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AMD Ryzen 7 3800X review
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We reviewed pretty much all Series 3000 processors from AMD, however one review had been missing, until today that is, join us un a review of the feisty and spicy Ryzen 7 3800X eight-core processor.
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Toadstool
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 04:51 PM
The 3800x is more interesting than I thought I'd be. It's still pretty much a stopgap between the 3700x and 3900x but the bump over the 3700x is more than I thought it'd be, still maybe not as good bang for your buck as the 3700x but interesting none the less.
Also, karma777police never disappoints.
The 3800x is more interesting than I thought I'd be. It's still pretty much a stopgap between the 3700x and 3900x but the bump over the 3700x is more than I thought it'd be, still maybe not as good bang for your buck as the 3700x but interesting none the less.
Also, karma777police never disappoints.
schmidtbag
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 05:12 PM
I share your opinion, though I know others here would strongly disagree. I personally am satisfied with 60FPS, which is why I'm still fine with my mediocre 1500X.
Yeah but any difference in fps over 144 is not worth talking about imo. Personally i think it's dangerous to assume a difference in fps at high fps will translate to the same % of difference in a gpu bound scenario with a lower fps.
I share your opinion, though I know others here would strongly disagree. I personally am satisfied with 60FPS, which is why I'm still fine with my mediocre 1500X.
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 05:47 PM
Personally i like to have between 80-90. I have a 144Hz screen and honestly i can tell when my fps drop in the 60 range. But i'll be honest i can't tell the difference between 100 and 144fps. Maybe some can but personally i can't.
I share your opinion, though I know others here would strongly disagree. I personally am satisfied with 60FPS, which is why I'm still fine with my mediocre 1500X.
Personally i like to have between 80-90. I have a 144Hz screen and honestly i can tell when my fps drop in the 60 range. But i'll be honest i can't tell the difference between 100 and 144fps. Maybe some can but personally i can't.
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 05:51 PM
So about +10% base clock vs 3700x yet most of the benches are only about 2-3% diff. I know bin milking is a common practice, but would have expected better results tbh.
So about +10% base clock vs 3700x yet most of the benches are only about 2-3% diff. I know bin milking is a common practice, but would have expected better results tbh.
Rich_Guy
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 07:02 PM
in other words AMD cpu still suck for gaming.
They don't suck at all for gaming now, ive just gone from a 5930K, to a 3700x, and couldn't be happier, they're great for gaming
in other words AMD cpu still suck for gaming.
They don't suck at all for gaming now, ive just gone from a 5930K, to a 3700x, and couldn't be happier, they're great for gaming
nizzen
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 07:17 PM
My 3900x is pretty good @ gaming now after "tweaking"
9900k is still better in gaming, but who cares :p
My 3900x is pretty good @ gaming now after "tweaking"
9900k is still better in gaming, but who cares :p
NCC1701D
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 08:06 PM
I'm wondering if these results are from an older bios/AGESA. For my 3700X, I applied the new chipset drivers and asrock released an updated bios just a couple of days ago for my board. My cinebench scores are right there with the 3800X that HH shows and the 3700X scores shown are right about what my chip used to get before I updated. Assuming the 3800X would be even a notch better than what's shown here depending on which version is used for testing.
So about +10% base clock vs 3700x yet most of the benches are only about 2-3% diff. I know bin milking is a common practice, but would have expected better results tbh.
I'm wondering if these results are from an older bios/AGESA. For my 3700X, I applied the new chipset drivers and asrock released an updated bios just a couple of days ago for my board. My cinebench scores are right there with the 3800X that HH shows and the 3700X scores shown are right about what my chip used to get before I updated. Assuming the 3800X would be even a notch better than what's shown here depending on which version is used for testing.
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 08:39 PM
"Overclocking is the weak spot for Ryzen."
Why do you keep saying this?
• It begs the question that manual OC is even desirable.
• It ignores the fact that Ryzen "overclocks" itself just fine.
• It makes a strength appear to be a weakness.
People will read this one sentence and conclude that Ryzen is seriously lacking. All the words after that won't matter.
"Overclocking is the weak spot for Ryzen."
Why do you keep saying this?
• It begs the question that manual OC is even desirable.
• It ignores the fact that Ryzen "overclocks" itself just fine.
• It makes a strength appear to be a weakness.
People will read this one sentence and conclude that Ryzen is seriously lacking. All the words after that won't matter.
Agonist
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 08:41 PM
I still sew moronic fanboyism runs amuck with Intel shills.
I still sew moronic fanboyism runs amuck with Intel shills.
Evildead666
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 08:43 PM
I'm going froman i5-3570K to a 3800X.
Keeping the Vega64 EKWB though. Seem to have changed everything else almost.
Can't wait to actually use it watercooled.
edit : Have a 6670LP in it atm...best aircooled card I have left.
They don't suck at all for gaming now, ive just gone from a 5930K, to a 3700x, and couldn't be happier, they're great for gaming
I'm going froman i5-3570K to a 3800X.
Keeping the Vega64 EKWB though. Seem to have changed everything else almost.
Can't wait to actually use it watercooled.
edit : Have a 6670LP in it atm...best aircooled card I have left.
Global unlimited
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 08:43 PM
Conclusion
720p difference between 9900k and 3800x is going to creep at 1440p with 4000 series Nvidia card in other words AMD cpu still suck for gaming.
Amen, brother! You and I will stick to 720p gaming while the rest of the uninformed will purchase Ryzen and game on that newfangled 1440p nonsense!
In all seriousness. If you're gaming at 1080p Intel is a good choice. Anything above that and either CPU is a good choice. If you're spending the bucks on a 9900K though, 1080p is probably not the resolution you're going to run at. Unless of course you like those fancy 240Hz monitors,then by all means, get the 9900K. Your creep explanation makes no sense however, and that will not be forgiven.
Conclusion
720p difference between 9900k and 3800x is going to creep at 1440p with 4000 series Nvidia card in other words AMD cpu still suck for gaming.
Amen, brother! You and I will stick to 720p gaming while the rest of the uninformed will purchase Ryzen and game on that newfangled 1440p nonsense!
In all seriousness. If you're gaming at 1080p Intel is a good choice. Anything above that and either CPU is a good choice. If you're spending the bucks on a 9900K though, 1080p is probably not the resolution you're going to run at. Unless of course you like those fancy 240Hz monitors,then by all means, get the 9900K. Your creep explanation makes no sense however, and that will not be forgiven.
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 08:47 PM
I am shocked that karma777police has not been banned yet. Great review as always, Hilbert. I am a 3800X owner, and I am getting higher than average stock boosting. My CPU boosts up to 4.55 on 5 cores, and 4.65 on 3 cores. The CPU randomly picks which ones will hit 4.55 and 4.65. I would bet that it will hit even higher clocks once winter comes around. I see no need to overclock this CPU at all.
I am shocked that karma777police has not been banned yet. Great review as always, Hilbert. I am a 3800X owner, and I am getting higher than average stock boosting. My CPU boosts up to 4.55 on 5 cores, and 4.65 on 3 cores. The CPU randomly picks which ones will hit 4.55 and 4.65. I would bet that it will hit even higher clocks once winter comes around. I see no need to overclock this CPU at all.
H83
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 09:07 PM
Very nice CPU but i think the 3700x is a better buy over this one.
I don´t think anyone can spot that type of differences but the good thing of having an higher FPS than needed is that it compensantes frame drops much better. For example if we have a game running between 80/90 frames and something more taxing happens suddenly, the frame rate can drop bellow the 60 mark and you are going to notice it. But if the game game is running at more than 120 FPS and the same taxing stuff happens, the frame rate will probably drop to the 80/90 mark and we are not going to notice it.
So more more is better unless i´m mistaken...
Great review as always!
Very nice CPU but i think the 3700x is a better buy over this one.
Personally i like to have between 80-90. I have a 144Hz screen and honestly i can tell when my fps drop in the 60 range. But i'll be honest i can't tell the difference between 100 and 144fps. Maybe some can but personally i can't.
I don´t think anyone can spot that type of differences but the good thing of having an higher FPS than needed is that it compensantes frame drops much better. For example if we have a game running between 80/90 frames and something more taxing happens suddenly, the frame rate can drop bellow the 60 mark and you are going to notice it. But if the game game is running at more than 120 FPS and the same taxing stuff happens, the frame rate will probably drop to the 80/90 mark and we are not going to notice it.
So more more is better unless i´m mistaken...
Great review as always!
Rich_Guy
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 09:38 PM
I'm going froman i5-3570K to a 3800X.
Keeping the Vega64 EKWB though. Seem to have changed everything else almost.
Can't wait to actually use it watercooled.
edit : Have a 6670LP in it atm...best aircooled card I have left.
You wont be disappointed.
I'm going froman i5-3570K to a 3800X.
Keeping the Vega64 EKWB though. Seem to have changed everything else almost.
Can't wait to actually use it watercooled.
edit : Have a 6670LP in it atm...best aircooled card I have left.
You wont be disappointed.
Pictus
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 10:08 PM
One thing is for sure, current AMD cpus are safer than current Intel cpus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient-execution-CPU-vulnerabilities
One thing is for sure, current AMD cpus are safer than current Intel cpus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient-execution-CPU-vulnerabilities
Global unlimited
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 10:08 PM
"Overclocking is the weak spot for Ryzen."
Why do you keep saying this?
• It begs the question that manual OC is even desirable.
• It ignores the fact that Ryzen "overclocks" itself just fine.
• It makes a strength appear to be a weakness.
People will read this one sentence and conclude that Ryzen is seriously lacking. All the words after that won't matter.
I don't think people are going to conclude what you think based of that one sentence. People are a little smarter than that. I also think it comes down to him maybe not being a native English speaker. People get bent out of shape all the time by the wording in stuff he says, but he does a pretty good job of explaining what he means if you read the accompanying detail. Technically, he's not wrong either. Those that like to tinker and are used to Intel chips might find the lack of OC headroom boring. I get what you're saying though. Weak might be the wrong word.
You don't really need to fight in defense of AMD anymore either. They've proven themselves over the last couple of years and those that don't see it aren't likely to magically jump on board because he changes the wording of a sentence. Some people are brand Zealots and like to pick apart anything negative said about their brand of preference. Don't do that. Just buy what makes sense for you.
"Overclocking is the weak spot for Ryzen."
Why do you keep saying this?
• It begs the question that manual OC is even desirable.
• It ignores the fact that Ryzen "overclocks" itself just fine.
• It makes a strength appear to be a weakness.
People will read this one sentence and conclude that Ryzen is seriously lacking. All the words after that won't matter.
I don't think people are going to conclude what you think based of that one sentence. People are a little smarter than that. I also think it comes down to him maybe not being a native English speaker. People get bent out of shape all the time by the wording in stuff he says, but he does a pretty good job of explaining what he means if you read the accompanying detail. Technically, he's not wrong either. Those that like to tinker and are used to Intel chips might find the lack of OC headroom boring. I get what you're saying though. Weak might be the wrong word.
You don't really need to fight in defense of AMD anymore either. They've proven themselves over the last couple of years and those that don't see it aren't likely to magically jump on board because he changes the wording of a sentence. Some people are brand Zealots and like to pick apart anything negative said about their brand of preference. Don't do that. Just buy what makes sense for you.
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 10:46 PM
The fuck are you talking about? Win 7 not only looks better it's completely functional without issues. I have a perfectly running system, and have no issues outside of no being able to run a couple Microsoft games because they won't release them.
Public education has nothing to do with anything. In fact, I know more about computers than the vast majority of people. Win 10 can suck my fucking balls.
Windows 7 in 2019 lol, you'd have to be joking right. OMG the public education system has failed so hard...
The fuck are you talking about? Win 7 not only looks better it's completely functional without issues. I have a perfectly running system, and have no issues outside of no being able to run a couple Microsoft games because they won't release them.
Public education has nothing to do with anything. In fact, I know more about computers than the vast majority of people. Win 10 can suck my fucking balls.
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 10:47 PM
Dude I was just as hard headed as you about windows 10..."I loved 7" So about 3 months ago I said WTH let's do it.....took about 1hour and bam! ....windows 10 is better/faster and still free!
PS: Did I mention I was hard headed....Grrrrr!....:p
BETTER FASTER OH MY! Like I have about 30 processes running on my 7 machine and control everything I can about it. It doesn't get much faster. SSD is the only thing that needs to be changed.
At some point Win 10 might be the answer, but I don't need it. Why do I need it? You haven't convinced me.
Dude I was just as hard headed as you about windows 10..."I loved 7" So about 3 months ago I said WTH let's do it.....took about 1hour and bam! ....windows 10 is better/faster and still free!
PS: Did I mention I was hard headed....Grrrrr!....:p
BETTER FASTER OH MY! Like I have about 30 processes running on my 7 machine and control everything I can about it. It doesn't get much faster. SSD is the only thing that needs to be changed.
At some point Win 10 might be the answer, but I don't need it. Why do I need it? You haven't convinced me.
Khronikos
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 10:49 PM
I prefer win 7 aesthetics to be honest. Besides, win 10 gives me nothing but less privacy and more bullshit.
At some point yeah a switch will be in order. That time is not now.
Even with all my complaints about W10, W7 is no where superior and W10 copies are practically being given away at today's prices.
I prefer win 7 aesthetics to be honest. Besides, win 10 gives me nothing but less privacy and more bullshit.
At some point yeah a switch will be in order. That time is not now.
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 10:53 PM
I prefer win 7 aesthetics to be honest. Besides, win 10 gives me nothing but less privacy and more bullshit.
At some point yeah a switch will be in order. That time is not now.
I'm pretty sure there's a God Mode for Windows 10 that lets you do just about anything.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&channel=trow&q=win10+god+mode
or
https://www.howtogeek.com/402458/enable-god-mode-in-windows-10/
I prefer win 7 aesthetics to be honest. Besides, win 10 gives me nothing but less privacy and more bullshit.
At some point yeah a switch will be in order. That time is not now.
I'm pretty sure there's a God Mode for Windows 10 that lets you do just about anything.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&channel=trow&q=win10+god+mode
or
https://www.howtogeek.com/402458/enable-god-mode-in-windows-10/
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Posted on: 08/16/2019 11:34 PM
Hilbert, you deserve more money and revenue for the honest tech reviews and the effort for offering so fine details in your reviews.
Somehow, I just think:
This Hilbert, he doesn't sleep, he is some weird borg person so insanely dedicated to giving the last detail for the most accurate tech review.
But I digress...
Oh, I'd be bankrupt to the level of a homeless dude if I need to compensate all my typos!
Hilbert, you deserve more money and revenue for the honest tech reviews and the effort for offering so fine details in your reviews.
Somehow, I just think:
This Hilbert, he doesn't sleep, he is some weird borg person so insanely dedicated to giving the last detail for the most accurate tech review.
But I digress...
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Posted on: 08/17/2019 12:16 AM
We need to keep someone around the forum for sh!ts and giggles.
Been trying to tinker with my new 3700X a bit over the past few days (not that I am any good at it) and quite frankly I am getting the best overall performance simply letting the CPU do it's own thing which I actually think is wonderful. Despite that there're definitely some teething issues that AMD along with board vendors need to address. FWIW my system has been running very stable otherwise and the only real "concern" is the high idle voltage as we have no way of knowing how it affects the CPU longevity (I for one tend to keep my build for many years) and to a lesser extend CPU not quite boosting to the advertised speeds (though it seems like 3800X owners are not having that issue).
I am shocked that karma777police has not been banned yet. Great review as always, Hilbert. I am a 3800X owner, and I am getting higher than average stock boosting. My CPU boosts up to 4.55 on 5 cores, and 4.65 on 3 cores. The CPU randomly picks which ones will hit 4.55 and 4.65. I would bet that it will hit even higher clocks once winter comes around. I see no need to overclock this CPU at all.
We need to keep someone around the forum for sh!ts and giggles.
Been trying to tinker with my new 3700X a bit over the past few days (not that I am any good at it) and quite frankly I am getting the best overall performance simply letting the CPU do it's own thing which I actually think is wonderful. Despite that there're definitely some teething issues that AMD along with board vendors need to address. FWIW my system has been running very stable otherwise and the only real "concern" is the high idle voltage as we have no way of knowing how it affects the CPU longevity (I for one tend to keep my build for many years) and to a lesser extend CPU not quite boosting to the advertised speeds (though it seems like 3800X owners are not having that issue).
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Posted on: 08/17/2019 01:05 AM
My 3900x is pretty good @ gaming now after "tweaking"
9900k is still better in gaming, but who cares :p
What's your DRAM voltage? Also, is geardownmode on or off?
My 3900x is pretty good @ gaming now after "tweaking"
9900k is still better in gaming, but who cares :p
What's your DRAM voltage? Also, is geardownmode on or off?
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Posted on: 08/17/2019 01:57 AM
Geardownmode off
1,47v dram
4x3200c14 g.skill ripjaws
What's your DRAM voltage? Also, is geardownmode on or off?
Geardownmode off
1,47v dram
4x3200c14 g.skill ripjaws
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I wonder if any or many games studios use Intel's compiler to build? It has been shown to disable optimal code paths at runtime if it detects it's not an Intel cpu.
It's just strange how the Zen 2 often beats Intel considerably in single threaded and multi-threaded tests, but when it comes to games, Intel still just has a slight edge. An edge that I don't think is worth caring about, but still.
Its likely down to frequency and latencies involved trying to produce 120+FPS. Also some games are simply going to be more Intel optimized which will give n percent better performance but that percentage makes a higher number when you get into very high frame rates so it seems like a larger difference than it really is. See this video for a 3700x and 9900k at 4Ghz on all cores compared. AMD is winning in CS:GO in this test and many of the workstation tests. For the most part what this means is AMD needs to get the boost frequency up to around 5ghz to make the very high FPS gamers choose them over Intel which we hopefully will see on the 7nm+ process next year.