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The 7nm processor revolution is here, join us as we review the new Ryzen 7 3700X & Ryzen 9 3900X processors from AMD. 7nm Zen2 processors have arrived. A new architecture, a chiplet design, X570 Chipsets and of course we have some procs to look at!
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Ryu5uzaku
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:45 PM
It seems I wouldn't want to oc it. Better gaming perf in general w/o oc because higher single core frequencies.
Ryzen 3900x 4.2ghz RIP 1.45v. Just ask der8auer and Hardware Unboxed. Be careful overclocking this CPU, new owners.
It seems I wouldn't want to oc it. Better gaming perf in general w/o oc because higher single core frequencies.
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:47 PM
Why would I? I did read Hilbert's review. That speaks for itself. If you need some other page as argument while power data are available here, you are doing something wrongly.
A new BIOS is not going to fix voltage requirements and heat. All core, a 3900x will struggle to reach 4.2ghz. The heat and voltage required is too high. Watch der8auer's video.
Why would I? I did read Hilbert's review. That speaks for itself. If you need some other page as argument while power data are available here, you are doing something wrongly.
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:49 PM
High PBO + High LLC... bad idea.
In MT benchmarks, it does perform 50% better than 3700X in general.
In comparison to my 2700X it is 50~80% faster in productivity workloads.
Video you listed came with some 12~18IPC incresse, so even if 4.2GHz was all core boost, 12% above Zen+ would make it same as 4.7GHz Zen+. And 18% as 4.95GHz Zen+.
I think I am fine with those values. Or are we back in Bulldozer times of GHz race? How did you like that 4GHz comparison?
Ryzen 3k won in Cinebench, and lost in games @ 4ghz:
So if you "play" Cinebnech 24/7, the Ryzen 3k is the thing
High PBO + High LLC... bad idea.
In MT benchmarks, it does perform 50% better than 3700X in general.
In comparison to my 2700X it is 50~80% faster in productivity workloads.
Video you listed came with some 12~18IPC incresse, so even if 4.2GHz was all core boost, 12% above Zen+ would make it same as 4.7GHz Zen+. And 18% as 4.95GHz Zen+.
I think I am fine with those values. Or are we back in Bulldozer times of GHz race? How did you like that 4GHz comparison?
Ryzen 3k won in Cinebench, and lost in games @ 4ghz:
So if you "play" Cinebnech 24/7, the Ryzen 3k is the thing
jwb1
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:49 PM
Because looking at more results from other people is not a bad thing? And no offense to Hilbert, but der8auer knows his stuff.
Why would I? I did read Hilbert's review. That speaks for itself. If you need some other page as argument while power data are available here, you are doing something wrongly.
Because looking at more results from other people is not a bad thing? And no offense to Hilbert, but der8auer knows his stuff.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:52 PM
Mate your tremendous hard-on for Intel is showing real obviously. People in this thread are getting annoyed by it. I suggest toning down a little. If you don't like the product, don't buy it. it is that simple. BTW I had the proc at 1.55 Volts, didn't break down either. But hey, what do I know, right?
Because looking at more results from other people is not a bad thing? And no offense to Hilbert, but der8auer knows his stuff.
Mate your tremendous hard-on for Intel is showing real obviously. People in this thread are getting annoyed by it. I suggest toning down a little. If you don't like the product, don't buy it. it is that simple. BTW I had the proc at 1.55 Volts, didn't break down either. But hey, what do I know, right?
jwb1
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:55 PM
No, I'm pointing out the obvious downsides to their product and the bloated PR marketing. There's something wrong when Gamers Nexus gets nothing, because they don't sugar coat their reviews to either Intel or AMD, and a known AMD fan/promoter YouTuber called Joker Productions gets review samples of 3700x/3900x.
On a 3900x? Stable? And at what temps and all core frequency did you obtain?
Mate your tremendous hard-on for Intel is showing real obviously. People in this thread are getting annoyed by it. I suggest toning down a little. BTW I had the proc at 1.55 Volts, didn't break down either. But hey, what do I know, right?
No, I'm pointing out the obvious downsides to their product and the bloated PR marketing. There's something wrong when Gamers Nexus gets nothing, because they don't sugar coat their reviews to either Intel or AMD, and a known AMD fan/promoter YouTuber called Joker Productions gets review samples of 3700x/3900x.
On a 3900x? Stable? And at what temps and all core frequency did you obtain?
Fox2232
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:58 PM
Ryzen 3k won in Cinebench, and lost in games @ 4ghz:
So if you "play" Cinebnech 24/7, the Ryzen 3k is the thing
I do not see 3700X which I can have for $321 (excluding tax) as losing to 9900K which I can have for $511 (excluding tax) in this scenario. Neither would be 3900X in similar scenario as it has much wider use outside of gaming.
Ryzen 3k won in Cinebench, and lost in games @ 4ghz:
So if you "play" Cinebnech 24/7, the Ryzen 3k is the thing
I do not see 3700X which I can have for $321 (excluding tax) as losing to 9900K which I can have for $511 (excluding tax) in this scenario. Neither would be 3900X in similar scenario as it has much wider use outside of gaming.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:59 PM
The process of tweaking is finding your max all-core clock with the lowest possible voltage. 4.5 GHz was not stable, 4.4 GHz did (difficult) but 1.55v was simply not needed and as such it's lowered until you find just the right balance between voltage and frequency in order to preserve heat and power consumption.
On a 3900x? Stable? And at what temps and all core frequency did you obtain?
The process of tweaking is finding your max all-core clock with the lowest possible voltage. 4.5 GHz was not stable, 4.4 GHz did (difficult) but 1.55v was simply not needed and as such it's lowered until you find just the right balance between voltage and frequency in order to preserve heat and power consumption.
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 05:00 PM
Sorry but this is pure fabrication unless you're able to, you know, actually provide stats about this. Gamers nexus even in their 3600 review stated they are reviewing the 3700x and 3900x, and in a previous "status update" or whatever you want to call some of their youtube videos they have stated how busy they are because of all the reviews, including the 3000 series, they have had to be doing. That was posted 2 days ago.
Are there some companies that didn't get review samples? Sure. Why? Who knows, your speculations however are simply BS. Not everyone gets reviews.
There's something wrong when Gamers Nexus gets nothing,
Sorry but this is pure fabrication unless you're able to, you know, actually provide stats about this. Gamers nexus even in their 3600 review stated they are reviewing the 3700x and 3900x, and in a previous "status update" or whatever you want to call some of their youtube videos they have stated how busy they are because of all the reviews, including the 3000 series, they have had to be doing. That was posted 2 days ago.
Are there some companies that didn't get review samples? Sure. Why? Who knows, your speculations however are simply BS. Not everyone gets reviews.
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 05:01 PM
No, I'm pointing out the obvious downsides to their product and the bloated PR marketing. There's something wrong when Gamers Nexus gets nothing, because they don't sugar coat their reviews to either Intel or AMD, and a known AMD fan/promoter YouTuber called Joker Productions gets review samples of 3700x/3900x.
On a 3900x? Stable? And at what temps and all core frequency did you obtain?
Yes, we get it - you've made your point. You've stated more than enough that it doesn't OC well. Considering how variable the results are on a brand new product, it's to be expected that stability will improve over time.
Move on.
No, I'm pointing out the obvious downsides to their product and the bloated PR marketing. There's something wrong when Gamers Nexus gets nothing, because they don't sugar coat their reviews to either Intel or AMD, and a known AMD fan/promoter YouTuber called Joker Productions gets review samples of 3700x/3900x.
On a 3900x? Stable? And at what temps and all core frequency did you obtain?
Yes, we get it - you've made your point. You've stated more than enough that it doesn't OC well. Considering how variable the results are on a brand new product, it's to be expected that stability will improve over time.
Move on.
jwb1
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 05:01 PM
Sorry but this is pure fabrication unless you're able to, you know, actually provide stats about this. Gamers nexus even in their 3600 review stated they are reviewing the 3700x and 3900x, and in a previous "status update" or whatever you want to call some of their youtube videos they have stated how busy they are because of all the reviews, including the 3000 series, they have had to be doing. That was posted 2 days ago.
Are there some companies that didn't get review samples? Sure. Why? Who knows, your speculations however are simply BS. Not everyone gets reviews.
Their sample was provided by a third party they made this clear. That's the only reason they were able to do the 3600 at launch.
Sorry but this is pure fabrication unless you're able to, you know, actually provide stats about this. Gamers nexus even in their 3600 review stated they are reviewing the 3700x and 3900x, and in a previous "status update" or whatever you want to call some of their youtube videos they have stated how busy they are because of all the reviews, including the 3000 series, they have had to be doing. That was posted 2 days ago.
Are there some companies that didn't get review samples? Sure. Why? Who knows, your speculations however are simply BS. Not everyone gets reviews.
Their sample was provided by a third party they made this clear. That's the only reason they were able to do the 3600 at launch.
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 05:02 PM
Where? provide your information.
Direct from their 3600 review:
"We noticed that, interestingly, our R9 3900X and R7 3700X overclocked with much lower voltage requirements than our R5 3600."
Their sample was provided by a third party they made this clear.
Where? provide your information.
Direct from their 3600 review:
"We noticed that, interestingly, our R9 3900X and R7 3700X overclocked with much lower voltage requirements than our R5 3600."
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 05:03 PM
Where? provide your information.
Direct from their 3600 review:
"We noticed that, interestingly, our R9 3900X and R7 3700X overclocked with much lower voltage requirements than our R5 3600."
https://twitter.com/GamersNexus/status/1147862614443286528
Where? provide your information.
Direct from their 3600 review:
"We noticed that, interestingly, our R9 3900X and R7 3700X overclocked with much lower voltage requirements than our R5 3600."
https://twitter.com/GamersNexus/status/1147862614443286528
Aura89
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 05:06 PM
That's for their 3600, which yes even in the article they state
"We got a production sample of one of the R5 3600 CPUs through a third-party"
No one else seems to have gotten a 3600 CPU either, i don't see a review here, or anywhere, that's not production samples floating around the world.
And that's not the question that you are obviously avoiding.
The question is where does gamer nexus state they did not get a 3700x and 3900x for review, of which were the (at least first) CPUs sent out for reviews? That's what you stated, right here:
Of which Gamers Nexus, doesn't ever state, anywhere, and even make statements like shown above:
"We noticed that, interestingly, our R9 3900X and R7 3700X overclocked with much lower voltage requirements than our R5 3600."
Actually if you view their video, they show the 3600 taped over, a 3700x and a 3900x all sitting next to eachother........good job bud.
That's for their 3600, which yes even in the article they state
"We got a production sample of one of the R5 3600 CPUs through a third-party"
No one else seems to have gotten a 3600 CPU either, i don't see a review here, or anywhere, that's not production samples floating around the world.
And that's not the question that you are obviously avoiding.
The question is where does gamer nexus state they did not get a 3700x and 3900x for review, of which were the (at least first) CPUs sent out for reviews? That's what you stated, right here:
There's something wrong when Gamers Nexus gets nothing
Of which Gamers Nexus, doesn't ever state, anywhere, and even make statements like shown above:
"We noticed that, interestingly, our R9 3900X and R7 3700X overclocked with much lower voltage requirements than our R5 3600."
Actually if you view their video, they show the 3600 taped over, a 3700x and a 3900x all sitting next to eachother........good job bud.
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 05:06 PM
The take away from all of this is that unless you are buying a 9900k(s) specifically to of the snot out of it there is no need to buy an intel proc.
The take away from all of this is that unless you are buying a 9900k(s) specifically to of the snot out of it there is no need to buy an intel proc.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 05:08 PM
Jeeeezus .. what it the GN thread or my Ryzen 3000 review thread? GN was at tech day, the received samples, and if you bothered to read their front page they have been too busy and focussed on the 3600 instead. Back on topic now, on our review. I am not asking again.
Jeeeezus .. what it the GN thread or my Ryzen 3000 review thread? GN was at tech day, the received samples, and if you bothered to read their front page they have been too busy and focussed on the 3600 instead. Back on topic now, on our review. I am not asking again.
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 05:10 PM
HH your hard work paid off, excellent review.
These chips are excellent, the OC is disappointing but for the price, great cpus.
HH your hard work paid off, excellent review.
These chips are excellent, the OC is disappointing but for the price, great cpus.
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 05:14 PM
@jwb1
Mate, we go it.
Thanks for keeping us safe from AMD's "wrongdoing".
1: Don't like AMD, please buy Intel.
2: Not everyone overclocks, there are so many things to consider, productivity wise.
3:Have more accurate information? Please provide in a clear, professional manner.
4:We can read between lines, and until now some mods are really keen to know your next move.
5: Chill out lad, not everything in life is about some GHZ gained in overclocking.
6:Nothing personal, but I like the academic relaxed tone of this forum. Overzealous gurus tend to get my attention the wrong way.
For gaming ONLY Intel delivers, at premium prices (CPU+platform).
AMD Offers all minus some performance gaming wise.
Money are tight, buy what you can afford/like.
Cheers,
@jwb1
Mate, we go it.
Thanks for keeping us safe from AMD's "wrongdoing".
1: Don't like AMD, please buy Intel.
2: Not everyone overclocks, there are so many things to consider, productivity wise.
3:Have more accurate information? Please provide in a clear, professional manner.
4:We can read between lines, and until now some mods are really keen to know your next move.
5: Chill out lad, not everything in life is about some GHZ gained in overclocking.
6:Nothing personal, but I like the academic relaxed tone of this forum. Overzealous gurus tend to get my attention the wrong way.
For gaming ONLY Intel delivers, at premium prices (CPU+platform).
AMD Offers all minus some performance gaming wise.
Money are tight, buy what you can afford/like.
Cheers,
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 05:14 PM
So from what we have seen so far how is the 3700x shaping up? ALSO WHEM CAN i BUY ONE?
So from what we have seen so far how is the 3700x shaping up? ALSO WHEM CAN i BUY ONE?
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 05:15 PM
Seems to be more-or-less consistent with the leaks. Solid gains overall, and beating Intel in IPC is a major accomplishment. The only thing needed is higher clock speeds, which should arrive as 7nm matures.
I'm just waiting for the 3950X. It should be a massive step up from my 1800X, for both ST and MT. I'll be keeping my X470 board, but will upgrade to X570 if the opportunity arises (if my board happens to break or I need to build another system).
That's what they said about first gen.
Also, you seem weirdly obsessive over how these CPUs overclock. Like as though that's the only thing that matters.
As someone who uses his CPUs to compute, I rarely overclock - the extra performance is not worth the extra heat and potential instability. Features like PBO also make manual overclocks largely redundant, and the amount of time I would need to fine-tune things could be time used to compute cures for diseases.
Much like water-cooling, overclocking was a much bigger deal back in the old days. Overclocking a Celeron 300A to 450 was huge (made a very noticeable difference in games) and water-cooling would cut GPU temps in half (nowadays, the difference is only about 10 degrees). IMO, the only reason to overclock or watercool in the modern age is for the geek factor.
Seems to be more-or-less consistent with the leaks. Solid gains overall, and beating Intel in IPC is a major accomplishment. The only thing needed is higher clock speeds, which should arrive as 7nm matures.
I'm just waiting for the 3950X. It should be a massive step up from my 1800X, for both ST and MT. I'll be keeping my X470 board, but will upgrade to X570 if the opportunity arises (if my board happens to break or I need to build another system).
That's what they said about first gen.
Also, you seem weirdly obsessive over how these CPUs overclock. Like as though that's the only thing that matters.
As someone who uses his CPUs to compute, I rarely overclock - the extra performance is not worth the extra heat and potential instability. Features like PBO also make manual overclocks largely redundant, and the amount of time I would need to fine-tune things could be time used to compute cures for diseases.
Much like water-cooling, overclocking was a much bigger deal back in the old days. Overclocking a Celeron 300A to 450 was huge (made a very noticeable difference in games) and water-cooling would cut GPU temps in half (nowadays, the difference is only about 10 degrees). IMO, the only reason to overclock or watercool in the modern age is for the geek factor.
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 05:16 PM
Does anyone know what AMD meant by there are some restrictions in place until the new bios?
Does anyone know what AMD meant by there are some restrictions in place until the new bios?
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 05:16 PM
AMD is smart enough to provide updates and tweaks to AGESA microcode, and performance will improve.
AMD is smart enough to provide updates and tweaks to AGESA microcode, and performance will improve.
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 05:23 PM
On top of that, I'd be surprised if game scaling with more cores doesn't dramatically improve in the next 2 years. I'm pretty confident the performance when all is said and done is going to be notably higher than release day benchmarks.
Edit: Typo because phones change what you write to troll you.
AMD is smart enough to provide updates and tweaks to AGESA microcode, and performance will improve.
On top of that, I'd be surprised if game scaling with more cores doesn't dramatically improve in the next 2 years. I'm pretty confident the performance when all is said and done is going to be notably higher than release day benchmarks.
Edit: Typo because phones change what you write to troll you.
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Posted on: 07/07/2019 05:25 PM
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I've been waiting for what feels like an eternity for the 3900X. The overclocking potential is worse than what I thought would be the worst case scenario. That's probably a deal breaker for me.
I should wait for the 4900X, but would motherboard manufacturers update X470 boards to properly support it?