few random ones. I will see how my next one behaves thermally. If it is not right either I will return it and probably wait till I can get a 59xx or just forgo this series. My 3900x does everything I need it too; it is just nice to get a new piece of tech.
Best of luck on the next one.
I_Eat_You_Alive
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Posted on: 11/08/2020 08:10 PM
I am not the only one that thinks it is a TIM application issue under the heat spreader. Many people are fronting the same hypothesis. The heat spreader is getting a very localized point of heating and most peoples cooling solutions work better when the heat is spread over a more general area. My H150i even with global extreme settings for the pump and fans was not able to keep up with what the 5800x was dishing out even with PBO disabled. In my case it was a case of manufacturing error(s). AMD needs to find a way of distributing the heat from the single CCX to a broad portion of the head spreader. How they will do it is beyond my reasoning but there are smarter people than I that specialize in this realm. As stated before with the two CCXs the heat load is balanced between them and has two contact points with the heat spreader. I have a feeling sales on the 5800x are going to drop and the sales on the 59XX and 5600 are going to start rising. Demand may out weigh supply for the 59xx chips for a long time (chip yields are going to be the limiting factor - failed 59xx chips become the lower tier chips) if not forever as at some point they will need to move on to other products. Not sure what I am going to do; get another 5800x and hope it does not self combust, spend more for 5900x that is becoming more in demand, or just past this wave by. I will not drop down to a 5600 as it is below my usage demands.
I am not the only one that thinks it is a TIM application issue under the heat spreader. Many people are fronting the same hypothesis. The heat spreader is getting a very localized point of heating and most peoples cooling solutions work better when the heat is spread over a more general area. My H150i even with global extreme settings for the pump and fans was not able to keep up with what the 5800x was dishing out even with PBO disabled. In my case it was a case of manufacturing error(s). AMD needs to find a way of distributing the heat from the single CCX to a broad portion of the head spreader. How they will do it is beyond my reasoning but there are smarter people than I that specialize in this realm. As stated before with the two CCXs the heat load is balanced between them and has two contact points with the heat spreader. I have a feeling sales on the 5800x are going to drop and the sales on the 59XX and 5600 are going to start rising. Demand may out weigh supply for the 59xx chips for a long time (chip yields are going to be the limiting factor - failed 59xx chips become the lower tier chips) if not forever as at some point they will need to move on to other products. Not sure what I am going to do; get another 5800x and hope it does not self combust, spend more for 5900x that is becoming more in demand, or just past this wave by. I will not drop down to a 5600 as it is below my usage demands.
Lily GFX
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Posted on: 11/08/2020 09:47 PM
If the issue is wide spread I think AMD will fix it with AGESA, they can change boosting
behavior like they did with the 3900X and other 3000series.
But I find it odd that they did not detect this issue if it is really wide spread.
Anyway be sure to have latest BIOS update.
One day before release the latest bios update on my MSI X570 Godlike updated to
AMD AGESA ComboAm4v2PI 1.1.0.0 Patch C.
My ASUS Crosshair VIII Formula got an beta update the same day too with same version.
We will most likely see more AGESA updates soon since their adding new undervolting
feature for the 5000series and so on.
---
From looking at the latest GN video memory sweet spot for 5000series seems to be
3200CL14/3600CL16. 3200CL14 and 3600CL16 switched between being at top.
But the most interesting part was that there is major difference between using
2x8GB vs 4x8GB. 4x8GB gave up to 8%+ more FPS in games compared to 2x8GB
with same settings.
Most of the tests only used less than 8GB memory I think so memory amount have
nothing to do with the difference.
Seems that 5000 series preffer all 4 slots filled at least when it comes to 8GB sticks.
So there is a major gain to be had right there. :p
I am not the only one that thinks it is a TIM application issue under the heat spreader. Many people are fronting the same hypothesis. The heat spreader is getting a very localized point of heating and most peoples cooling solutions work better when the heat is spread over a more general area. My H150i even with global extreme settings for the pump and fans was not able to keep up with what the 5800x was dishing out even with PBO disabled. In my case it was a case of manufacturing error(s). AMD needs to find a way of distributing the heat from the single CCX to a broad portion of the head spreader. How they will do it is beyond my reasoning but there are smarter people than I that specialize in this realm. As stated before with the two CCXs the heat load is balanced between them and has two contact points with the heat spreader. I have a feeling sales on the 5800x are going to drop and the sales on the 59XX and 5600 are going to start rising. Demand may out weigh supply for the 59xx chips for a long time (chip yields are going to be the limiting factor - failed 59xx chips become the lower tier chips) if not forever as at some point they will need to move on to other products. Not sure what I am going to do; get another 5800x and hope it does not self combust, spend more for 5900x that is becoming more in demand, or just past this wave by. I will not drop down to a 5600 as it is below my usage demands.
If the issue is wide spread I think AMD will fix it with AGESA, they can change boosting
behavior like they did with the 3900X and other 3000series.
But I find it odd that they did not detect this issue if it is really wide spread.
Anyway be sure to have latest BIOS update.
One day before release the latest bios update on my MSI X570 Godlike updated to
AMD AGESA ComboAm4v2PI 1.1.0.0 Patch C.
My ASUS Crosshair VIII Formula got an beta update the same day too with same version.
We will most likely see more AGESA updates soon since their adding new undervolting
feature for the 5000series and so on.
---
From looking at the latest GN video memory sweet spot for 5000series seems to be
3200CL14/3600CL16. 3200CL14 and 3600CL16 switched between being at top.
But the most interesting part was that there is major difference between using
2x8GB vs 4x8GB. 4x8GB gave up to 8%+ more FPS in games compared to 2x8GB
with same settings.
Most of the tests only used less than 8GB memory I think so memory amount have
nothing to do with the difference.
Seems that 5000 series preffer all 4 slots filled at least when it comes to 8GB sticks.
So there is a major gain to be had right there. :p
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I think you're really on to something here. Could it be that there was a problem with a big batch and that parts of this batch is being shipped around the world which makes people report very high temps? I've spent over 2hrs on Reddit reading threads about 5800X owners reporting insane temps...not all though, but a lot.