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AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Review
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We test the most affordable Ryzen 7 series processor, the 1700 CPU will cost you only 329 USD. This units oozes value as the performance is really good. The 8-core processor will be tested on an X370 motherboard.
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eclap
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Posted on: 03/14/2017 11:03 PM
Excuse me but based on what exactly is Ryzen a better option for 1440p gaming? I'm not expecting to get a cohesive reply so don't worry folks.
Excuse me but based on what exactly is Ryzen a better option for 1440p gaming? I'm not expecting to get a cohesive reply so don't worry folks.
Humanoid_1
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Posted on: 03/14/2017 11:12 PM
At least in HH's tests an 1800X speed Ryzen matched the Intel speeds in 1440p gaming + then ofc you get all the other advantages of Ryzens extra cores etc.
The counter to that is I imagine if you dropped the GFx options down to medium at 1440p to try to get to 144fps you may very well see a replication of 1080p style graphs next to Intel.
Excuse me but based on what exactly is Ryzen a better option for 1440p gaming? I'm not expecting to get a cohesive reply so don't worry folks.
At least in HH's tests an 1800X speed Ryzen matched the Intel speeds in 1440p gaming + then ofc you get all the other advantages of Ryzens extra cores etc.
The counter to that is I imagine if you dropped the GFx options down to medium at 1440p to try to get to 144fps you may very well see a replication of 1080p style graphs next to Intel.
The Commenter
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Posted on: 03/14/2017 11:19 PM
How does the 1700 perform in VR against it's competitors?
All I've been hearing about is how Vr is the future of gaming but not one reviewer has touched the subject when referring to the Ryzen 7 cpus vs 7700k.
How does the 1700 perform in VR against it's competitors?
All I've been hearing about is how Vr is the future of gaming but not one reviewer has touched the subject when referring to the Ryzen 7 cpus vs 7700k.
favelle75
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Posted on: 03/14/2017 11:20 PM
How is it not a better option?
Excuse me but based on what exactly is Ryzen a better option for 1440p gaming? I'm not expecting to get a cohesive reply so don't worry folks.
How is it not a better option?
Elder III
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Posted on: 03/14/2017 11:26 PM
I think at 1440P (presuming Ultra settings of course) it is worth looking more closely at the specific games you want to play. The i7 7700K whips Ryzen in some games, and in others is very close to "even". Personally I think it's a case of meriting careful consideration between the two CPUs for 1440P.
ie
- What specific games do I play?
- Do I think some combination of AMD and Windows Updates will make improvements in the forseable future? If so, what % improvements?
- Will 8c16t CPUs be a better option going forward? If so, how many years before my next upgrade?
- What would the combined platform upgrade cost be in my country?
I know you were weighing your option carefully recently when you chose your i7 7700K, and I think you made a fine choice.
I would advise anyone looking to game (as their primary PC usage) @ 1440P to give Ryzen a really long careful look. --- At 1080P I would point them towards an i7 6700K or 7700K. --- At 4K I believe Ryzen is the best choice for almost anyone.
7700k is king for gaming even at 1440p.
I think at 1440P (presuming Ultra settings of course) it is worth looking more closely at the specific games you want to play. The i7 7700K whips Ryzen in some games, and in others is very close to "even". Personally I think it's a case of meriting careful consideration between the two CPUs for 1440P.
ie
- What specific games do I play?
- Do I think some combination of AMD and Windows Updates will make improvements in the forseable future? If so, what % improvements?
- Will 8c16t CPUs be a better option going forward? If so, how many years before my next upgrade?
- What would the combined platform upgrade cost be in my country?
I know you were weighing your option carefully recently when you chose your i7 7700K, and I think you made a fine choice.
I would advise anyone looking to game (as their primary PC usage) @ 1440P to give Ryzen a really long careful look. --- At 1080P I would point them towards an i7 6700K or 7700K. --- At 4K I believe Ryzen is the best choice for almost anyone.
vase
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Posted on: 03/14/2017 11:38 PM
I think at 1440P (presuming Ultra settings of course) it is worth looking more closely at the specific games you want to play. The i7 7700K whips Ryzen in some games, and in others is very close to "even". Personally I think it's a case of meriting careful consideration between the two CPUs for 1440P.
ie
- What specific games do I play?
- Do I think some combination of AMD and Windows Updates will make improvements in the forseable future? If so, what % improvements?
- Will 8c16t CPUs be a better option going forward? If so, how many years before my next upgrade?
- What would the combined platform upgrade cost be in my country?
I know you were weighing your option carefully recently when you chose your i7 7700K, and I think you made a fine choice.
I would advise anyone looking to game (as their primary PC usage) @ 1440P to give Ryzen a really long careful look. --- At 1080P I would point them towards an i7 6700K or 7700K. --- At 4K I believe Ryzen is the best choice for almost anyone.
I think your 1700X with the 1080Ti is a terrific combo already. Do you mainly game at 4K or at 1440p?
I think at 1440P (presuming Ultra settings of course) it is worth looking more closely at the specific games you want to play. The i7 7700K whips Ryzen in some games, and in others is very close to "even". Personally I think it's a case of meriting careful consideration between the two CPUs for 1440P.
ie
- What specific games do I play?
- Do I think some combination of AMD and Windows Updates will make improvements in the forseable future? If so, what % improvements?
- Will 8c16t CPUs be a better option going forward? If so, how many years before my next upgrade?
- What would the combined platform upgrade cost be in my country?
I know you were weighing your option carefully recently when you chose your i7 7700K, and I think you made a fine choice.
I would advise anyone looking to game (as their primary PC usage) @ 1440P to give Ryzen a really long careful look. --- At 1080P I would point them towards an i7 6700K or 7700K. --- At 4K I believe Ryzen is the best choice for almost anyone.
I think your 1700X with the 1080Ti is a terrific combo already. Do you mainly game at 4K or at 1440p?
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Posted on: 03/14/2017 11:45 PM
I would love to validate the results, unfortunately previous tested processors have all been returned to Intel, next to that Intel doesn't seed Benelux press with processor samples anymore hence I cannot update them.
Also considering: your single core results are pretty close, multi-core differ. That tells me that you have a turbo bin on all cores (e.g. not testing at default Intel settings).
E.g. ASUS/GBT boards etc all have a BIOS mode activated at default that make all cores Turbo to say 4.5 GHz (or something higher than default Intel binned frequencies).
Between the current and last version, there is definitely a bump in multicore CPU-Z bench scores. 24.2K up to 25.2K now for me.
I would love to validate the results, unfortunately previous tested processors have all been returned to Intel, next to that Intel doesn't seed Benelux press with processor samples anymore hence I cannot update them.
Also considering: your single core results are pretty close, multi-core differ. That tells me that you have a turbo bin on all cores (e.g. not testing at default Intel settings).
E.g. ASUS/GBT boards etc all have a BIOS mode activated at default that make all cores Turbo to say 4.5 GHz (or something higher than default Intel binned frequencies).
Between the current and last version, there is definitely a bump in multicore CPU-Z bench scores. 24.2K up to 25.2K now for me.
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Posted on: 03/14/2017 11:51 PM
I wonder if at this moment we are dealing with shills...(lots of newbie one posts etc...sure sign of defeat)
But from what I have discovered the only decent arguement was from a French chap Xenthor who argued in the "potentiality" of the 8 cores.
That's at least restored some of my confidence in rational thinking.
p.s why do we have two threads in re "patches" and "windows bugs" in re a new cpu launch...shouldnt this have alarm bells written all over it. Some here would love to have you ignore common facts.
Actually I could ignore the whole performance/price and just concentrate on these two issues alone as deal breakers.
I dont buy on blind faith...certainly not in Amd. And yes I think they are more prone to issues than intel or nvidia. (Mantle/drivers etc give me cause for concern I see no end to the trend).
Time might prove me wrong but somehow I dont think so! (And for this am using the family 1 thousand yr old crystal ball...sue me haha).((I dont think anyone proved me wrong on Mantle that was well discussed on this forum I said it was marketing horse****))
You cant handle the truth!
Excuse me but based on what exactly is Ryzen a better option for 1440p gaming? I'm not expecting to get a cohesive reply so don't worry folks.
I wonder if at this moment we are dealing with shills...(lots of newbie one posts etc...sure sign of defeat)
But from what I have discovered the only decent arguement was from a French chap Xenthor who argued in the "potentiality" of the 8 cores.
That's at least restored some of my confidence in rational thinking.
p.s why do we have two threads in re "patches" and "windows bugs" in re a new cpu launch...shouldnt this have alarm bells written all over it. Some here would love to have you ignore common facts.
Actually I could ignore the whole performance/price and just concentrate on these two issues alone as deal breakers.
I dont buy on blind faith...certainly not in Amd. And yes I think they are more prone to issues than intel or nvidia. (Mantle/drivers etc give me cause for concern I see no end to the trend).
Time might prove me wrong but somehow I dont think so! (And for this am using the family 1 thousand yr old crystal ball...sue me haha).((I dont think anyone proved me wrong on Mantle that was well discussed on this forum I said it was marketing horse****))
You cant handle the truth!
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Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:15 AM
AMD FX was ****ty too at first, but look at it now in more modern games where all those extra 8 threads help. Can easily win over intel i5's or go head to head vs i7 @ BF1
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/battlefield-1-pc-graphics-benchmark-review,10.html
Same thing with these Ryzen 8core 16threads chips where games use more then 8 threads. And they will more and more in 2-3yrs time. Dunno why all the despise and almost hate towards it.
The chip is what it is, its not perfect, but its not so bad either. Just shame it doesn't clock higher.
Its very cheap for a 8core and much better then AMD FX, and imo that's all that matters.
Ryzen+ will sure be the ideal Ryzen chip, higher clocks and they will fix all the quirks current Ryzen has, no doubt. Intel will counter it with next-gen x86 chip ~ 2018-2019 with its TigerLake?..
AMD FX was ****ty too at first, but look at it now in more modern games where all those extra 8 threads help. Can easily win over intel i5's or go head to head vs i7 @ BF1
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/battlefield-1-pc-graphics-benchmark-review,10.html
Same thing with these Ryzen 8core 16threads chips where games use more then 8 threads. And they will more and more in 2-3yrs time. Dunno why all the despise and almost hate towards it.
The chip is what it is, its not perfect, but its not so bad either. Just shame it doesn't clock higher.
Its very cheap for a 8core and much better then AMD FX, and imo that's all that matters.
Ryzen+ will sure be the ideal Ryzen chip, higher clocks and they will fix all the quirks current Ryzen has, no doubt. Intel will counter it with next-gen x86 chip ~ 2018-2019 with its TigerLake?..
mitzi76
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Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:16 AM
AMD FX was ****ty too at first, but look at it now in more modern games where all those extra 8 threads help. Can easily win over intel i5's.
Same thing with these Ryzen 8core 16threads chips where games use more then 8 threads. And they will more and more in 2-3yrs time. Dunno why all the despise and almost hate towards it.
The chip is what it is, its not perfect, but its not so bad either. Just shame it doesn't clock higher.
Its very cheap for a 8core and much better then AMD FX, and imo that's all that matters.
Ryzen+ will sure be the ideal Ryzen chip, higher clocks and they will fix all the quirks current Ryzen has, no doubt. Intel will counter it with next-gen x86 chip ~ 2018-2019 with its TigerLake?..
Now you are using a crystal ball...mines different..
AMD FX was ****ty too at first, but look at it now in more modern games where all those extra 8 threads help. Can easily win over intel i5's.
Same thing with these Ryzen 8core 16threads chips where games use more then 8 threads. And they will more and more in 2-3yrs time. Dunno why all the despise and almost hate towards it.
The chip is what it is, its not perfect, but its not so bad either. Just shame it doesn't clock higher.
Its very cheap for a 8core and much better then AMD FX, and imo that's all that matters.
Ryzen+ will sure be the ideal Ryzen chip, higher clocks and they will fix all the quirks current Ryzen has, no doubt. Intel will counter it with next-gen x86 chip ~ 2018-2019 with its TigerLake?..
Now you are using a crystal ball...mines different..
-Tj-
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Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:19 AM
Nope just talking facts, will get back to you and this topic in 1-2yrs time :d
Nope just talking facts, will get back to you and this topic in 1-2yrs time :d
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Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:20 AM
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LLVM-Zen-Scheduler-WIP
and:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5zdn7p/nvidia-threaded-optimization-and-ryzen-problems/
Now you are using a crystal ball...mines different..
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LLVM-Zen-Scheduler-WIP
and:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5zdn7p/nvidia-threaded-optimization-and-ryzen-problems/
mitzi76
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Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:21 AM
Ahem how can you claim facts and then say talk in 1-2 yrs time?
That's not how it works.
Wow just wow.
Nope just talking facts, will get back to you and this topic in 1-2yrs time :d
Ahem how can you claim facts and then say talk in 1-2 yrs time?
That's not how it works.
Wow just wow.
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Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:21 AM
p.s why do we have two threads in re "patches" and "windows bugs" in re a new cpu launch...shouldnt this have alarm bells written all over it. Some here would love to have you ignore common facts.
Actually I could ignore the whole performance/price and just concentrate on these two issues alone as deal breakers.
It's a new architecture CPU running an OS and software that has been adapted to an Intel architecture many years old. It would be more weird if there were no problems whatsoever.
I dont buy on blind faith...certainly not in Amd. And yes I think they are more prone to issues than intel or nvidia. (Mantle/drivers etc give me cause for concern I see no end to the trend).
Intel certainly can be bought on blind faith since nothing has changed there for over half a dozen years.
((I dont think anyone proved me wrong on Mantle that was well discussed on this forum I said it was marketing horse****))
No idea what you are talking about, but Mantle became a part of Vulkan and DX12. Would you have rather stuck on the old DX11 for the next 10 years?
The world has to change. No change is degeneration.
p.s why do we have two threads in re "patches" and "windows bugs" in re a new cpu launch...shouldnt this have alarm bells written all over it. Some here would love to have you ignore common facts.
Actually I could ignore the whole performance/price and just concentrate on these two issues alone as deal breakers.
It's a new architecture CPU running an OS and software that has been adapted to an Intel architecture many years old. It would be more weird if there were no problems whatsoever.
I dont buy on blind faith...certainly not in Amd. And yes I think they are more prone to issues than intel or nvidia. (Mantle/drivers etc give me cause for concern I see no end to the trend).
Intel certainly can be bought on blind faith since nothing has changed there for over half a dozen years.
((I dont think anyone proved me wrong on Mantle that was well discussed on this forum I said it was marketing horse****))
No idea what you are talking about, but Mantle became a part of Vulkan and DX12. Would you have rather stuck on the old DX11 for the next 10 years?
The world has to change. No change is degeneration.
mitzi76
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Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:22 AM
It's a new architecture CPU running an OS and software that has been adapted to an Intel architecture many years old. It would be more weird if there were no problems whatsoever.
Intel certainly can be bought on blind faith since nothing has changed there for over half a dozen years.
No idea what you are talking about, but Mantle became a part of Vulkan and DX12. Would you have rather stuck on the old DX11 for the next 10 years?
The world has to change. No change is degeneration.
Again bad interpretation. Change can be anything...negative or positive since time began.
No change is degeneration!?????????????? What on earth....
It's a new architecture CPU running an OS and software that has been adapted to an Intel architecture many years old. It would be more weird if there were no problems whatsoever.
Intel certainly can be bought on blind faith since nothing has changed there for over half a dozen years.
No idea what you are talking about, but Mantle became a part of Vulkan and DX12. Would you have rather stuck on the old DX11 for the next 10 years?
The world has to change. No change is degeneration.
Again bad interpretation. Change can be anything...negative or positive since time began.
No change is degeneration!?????????????? What on earth....
-Tj-
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Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:25 AM
Well are there any games now that are very multicore aware, games with over 8threads?
In next 1-2years there will be. By that I mean better minimum fps, apparently even now GTA5 and WatchDogs2 see a boost with 8+ threads..
ps this is intel's response on Ryzen and Ryzen+ in 2019
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/55626/intels-core-family-retired-2019-next-gen-x86-coming/index.html
Besides, Ryzen is much faster then your nehalem atm, it can't match a 5Ghz KabbyLake, but that doesnt make it a slow chip.
Well are there any games now that are very multicore aware, games with over 8threads?
In next 1-2years there will be. By that I mean better minimum fps, apparently even now GTA5 and WatchDogs2 see a boost with 8+ threads..
ps this is intel's response on Ryzen and Ryzen+ in 2019
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/55626/intels-core-family-retired-2019-next-gen-x86-coming/index.html
Besides, Ryzen is much faster then your nehalem atm, it can't match a 5Ghz KabbyLake, but that doesnt make it a slow chip.
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Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:25 AM
Ignored my LLVM link completely, since you probably don't even know what it is, right?
EDIT: Not you Tj
Ignored my LLVM link completely, since you probably don't even know what it is, right?
EDIT: Not you Tj
mitzi76
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Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:30 AM
Ignored my LLVM link completely, since you probably don't even know what it is, right?
EDIT: Not you Tj
Sorry I am meant to believe some random stuff? Are u for real?
You are having a laugh surely..?
Seriously from what rock did you crawl from???
omg I dont believe it...u just quoted something from Reddit...hahahahahahahahahahahaha (I referred to that earlier in jest saying you must all be noob spammers from reddit).
I think somone should do a check on your IP you sound like an old troll on this forum who was banned several times. (and most likely spamming threads to get your post count up).
Ignored my LLVM link completely, since you probably don't even know what it is, right?
EDIT: Not you Tj
Sorry I am meant to believe some random stuff? Are u for real?
You are having a laugh surely..?
Seriously from what rock did you crawl from???
omg I dont believe it...u just quoted something from Reddit...hahahahahahahahahahahaha (I referred to that earlier in jest saying you must all be noob spammers from reddit).
I think somone should do a check on your IP you sound like an old troll on this forum who was banned several times. (and most likely spamming threads to get your post count up).
vase
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Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:40 AM
I think somone should do a check on your IP you sound like an old troll on this forum who was banned several times. (and most likely spamming threads to get your post count up).
Why does the success of Ryzen have to make you so angry that you are doing 360° roundhouse kicks (copyright @ Chuck Norris) and defame other users?
PRMinisterGR sent you a link which is totally noteworthy. I'd understand if you say "Sorry I can't assess that, because I don't work with unix based systems"
But instead you just make it look like he is a clown for offering that information.
It seems strange, considering you seem to be an old timer here. Blink twice if your account got hacked.
I think somone should do a check on your IP you sound like an old troll on this forum who was banned several times. (and most likely spamming threads to get your post count up).
Why does the success of Ryzen have to make you so angry that you are doing 360° roundhouse kicks (copyright @ Chuck Norris) and defame other users?
PRMinisterGR sent you a link which is totally noteworthy. I'd understand if you say "Sorry I can't assess that, because I don't work with unix based systems"
But instead you just make it look like he is a clown for offering that information.
It seems strange, considering you seem to be an old timer here. Blink twice if your account got hacked.
mitzi76
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Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:53 AM
Why does the success of Ryzen have to make you so angry that you are doing 360° roundhouse kicks (copyright @ Chuck Norris) and defame other users?
PRMinisterGR sent you a link which is totally noteworthy. I'd understand if you say "Sorry I can't assess that, because I don't work with unix based systems"
But instead you just make it look like he is a clown for offering that information.
It seems strange, considering you seem to be an old timer here. Blink twice if your account got hacked.
What? He's trying to feed me reddit for god's sake.
What's wrong with you? Nevermind.
p.s part of being an old-timer around here is to sniff out crap. Actually that's a personal thing which will involve a long history lesson..and probably a few long tales
Why does the success of Ryzen have to make you so angry that you are doing 360° roundhouse kicks (copyright @ Chuck Norris) and defame other users?
PRMinisterGR sent you a link which is totally noteworthy. I'd understand if you say "Sorry I can't assess that, because I don't work with unix based systems"
But instead you just make it look like he is a clown for offering that information.
It seems strange, considering you seem to be an old timer here. Blink twice if your account got hacked.
What? He's trying to feed me reddit for god's sake.
What's wrong with you? Nevermind.
p.s part of being an old-timer around here is to sniff out crap. Actually that's a personal thing which will involve a long history lesson..and probably a few long tales
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Do not tell me that for something to be "alive" means it needs to adapt to its environment, ie necessitates change or remain stagnate (no change/remain the same) and die is a concept not understood.
...No change is degeneration!?????????????? What on earth....
Do not tell me that for something to be "alive" means it needs to adapt to its environment, ie necessitates change or remain stagnate (no change/remain the same) and die is a concept not understood.
mitzi76
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Posted on: 03/15/2017 12:56 AM
I think you are lost in translation...
Ok so let clarify.
Change=has a result=can be negative or positive.
Change isnt always a good thing. Really as I said a few post ago..this is kindergarten....(or pre-school).
Some of these discussions I feel like I could have taken an LSD tablet for the surreallness of it all..I mean it's quite trippy stuff.
Do not tell me that for something to be "alive" means it needs to adapt to its environment, ie necessitates change or remain stagnate (no change/remain the same) and die is a concept not understood.
I think you are lost in translation...
Ok so let clarify.
Change=has a result=can be negative or positive.
Change isnt always a good thing. Really as I said a few post ago..this is kindergarten....(or pre-school).
Some of these discussions I feel like I could have taken an LSD tablet for the surreallness of it all..I mean it's quite trippy stuff.
vase
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Posted on: 03/15/2017 01:14 AM
Well the main point is, one of his TWO links is the #1 Linux news source in terms of hardware performance on Linux systems and NOT reddit (which you for the second time seem to have swiftly dodged)...
(And secondly, less importantly, what on the other hand makes you think that an open message board system like Reddit makes linked articles in there any less or more trustworthy than here or on other message boards?
It's more like even Intel / MS / Nvidia / AMD etc. have their moderated reddit sections there and people discuss on different levels of qualification there. While vbulletin/php/bb has it's nostalgic legitimation, communication platforms on the web evolve. And trying to negate reddit as a forum where all sorts of users come together just like in here is rather ridiculous.
So you also mean to say everything an Intel or Nvidia employee writes on reddit is wrong, because it's reddit??? Just trying to get your full picture here.)
So back to the question, why do you so skillfully evade the LLVM link of PRMinisterGR?
Is it because it proves the point that Ryzen can be easily made to perform better with some optimizations to the CPU management 'compound' (be it scheduler, governor, or possibly lower-level mechanisms) of an OS? Or is it something else? Very curious!
What? He's trying to feed me reddit for god's sake.
Well the main point is, one of his TWO links is the #1 Linux news source in terms of hardware performance on Linux systems and NOT reddit (which you for the second time seem to have swiftly dodged)...
(And secondly, less importantly, what on the other hand makes you think that an open message board system like Reddit makes linked articles in there any less or more trustworthy than here or on other message boards?
It's more like even Intel / MS / Nvidia / AMD etc. have their moderated reddit sections there and people discuss on different levels of qualification there. While vbulletin/php/bb has it's nostalgic legitimation, communication platforms on the web evolve. And trying to negate reddit as a forum where all sorts of users come together just like in here is rather ridiculous.
So you also mean to say everything an Intel or Nvidia employee writes on reddit is wrong, because it's reddit??? Just trying to get your full picture here.)
So back to the question, why do you so skillfully evade the LLVM link of PRMinisterGR?
Is it because it proves the point that Ryzen can be easily made to perform better with some optimizations to the CPU management 'compound' (be it scheduler, governor, or possibly lower-level mechanisms) of an OS? Or is it something else? Very curious!
eclap
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Posted on: 03/15/2017 01:15 AM
I think at 1440P (presuming Ultra settings of course) it is worth looking more closely at the specific games you want to play. The i7 7700K whips Ryzen in some games, and in others is very close to "even". Personally I think it's a case of meriting careful consideration between the two CPUs for 1440P.
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- What specific games do I play?
- Do I think some combination of AMD and Windows Updates will make improvements in the forseable future? If so, what % improvements?
- Will 8c16t CPUs be a better option going forward? If so, how many years before my next upgrade?
- What would the combined platform upgrade cost be in my country?
I know you were weighing your option carefully recently when you chose your i7 7700K, and I think you made a fine choice.
I would advise anyone looking to game (as their primary PC usage) @ 1440P to give Ryzen a really long careful look. --- At 1080P I would point them towards an i7 6700K or 7700K. --- At 4K I believe Ryzen is the best choice for almost anyone.
In my honest opinion, you almost nailed it. I can almost agree but I would rather suggest people wait before they upgrade to Ryzen. Couple of reasons... Wait for all of the confusion around it's gaming performance to settle. And wait for motherboards. Reason 2 (lack of motherboards) is luckily holding people back from buying Ryzen atm.
Actually just checked, OcUK have the x370 Asus Prime in stock right now. That's good. The other x370 boards are pre-order still.
I think at 1440P (presuming Ultra settings of course) it is worth looking more closely at the specific games you want to play. The i7 7700K whips Ryzen in some games, and in others is very close to "even". Personally I think it's a case of meriting careful consideration between the two CPUs for 1440P.
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- What specific games do I play?
- Do I think some combination of AMD and Windows Updates will make improvements in the forseable future? If so, what % improvements?
- Will 8c16t CPUs be a better option going forward? If so, how many years before my next upgrade?
- What would the combined platform upgrade cost be in my country?
I know you were weighing your option carefully recently when you chose your i7 7700K, and I think you made a fine choice.
I would advise anyone looking to game (as their primary PC usage) @ 1440P to give Ryzen a really long careful look. --- At 1080P I would point them towards an i7 6700K or 7700K. --- At 4K I believe Ryzen is the best choice for almost anyone.
In my honest opinion, you almost nailed it. I can almost agree but I would rather suggest people wait before they upgrade to Ryzen. Couple of reasons... Wait for all of the confusion around it's gaming performance to settle. And wait for motherboards. Reason 2 (lack of motherboards) is luckily holding people back from buying Ryzen atm.
Actually just checked, OcUK have the x370 Asus Prime in stock right now. That's good. The other x370 boards are pre-order still.
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I'm inclined to think of an i7 770K as the "Best Gaming CPU for 1080P in 2017" and of the R7 1700 as the "Best Overall CPU in 2017" --- If Gaming at 1080p is going to occupy 90% of what you do then go with Option A.... if not then I wold recommend Option B.
Keep it classy folks; one of the best skills anyone can learn in life is to be able to disagree with someone in a respectful manner.
Well said, it must be said