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We reviewed pretty much all Series 3000 processors from AMD, however one review had been missing, until today that is, join us un a review of the feisty and spicy Ryzen 7 3800X eight-core processor.
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sykozis
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Posted on: 08/19/2019 01:38 AM
They'll never go away....
So, how much does Intel pay you to shill for them?
I still sew moronic fanboyism runs amuck with Intel shills.
They'll never go away....
Hello guys and gals, I made a few more tests and benchmarks with my 9900k and the results are :
So, how much does Intel pay you to shill for them?
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Posted on: 08/19/2019 01:54 AM
I just got myself a copy of same, I'll take the leap off of 7 here this fall when I got nothing to do. I don't want to but it's time.
Windows 10 LTSC is the only Windows 10 I will use.
I just got myself a copy of same, I'll take the leap off of 7 here this fall when I got nothing to do. I don't want to but it's time.
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Posted on: 08/19/2019 02:29 AM
I think this look to be the better deal then 9900k. I really am tempted to just make new system even though my personal 6700k will be fine for the next 2 years or so
I think this look to be the better deal then 9900k. I really am tempted to just make new system even though my personal 6700k will be fine for the next 2 years or so
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Posted on: 08/19/2019 05:34 AM
Why? My fans are controlled by the Commander Pro so wouldn't I need it running? Also lighting side of things.
Thanks for that info! Will test it out when I get home.
because the CPUID sdk is questionably stable.
Why? My fans are controlled by the Commander Pro so wouldn't I need it running? Also lighting side of things.
Thanks for that info! Will test it out when I get home.
because the CPUID sdk is questionably stable.
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Posted on: 08/19/2019 07:19 AM
Can that control my fans that are plugged into the Commander Pro?
Also @kakiharaFRS you're a legend. By unticking the Enable SDK option my idle voltage now drops to 1.05-1.25; though it still can spike up to 1.4 when I move my mouse but it's a massive improvement nonetheless!
because the CPUID sdk is questionably stable.
Can that control my fans that are plugged into the Commander Pro?
Also @kakiharaFRS you're a legend. By unticking the Enable SDK option my idle voltage now drops to 1.05-1.25; though it still can spike up to 1.4 when I move my mouse but it's a massive improvement nonetheless!
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Posted on: 08/19/2019 07:41 AM
disabling that option disables cpuid sdk, so that works out fine too. forgot it was an option.
disabling that option disables cpuid sdk, so that works out fine too. forgot it was an option.
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Posted on: 08/19/2019 07:45 AM
Haha now I see what you're trying to say.
So I tried different mouse polling rate to see if it has an effect on idle voltage as it spikes when I move my mouse and sure enough by dropping polling rate to 500Hz voltage stays mostly around ~1.1V with spikes to 1.2-3V and the very occasional jump to 1.4V; dropping it to 250Hz pretty much ensures it staying below 1.25V all the time (mostly hangs around 1.05-1.15V).
Update: on Reddit someone suggested changing settings under Ryzen Balanced power plan to min processor state at 5% and maximum at 99% and now even at full 1000Hz polling rate idle voltage now stays at ~0.98V.
Update 2: doing so seems to drop my boost clock quite a bit running Cinebench R20 from ~3.95GHz sustained to 3.5GHz.
disabling that option disables cpuid sdk, so that works out fine too. forgot it was an option.
Haha now I see what you're trying to say.
So I tried different mouse polling rate to see if it has an effect on idle voltage as it spikes when I move my mouse and sure enough by dropping polling rate to 500Hz voltage stays mostly around ~1.1V with spikes to 1.2-3V and the very occasional jump to 1.4V; dropping it to 250Hz pretty much ensures it staying below 1.25V all the time (mostly hangs around 1.05-1.15V).
Update: on Reddit someone suggested changing settings under Ryzen Balanced power plan to min processor state at 5% and maximum at 99% and now even at full 1000Hz polling rate idle voltage now stays at ~0.98V.
Update 2: doing so seems to drop my boost clock quite a bit running Cinebench R20 from ~3.95GHz sustained to 3.5GHz.
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Posted on: 08/19/2019 09:06 AM
using a 99% maximum fully disables boosting though.
using a 99% maximum fully disables boosting though.
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Posted on: 08/19/2019 10:03 AM
Yea it appears that way I've put it back up to 100%. I think SDK setting + lowering mouse polling rate is the best method so far in dropping idle voltage while having iCue in the background...I am not competitive gamer so I'm not really noticing difference lowering polling rate. In saying that in-game (Witcher 3) the CPU still boosted to my usual 4.275GHz even with the 99% Max setting which was interesting.
using a 99% maximum fully disables boosting though.
Yea it appears that way I've put it back up to 100%. I think SDK setting + lowering mouse polling rate is the best method so far in dropping idle voltage while having iCue in the background...I am not competitive gamer so I'm not really noticing difference lowering polling rate. In saying that in-game (Witcher 3) the CPU still boosted to my usual 4.275GHz even with the 99% Max setting which was interesting.
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Posted on: 08/19/2019 11:07 AM
They don't suck at all for gaming now, ive just gone from a 5930K, to a 3700x, and couldn't be happier, they're great for gaming
Gone from a 6700K to a 3800X and I'm quite happy with my choice. I get better FPS in several CPU hungry games where my 6700K would bottleneck my 2080Ti.
I am shocked that karma777police has not been banned yet. Great review as always, Hilbert. I am a 3800X owner, and I am getting higher than average stock boosting. My CPU boosts up to 4.55 on 5 cores, and 4.65 on 3 cores. The CPU randomly picks which ones will hit 4.55 and 4.65. I would bet that it will hit even higher clocks once winter comes around. I see no need to overclock this CPU at all.
Wow, you've got a golden chip for sure. So you haven't OCd per CCX? If I leave HWInfo running I have seen one core boost to 4550MHz but this never happens in games (where it matters for me). The CPU typically runs at 4325-4350Mhz (all-core) when playing WoW for example.
It appears that the only CPU out of the 3700X, 3800X, and 3900X that is actually boosting to its advertised speed or higher is the 3800X. Mine hits 4.55-4.65 on its own, and every other 3800X seems to also be hitting at least the advertised 4.5 speed without overclocking. Aura89 is also a 3800X owner, and his hits 4.5 at stock as well. The 3700X is limited by its 65 watt TDP, and I think AMD should have made it a 90 watt part instead. They could have just done this, and then there would be no need for the 3800X to exist. I bet that future AGESA updates will cause the 3800X to pull further ahead of the 3700X in performance. AGESA 1.0.0.3ABB has already slightly reduced the speed of the 3700X.
Which mobo and AGESA are you running atm?
if it's any help to Corsair peripherals users
I found recently why iCue used 8-9% of my cpu making the cpu run at max clock non-stop
go in settings and uncheck "enable SDK" it's what using the cpu so much, after disabling it iCue only uses 1.0-1.2% of my cpu allowing it to downclock to 800Mhz (intel)
Corsair is not the only one with that kind of thing as G.Skill trident z lightning rgb control app does the same if you activate the "music mode" (7% cpu usage)
I hate that iCUE PoS so much!! I've battled with it for hours yesterday trying to find a way to save DPI/lightning profile on my Ironclaw mouse but I have no idea how to do it.
Anyway, iCUE is the only program that doesn't allow my CPU to idle down to as low as 0,2v. I'll try the SDK thing since I don't really use it tbh.
Why? My fans are controlled by the Commander Pro so wouldn't I need it running? Also lighting side of things.
Thanks for that info! Will test it out when I get home.
You run the fans at a fixed speed all the time? I would want to change the fan speeds based on the game I play. WoW for example doesn't need as much cooling as TD2.
I think this look to be the better deal then 9900k. I really am tempted to just make new system even though my personal 6700k will be fine for the next 2 years or so
Since you've only got a 1070, I can understand your choice but personally I'm really happy with the switch from 6700K to 3800X. The difference is huge in games like AC:Odyssey, Anthem, SotTR. I also feel I have more even FPS with less lows. Also my 2080Ti is able to really stretch its legs now and not be bottlenecked by the 6700K.
They don't suck at all for gaming now, ive just gone from a 5930K, to a 3700x, and couldn't be happier, they're great for gaming
Gone from a 6700K to a 3800X and I'm quite happy with my choice. I get better FPS in several CPU hungry games where my 6700K would bottleneck my 2080Ti.
I am shocked that karma777police has not been banned yet. Great review as always, Hilbert. I am a 3800X owner, and I am getting higher than average stock boosting. My CPU boosts up to 4.55 on 5 cores, and 4.65 on 3 cores. The CPU randomly picks which ones will hit 4.55 and 4.65. I would bet that it will hit even higher clocks once winter comes around. I see no need to overclock this CPU at all.
Wow, you've got a golden chip for sure. So you haven't OCd per CCX? If I leave HWInfo running I have seen one core boost to 4550MHz but this never happens in games (where it matters for me). The CPU typically runs at 4325-4350Mhz (all-core) when playing WoW for example.
It appears that the only CPU out of the 3700X, 3800X, and 3900X that is actually boosting to its advertised speed or higher is the 3800X. Mine hits 4.55-4.65 on its own, and every other 3800X seems to also be hitting at least the advertised 4.5 speed without overclocking. Aura89 is also a 3800X owner, and his hits 4.5 at stock as well. The 3700X is limited by its 65 watt TDP, and I think AMD should have made it a 90 watt part instead. They could have just done this, and then there would be no need for the 3800X to exist. I bet that future AGESA updates will cause the 3800X to pull further ahead of the 3700X in performance. AGESA 1.0.0.3ABB has already slightly reduced the speed of the 3700X.
Which mobo and AGESA are you running atm?
if it's any help to Corsair peripherals users
I found recently why iCue used 8-9% of my cpu making the cpu run at max clock non-stop
go in settings and uncheck "enable SDK" it's what using the cpu so much, after disabling it iCue only uses 1.0-1.2% of my cpu allowing it to downclock to 800Mhz (intel)
Corsair is not the only one with that kind of thing as G.Skill trident z lightning rgb control app does the same if you activate the "music mode" (7% cpu usage)
I hate that iCUE PoS so much!! I've battled with it for hours yesterday trying to find a way to save DPI/lightning profile on my Ironclaw mouse but I have no idea how to do it.
Anyway, iCUE is the only program that doesn't allow my CPU to idle down to as low as 0,2v. I'll try the SDK thing since I don't really use it tbh.
Why? My fans are controlled by the Commander Pro so wouldn't I need it running? Also lighting side of things.
Thanks for that info! Will test it out when I get home.
You run the fans at a fixed speed all the time? I would want to change the fan speeds based on the game I play. WoW for example doesn't need as much cooling as TD2.
I think this look to be the better deal then 9900k. I really am tempted to just make new system even though my personal 6700k will be fine for the next 2 years or so
Since you've only got a 1070, I can understand your choice but personally I'm really happy with the switch from 6700K to 3800X. The difference is huge in games like AC:Odyssey, Anthem, SotTR. I also feel I have more even FPS with less lows. Also my 2080Ti is able to really stretch its legs now and not be bottlenecked by the 6700K.
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You run the fans at a fixed speed all the time? I would want to change the fan speeds based on the game I play. WoW for example doesn't need as much cooling as TD2.
Nah I use a custom curve via iCue/Commander Pro. My PC is more or less whisper quiet pretty much all times and that's with 5x LL 120 fans and a Silent Wing fan on the Dark Rock Slim. I only hear it when the room is silent; if I am doing anything be it movies, music or games I don't notice it at all.
Also definitely try the SDK option as suggested by kakiharaFRS (and in my case dropping polling rate also as I am using a Corsair mouse) my idle voltage mostly stays somewhere around 1.05V now.
You run the fans at a fixed speed all the time? I would want to change the fan speeds based on the game I play. WoW for example doesn't need as much cooling as TD2.
Nah I use a custom curve via iCue/Commander Pro. My PC is more or less whisper quiet pretty much all times and that's with 5x LL 120 fans and a Silent Wing fan on the Dark Rock Slim. I only hear it when the room is silent; if I am doing anything be it movies, music or games I don't notice it at all.
Also definitely try the SDK option as suggested by kakiharaFRS (and in my case dropping polling rate also as I am using a Corsair mouse) my idle voltage mostly stays somewhere around 1.05V now.
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Nah I use a custom curve via iCue/Commander Pro. My PC is more or less whisper quiet pretty much all times and that's with 5x LL 120 fans and a Silent Wing fan on the Dark Rock Slim. I only hear it when the room is silent; if I am doing anything be it movies, music or games I don't notice it at all.
Also definitely try the SDK option as suggested by kakiharaFRS (and in my case dropping polling rate also as I am using a Corsair mouse) my idle voltage mostly stays somewhere around 1.05V now.
What case do you have? I thought the LL120s were not performing well at all in my old Lian-Li O11 Dynamic. I tried some Fractal Design X2 GP-12 fans and I could really feel the wind from the fans when holding my hand whereas the LL120s hardly move any air at all.
Nah I use a custom curve via iCue/Commander Pro. My PC is more or less whisper quiet pretty much all times and that's with 5x LL 120 fans and a Silent Wing fan on the Dark Rock Slim. I only hear it when the room is silent; if I am doing anything be it movies, music or games I don't notice it at all.
Also definitely try the SDK option as suggested by kakiharaFRS (and in my case dropping polling rate also as I am using a Corsair mouse) my idle voltage mostly stays somewhere around 1.05V now.
What case do you have? I thought the LL120s were not performing well at all in my old Lian-Li O11 Dynamic. I tried some Fractal Design X2 GP-12 fans and I could really feel the wind from the fans when holding my hand whereas the LL120s hardly move any air at all.
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I have the Corsair 500D SE RGB case (the one with tempered glass panel). 3 front intake and 2 top pushing air out. Originally was going to have just the 3 fans at the front (which came stock) and 1 fan pushing air out back of the case of but the VRM heatsink on my motherboard is too big and the fan was literally squeezing against it so decided to mount it up top (and got an extra fan while I was at it for aesthetics lol).
What case do you have? I thought the LL120s were not performing well at all in my old Lian-Li O11 Dynamic. I tried some Fractal Design X2 GP-12 fans and I could really feel the wind from the fans when holding my hand whereas the LL120s hardly move any air at all.
I have the Corsair 500D SE RGB case (the one with tempered glass panel). 3 front intake and 2 top pushing air out. Originally was going to have just the 3 fans at the front (which came stock) and 1 fan pushing air out back of the case of but the VRM heatsink on my motherboard is too big and the fan was literally squeezing against it so decided to mount it up top (and got an extra fan while I was at it for aesthetics lol).
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Posted on: 08/19/2019 02:14 PM
if you measured earlier the program will have to remeasure, so as not to be misleading 8700к
if you measured earlier the program will have to remeasure, so as not to be misleading 8700к
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Posted on: 08/19/2019 03:30 PM
Impressive. That case must have a dust filter that isn't too dense.
I have the Corsair 500D SE RGB case (the one with tempered glass panel). 3 front intake and 2 top pushing air out. Originally was going to have just the 3 fans at the front (which came stock) and 1 fan pushing air out back of the case of but the VRM heatsink on my motherboard is too big and the fan was literally squeezing against it so decided to mount it up top (and got an extra fan while I was at it for aesthetics lol).
Impressive. That case must have a dust filter that isn't too dense.
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Posted on: 08/19/2019 04:33 PM
Yea it's a nice case. Looks good and fairly easy to build in. Even for someone like me that rarely build PC's (last one was over 6 years ago) I managed to put it together pretty well. Reminds me I should put up some pics of the build sometimes lol.
Impressive. That case must have a dust filter that isn't too dense.
Yea it's a nice case. Looks good and fairly easy to build in. Even for someone like me that rarely build PC's (last one was over 6 years ago) I managed to put it together pretty well. Reminds me I should put up some pics of the build sometimes lol.
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Since you've only got a 1070, I can understand your choice but personally I'm really happy with the switch from 6700K to 3800X. The difference is huge in games like AC:Odyssey, Anthem, SotTR. I also feel I have more even FPS with less lows. Also my 2080Ti is able to really stretch its legs now and not be bottlenecked by the 6700K.
Oh i am sure there is nice boost just looking at cpubenchmarks site the 3800x runs all over 6700k and according to that is faster stp then 9900k but vs 6700k the 3800x is huge jump. i just dont want build new system just yet.
I can get the 3800x and 5xx mobo for 500$ at microcenter but the mobo would be worse then my current mobo . at lest feature wise on the onboard audio. and I pretty much take everything else out of my current pc.
Since you've only got a 1070, I can understand your choice but personally I'm really happy with the switch from 6700K to 3800X. The difference is huge in games like AC:Odyssey, Anthem, SotTR. I also feel I have more even FPS with less lows. Also my 2080Ti is able to really stretch its legs now and not be bottlenecked by the 6700K.
Oh i am sure there is nice boost just looking at cpubenchmarks site the 3800x runs all over 6700k and according to that is faster stp then 9900k but vs 6700k the 3800x is huge jump. i just dont want build new system just yet.
I can get the 3800x and 5xx mobo for 500$ at microcenter but the mobo would be worse then my current mobo . at lest feature wise on the onboard audio. and I pretty much take everything else out of my current pc.
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Posted on: 08/19/2019 09:55 PM
Late reply, as I've went to a short trip outdoors.
Solid processor, solid review.
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@Hilbert Hagedoorn
Hope that you caught some rest ( you seriously need some rest) get those typos
Just trying to help you.
Late reply, as I've went to a short trip outdoors.
Solid processor, solid review.
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@Hilbert Hagedoorn
Hope that you caught some rest ( you seriously need some rest) get those typos
Brutally hinest here, for the Ryzen 7 series, I would recommend you that X470 motherboard to gain the best bang for buck versus featrues and VRM designs
Just trying to help you.
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Late reply, as I've went to a short trip outdoors.
Solid processor, solid review.
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@Hilbert Hagedoorn
Hope that you caught some rest ( you seriously need some rest) get those typos
Just trying to help you.
Why do you need to be brutally hinest like that? :p
Late reply, as I've went to a short trip outdoors.
Solid processor, solid review.
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@Hilbert Hagedoorn
Hope that you caught some rest ( you seriously need some rest) get those typos
Just trying to help you.
Why do you need to be brutally hinest like that? :p
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Hey Netherwind, my motherboard is the Asrock X470 Taichi. I have not bothered with overclocking with my 3800X, as I just don't see the need. The CPU is plenty fast at stock settings for now.
Hey Netherwind, my motherboard is the Asrock X470 Taichi. I have not bothered with overclocking with my 3800X, as I just don't see the need. The CPU is plenty fast at stock settings for now.
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Yea it's a nice case. Looks good and fairly easy to build in. Even for someone like me that rarely build PC's (last one was over 6 years ago) I managed to put it together pretty well. Reminds me I should put up some pics of the build sometimes lol.
Do post pics if you're proud of your build It's always interesting to see how it turned out.
Oh i am sure there is nice boost just looking at cpubenchmarks site the 3800x runs all over 6700k and according to that is faster stp then 9900k but vs 6700k the 3800x is huge jump. i just dont want build new system just yet.
I can get the 3800x and 5xx mobo for 500$ at microcenter but the mobo would be worse then my current mobo . at lest feature wise on the onboard audio. and I pretty much take everything else out of my current pc.
You could always check out a X470 mobo? That's what I got at least and so far it seems like a good choice.
Hey Netherwind, my motherboard is the Asrock X470 Taichi. I have not bothered with overclocking with my 3800X, as I just don't see the need. The CPU is plenty fast at stock settings for now.
Yep, overclocking should be your least concern since your CPU is OCing just nice on its own. I managed a 4,4GHz all-core OC but PBO & AutoOC (+200) does around 4,3GHz on its own so I guess that's where I am at the moment.
Yea it's a nice case. Looks good and fairly easy to build in. Even for someone like me that rarely build PC's (last one was over 6 years ago) I managed to put it together pretty well. Reminds me I should put up some pics of the build sometimes lol.
Do post pics if you're proud of your build
It's always interesting to see how it turned out.Oh i am sure there is nice boost just looking at cpubenchmarks site the 3800x runs all over 6700k and according to that is faster stp then 9900k but vs 6700k the 3800x is huge jump. i just dont want build new system just yet.
I can get the 3800x and 5xx mobo for 500$ at microcenter but the mobo would be worse then my current mobo . at lest feature wise on the onboard audio. and I pretty much take everything else out of my current pc.
You could always check out a X470 mobo? That's what I got at least and so far it seems like a good choice.
Hey Netherwind, my motherboard is the Asrock X470 Taichi. I have not bothered with overclocking with my 3800X, as I just don't see the need. The CPU is plenty fast at stock settings for now.
Yep, overclocking should be your least concern since your CPU is OCing just nice on its own. I managed a 4,4GHz all-core OC but PBO & AutoOC (+200) does around 4,3GHz on its own so I guess that's where I am at the moment.
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Haha yea still thinking if I should get some custom cable extensions for the 24 pin and PCIe 6+2 and need to retake pic of backside of case since I originally had a couple fugly red sata cables before finding black ones which I've since replaced them with lol.
Do post pics if you're proud of your build It's always interesting to see how it turned out.
It's always interesting to see how it turned out.Haha yea still thinking if I should get some custom cable extensions for the 24 pin and PCIe 6+2 and need to retake pic of backside of case since I originally had a couple fugly red sata cables before finding black ones which I've since replaced them with lol.
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Posted on: 08/20/2019 01:53 PM
OC headroom is non-existing on Ryzen. Even when you buy 3800X over 3700X, you end up with the same OC in the end haha.
Oh well.. Maybe 4000 series will beat 8700K in gaming :p
Not quite true I did manage to get that 4,4GHz all-core OC, I just need to bump up the Vcore ever so slightly. This would mean a 100-150MHz increase in games
OC headroom is non-existing on Ryzen. Even when you buy 3800X over 3700X, you end up with the same OC in the end haha.
Oh well.. Maybe 4000 series will beat 8700K in gaming :p
Not quite true
I did manage to get that 4,4GHz all-core OC, I just need to bump up the Vcore ever so slightly. This would mean a 100-150MHz increase in games
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OC headroom is non-existing on Ryzen. Even when you buy 3800X over 3700X, you end up with the same OC in the end haha.
Oh well.. Maybe 4000 series will beat 8700K in gaming :p
Let's keep bait posts to ourselves please, thanks.
OC headroom is non-existing on Ryzen. Even when you buy 3800X over 3700X, you end up with the same OC in the end haha.
Oh well.. Maybe 4000 series will beat 8700K in gaming :p
Let's keep bait posts to ourselves please, thanks.
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So when is AMD coming with an cpu that beats the OLD overclocked 7980xe in everything? Like rendering AND gaming/latencysensitiv programs?
Shouldn't you be comparing to Threadripper?
Its still the wrong thread.