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AMD Ryzen 5 3600X review
Posted by: on: 07/19/2019 01:34 PM [
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We recently reviewed the Ryzen 7 3700X & Ryzen 9 3900X processors from AMD. How about the 3600 series six core parts eh? Well, let's check out the new Ryzen 5 3600X in this review.
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Amaze
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Posted on: 07/20/2019 04:30 PM
Very nice chip and for gaming it seems a better choice than the 3700x. The big question is how good is the 3600? I think Hilbert already hinted that the 3600 is a little gem but i could be wrong...
Very nice chip and for gaming it seems a better choice than the 3700x. The big question is how good is the 3600? I think Hilbert already hinted that the 3600 is a little gem but i could be wrong...
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Posted on: 07/20/2019 04:50 PM
To paraphrase what you're saying "I want something distinctly better but it needs to have a similar price point to the worse outdated stuff". Do you not see the issue in that? You can't have it all - you either need to spend the money to get something better or get something that fits your budget. These products are priced the way they are because people will buy them. This is why Nvidia gets away with $1000+ gaming GPUs: doesn't matter if the price is crap if people still buy it anyway. It's a sucky reality but you can't realistically ask it to change.
Also from what I heard, X570 boards are more expensive to manufacture.
Like you said, you can buy the wifi chipset yourself. It's best to buy it separately anyway, since then you can upgrade it or swap it out. Being able to pick and choose your parts or swap them out is half the reason for building your own PC.
Unless an audio chipset is known to have issues, what difference does it make if you're sticking with integrated audio? On-board audio chipsets have hardly improved in 10 years. There's only a handful of minimal improvements here and there, and if you can tell the difference (and care), you're better off getting a discrete sound card or external DAC. Or just use SPDIF or HDMI, at which point the onboard audio is completely irrelevant.
How often do you need a type E header? Why not just buy an adapter if it's that important to you? This reminds me of the complaint about computers not supporting type C, even though it's not hard or expensive to convert type A to type C.
It's actually is. Shorter support term and AMD already stated they will switch off ability to use Zen 2 PCIe lanes in PCIe 4.0 mode on all previous generation motherboards. And there are simply no decent B450 motherboards. They all having poor set of controllers.
To paraphrase what you're saying "I want something distinctly better but it needs to have a similar price point to the worse outdated stuff". Do you not see the issue in that? You can't have it all - you either need to spend the money to get something better or get something that fits your budget. These products are priced the way they are because people will buy them. This is why Nvidia gets away with $1000+ gaming GPUs: doesn't matter if the price is crap if people still buy it anyway. It's a sucky reality but you can't realistically ask it to change.
Also from what I heard, X570 boards are more expensive to manufacture.
A bit more modern set of controllers and longer support. At least 802.11ax Intel AX200 controller, wider usage of Realtek 1220 sound, USB SS10 Type E header. Sure, I can buy Intel AX200 on Ali for $17, but still.
Like you said, you can buy the wifi chipset yourself. It's best to buy it separately anyway, since then you can upgrade it or swap it out. Being able to pick and choose your parts or swap them out is half the reason for building your own PC.
Unless an audio chipset is known to have issues, what difference does it make if you're sticking with integrated audio? On-board audio chipsets have hardly improved in 10 years. There's only a handful of minimal improvements here and there, and if you can tell the difference (and care), you're better off getting a discrete sound card or external DAC. Or just use SPDIF or HDMI, at which point the onboard audio is completely irrelevant.
How often do you need a type E header? Why not just buy an adapter if it's that important to you? This reminds me of the complaint about computers not supporting type C, even though it's not hard or expensive to convert type A to type C.
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Posted on: 07/20/2019 07:28 PM
No, X570 is enthusiast class - the B-series chipsets are mainstream. AMD's site makes this very clear - look it up:
https://www.amd.com/en/products/chipsets-am4
HEDT is an entirely separate category.
It's actually is. Shorter support term and AMD already stated they will switch off ability to use Zen 2 PCIe lanes in PCIe 4.0 mode on all previous generation motherboards. And there are simply no decent B450 motherboards. They all having poor set of controllers. And if thinking that way, then we can go with Z370 or H370 etc. Obviously previous generations are cheaper. Yet X570 is not enthusiast. It's current gen mainstream. Enthusiast are HEDT, which are Threadrippers and Core-X.
No, X570 is enthusiast class - the B-series chipsets are mainstream. AMD's site makes this very clear - look it up:
https://www.amd.com/en/products/chipsets-am4
HEDT is an entirely separate category.
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Posted on: 07/20/2019 10:10 PM
So what do you lose using an x370 motherboard over an x470 motherboard? Don't want to pay the premium to upgrade my itx board
So what do you lose using an x370 motherboard over an x470 motherboard? Don't want to pay the premium to upgrade my itx board
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Posted on: 07/20/2019 10:17 PM
Not much. X370 is supposedly worse at overclocking RAM (not sure how true that is), is slightly more power consuming at idle, and I think has worse XFR support. There's also StoreMI, but IMO that's useless (you can accomplish the same thing through software). If you already have an X370 board, I would keep it. But, I don't think you should buy a new X370 board with a Zen2 CPU.
So what do you lose using an x370 motherboard over an x470 motherboard? Don't want to pay the premium to upgrade my itx board
Not much. X370 is supposedly worse at overclocking RAM (not sure how true that is), is slightly more power consuming at idle, and I think has worse XFR support. There's also StoreMI, but IMO that's useless (you can accomplish the same thing through software). If you already have an X370 board, I would keep it. But, I don't think you should buy a new X370 board with a Zen2 CPU.
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Posted on: 07/20/2019 10:22 PM
Thanks, think the XFR was the only attraction of upgrading to x470 when x470 was first released.... my memory is like a sieve
Thanks, think the XFR was the only attraction of upgrading to x470 when x470 was first released.... my memory is like a sieve
Astyanax
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Posted on: 07/20/2019 11:36 PM
ryzen 3k supporting bios's are unstable as all heck on x370 and 470 and this affects all processors. (currently).
So what do you lose using an x370 motherboard over an x470 motherboard? Don't want to pay the premium to upgrade my itx board
ryzen 3k supporting bios's are unstable as all heck on x370 and 470 and this affects all processors. (currently).
Loophole35
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Posted on: 07/21/2019 12:38 AM
Please for the love of all things sacred stop spreading miss leading info on this forum.
ryzen 3k supporting bios's are unstable as all heck on x370 and 470 and this affects all processors.
Please for the love of all things sacred stop spreading miss leading info on this forum.
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Posted on: 07/21/2019 01:21 AM
Sorry bud but you don't get to state what is enthusiast and what is not. Z390 has been stated is enthusiast, as well as x370 x470 and x570.
Yet X570 is not enthusiast. It's current gen mainstream. Enthusiast are HEDT, which are Threadrippers and Core-X.
Sorry bud but you don't get to state what is enthusiast and what is not. Z390 has been stated is enthusiast, as well as x370 x470 and x570.
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Posted on: 07/21/2019 02:28 AM
I'm still seeing this whole Zen2 range of CPUs as a great line-up and can't wait to get my hands on the next Threadripper lineup.
Those complaining about not being able to overclock I suppose need to get with the times. Don't get me wrong, I've been a tuner, enthusiast and overclocker for probably more years than some have been alive, (I / we) don't have to like it, but things change.
For example, I believe a real sports car has a manual gear-shift - but these days all the sports cars I like (save maybe one), come with flappy paddle auto. They're faster, but often don't feel as engaging to drive.
Another example, I'm having to get used to having no optical drive in my new case - I mean, seriously, so many cases dropping optical drive bays.
Anyway, AMD are providing automatic overclocking... Maybe it's the way of the future...
I'm still seeing this whole Zen2 range of CPUs as a great line-up and can't wait to get my hands on the next Threadripper lineup.
Those complaining about not being able to overclock I suppose need to get with the times. Don't get me wrong, I've been a tuner, enthusiast and overclocker for probably more years than some have been alive, (I / we) don't have to like it, but things change.
For example, I believe a real sports car has a manual gear-shift - but these days all the sports cars I like (save maybe one), come with flappy paddle auto. They're faster, but often don't feel as engaging to drive.
Another example, I'm having to get used to having no optical drive in my new case - I mean, seriously, so many cases dropping optical drive bays.
Anyway, AMD are providing automatic overclocking... Maybe it's the way of the future...
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Posted on: 07/21/2019 02:35 AM
If theres misinformation to be had, its you implying that 1.0.0.2 isn't causing WHEA errors on 1k and 2k processors.
make yourself aware for a change
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd7pqb/warning-samsung-nvme-ssds-also-subject-to-whea/
Please for the love of all things sacred stop spreading miss leading info on this forum.
If theres misinformation to be had, its you implying that 1.0.0.2 isn't causing WHEA errors on 1k and 2k processors.
make yourself aware for a change
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd7pqb/warning-samsung-nvme-ssds-also-subject-to-whea/
Loophole35
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Posted on: 07/21/2019 02:38 AM
If theres misinformation to be had, its you implying that 1.0.0.2 isn't causing WHEA errors on 1k and 2k processors.
make yourself aware for a change
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd7pqb/warning-samsung-nvme-ssds-also-subject-to-whea/
That is X570. You claimed x370/X470 having the issue. Get off AMD threads you troll.
If theres misinformation to be had, its you implying that 1.0.0.2 isn't causing WHEA errors on 1k and 2k processors.
make yourself aware for a change
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd7pqb/warning-samsung-nvme-ssds-also-subject-to-whea/
That is X570. You claimed x370/X470 having the issue. Get off AMD threads you troll.
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Posted on: 07/21/2019 02:40 AM
If you aren't going to read the things linked, stop replying to me.
the B and X 300 and 400 series parts are also affected when on a 1.0.0.2 AGESA.
Heres a B350 + 3600
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd7pqb/warning-samsung-nvme-ssds-also-subject-to-whea/eu5yu23/
Heres a B450 + 3600
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd7pqb/warning-samsung-nvme-ssds-also-subject-to-whea/eu5r6iz/
Heres a X370 + 3800X
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd7pqb/warning-samsung-nvme-ssds-also-subject-to-whea/eu1t8d2/
x570's with 1.0.0.2 shipped are affected, even with 1xxx and 2xxx processors.
This user updated their tomahawk with a beta bios that has agesa 1.0.0.3 and fixed the WHEA errors
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd7pqb/warning-samsung-nvme-ssds-also-subject-to-whea/etuoilc/
That is X570. You claimed x370/X470 having the issue. Get off AMD threads you troll.
If you aren't going to read the things linked, stop replying to me.
the B and X 300 and 400 series parts are also affected when on a 1.0.0.2 AGESA.
Heres a B350 + 3600
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd7pqb/warning-samsung-nvme-ssds-also-subject-to-whea/eu5yu23/
Heres a B450 + 3600
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd7pqb/warning-samsung-nvme-ssds-also-subject-to-whea/eu5r6iz/
Heres a X370 + 3800X
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd7pqb/warning-samsung-nvme-ssds-also-subject-to-whea/eu1t8d2/
x570's with 1.0.0.2 shipped are affected, even with 1xxx and 2xxx processors.
This user updated their tomahawk with a beta bios that has agesa 1.0.0.3 and fixed the WHEA errors
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd7pqb/warning-samsung-nvme-ssds-also-subject-to-whea/etuoilc/
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Posted on: 07/21/2019 02:42 AM
If you aren't going to read the things linked, stop replying to me.
the B and X 300 and 400 series parts are also affected when on a 1.0.0.2 AGESA.
The issue discussed in that thread pertains to using a PCI3.0 NVMe on the PCI4.0 lanes. Last I checked (and also stated in your own fucking link) that’s X570.
If you bothered to read the whole thread you would see Intel users reporting the same errors. It’s Windowa not AMD.
If you aren't going to read the things linked, stop replying to me.
the B and X 300 and 400 series parts are also affected when on a 1.0.0.2 AGESA.
The issue discussed in that thread pertains to using a PCI3.0 NVMe on the PCI4.0 lanes. Last I checked (and also stated in your own fucking link) that’s X570.
If you bothered to read the whole thread you would see Intel users reporting the same errors. It’s Windowa not AMD.
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Posted on: 07/21/2019 02:45 AM
Threads evolve as information comes to light, the origin of the issue is the same as that of the Geforce and Radeon WHEA errors being experienced when a board is running AGESA 1.0.0.2
Maybe my issue is unrelated as I'm not running an NVME, but since updating to the latest BIOS on my asrock X370 gaming itx board, I've been getting piles of these errors with my 1700x. Over the last few days my machine has even started to randomly lock up and reboot. When I checked the event logs, I see all kinds of reference to WHEA.
This is one of the 1xxx users experiencing the issue after applying a AGESA 1.0.0.2 bios to their board.
The issue discussed in that thread pertains to using a PCI3.0 NVMe on the PCI4.0 lanes. Last I checked (and also stated in your own fucking link) that’s X570.
Threads evolve as information comes to light, the origin of the issue is the same as that of the Geforce and Radeon WHEA errors being experienced when a board is running AGESA 1.0.0.2
Maybe my issue is unrelated as I'm not running an NVME, but since updating to the latest BIOS on my asrock X370 gaming itx board, I've been getting piles of these errors with my 1700x. Over the last few days my machine has even started to randomly lock up and reboot. When I checked the event logs, I see all kinds of reference to WHEA.
This is one of the 1xxx users experiencing the issue after applying a AGESA 1.0.0.2 bios to their board.
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Posted on: 07/21/2019 02:47 AM
Intel users reporting the same. It’s a Windows issue not AMD. Again you are in here simply to talk shit about AMD. Go had your Intel circle jerk somewhere else.
Threads evolve as information comes to light, the origin of the issue is the same as that of the Geforce and Radeon WHEA errors being experienced when a board is running AGESA 1.0.0.2
Intel users reporting the same. It’s a Windows issue not AMD. Again you are in here simply to talk shit about AMD. Go had your Intel circle jerk somewhere else.
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If you aren't going to read the things linked, stop replying to me.
Dude!.....Your the one that needs to stop replying...you shut up!
If you aren't going to read the things linked, stop replying to me.
Dude!.....Your the one that needs to stop replying...you shut up!
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Posted on: 07/21/2019 02:50 AM
Intel users reporting the same. It’s a Windows issue not AMD. Again you are in here simply to talk crap about AMD. Go had your Intel circle jerk somewhere else.
It seems the pair of you are thoroughly incapable of reading past the first post, Robert Hallock himself has dissociated the corruption the op experienced from the WHEA error and that AMD are investigating.
Maybe both of you need to move past your own ego's and problems with me and Educate yourselves.
FYI: AMD's cpu division are the ones i won't fanboy against, I'm sick of Intel's bs with their barely changed performance and pricing.
This AMD Ryzen launch was rushed to get the 7/7 date, but you guys are looking like clueless fanboys right now because you're arguing against confirmable information.
We are looking into the WHEA errors, but I want to be crystal clear to everyone about what we already conclusively know: it doesn't cause data loss. While I'm unable to explain the source of OP's file issues, it is evident to us that this has nothing to do with the WHEA warnings.
I would also ask OP to update the BIOS and stick with the in-box Windows NVMe driver.
//edit: To expand on my commentary. Data loss is a very serious allegation, and we take it with the highest levels of concern. But it's also very easy for nuisance issues to take on mythic proportions as the true cause is theorized, picked at, conjectured. As people pin correlations onto the story as causation.
A data corruption allegation requires a lot more proof than "I ran sfc and it found some bad files." Due to the way NVMe writes, and the lack of power loss protection, it is absolutely possible to bork a few files in day-to-day operation. That's why enterprise-grade SSDs are built differently from consumer disks. Or: Updated and/or modified files may not match the signature Windows is expecting, which would also show up in SFC. Or those files may no longer be the appropriate version if the hardware changed on the same install. There are many reasons why a system would show changes with an SFC, and all of them are a lot more probable than the accusation being made.
Let's get the remaining facts, first, before assuming the worst. We're working to get to the bottom of the WHEA errors. We understand the level of concern. We'll get there.
TO REITERATE TO THOSE WHO CARE FOR A FUNCTIONING PC:
The 1.0.0.2 AGESA is to be avoided on your 300 and 400 series board, and if you have a 500 series board, Get flashed to 1.0.0.3 asap, Yes, even if you have a 1xxx or 2xxx series Ryzen processor.
To those who already put a 3xxx in an older board and are having issues that the pair above are totally oblivious too, check with your vendor for a beta bios, MSI have them available here, keep an eye on ROG forums for Asus beta's, Raja occasionally posts them there first.
Gigabyte x570 users who are on a 1.0.0.2 bios and affected can update to the matching bios here
Some Gigabyte 300 and 400 series boards are still on 1.0.0.2 unfortunately but check the support page as they are being updated to 1.0.0.3AB in light of ABA failing validation.
Intel users reporting the same. It’s a Windows issue not AMD. Again you are in here simply to talk crap about AMD. Go had your Intel circle jerk somewhere else.
It seems the pair of you are thoroughly incapable of reading past the first post, Robert Hallock himself has dissociated the corruption the op experienced from the WHEA error and that AMD are investigating.
Maybe both of you need to move past your own ego's and problems with me and Educate yourselves.
FYI: AMD's cpu division are the ones i won't fanboy against, I'm sick of Intel's bs with their barely changed performance and pricing.
This AMD Ryzen launch was rushed to get the 7/7 date, but you guys are looking like clueless fanboys right now because you're arguing against confirmable information.
We are looking into the WHEA errors, but I want to be crystal clear to everyone about what we already conclusively know: it doesn't cause data loss. While I'm unable to explain the source of OP's file issues, it is evident to us that this has nothing to do with the WHEA warnings.
I would also ask OP to update the BIOS and stick with the in-box Windows NVMe driver.
//edit: To expand on my commentary. Data loss is a very serious allegation, and we take it with the highest levels of concern. But it's also very easy for nuisance issues to take on mythic proportions as the true cause is theorized, picked at, conjectured. As people pin correlations onto the story as causation.
A data corruption allegation requires a lot more proof than "I ran sfc and it found some bad files." Due to the way NVMe writes, and the lack of power loss protection, it is absolutely possible to bork a few files in day-to-day operation. That's why enterprise-grade SSDs are built differently from consumer disks. Or: Updated and/or modified files may not match the signature Windows is expecting, which would also show up in SFC. Or those files may no longer be the appropriate version if the hardware changed on the same install. There are many reasons why a system would show changes with an SFC, and all of them are a lot more probable than the accusation being made.
Let's get the remaining facts, first, before assuming the worst. We're working to get to the bottom of the WHEA errors. We understand the level of concern. We'll get there.
TO REITERATE TO THOSE WHO CARE FOR A FUNCTIONING PC:
The 1.0.0.2 AGESA is to be avoided on your 300 and 400 series board, and if you have a 500 series board, Get flashed to 1.0.0.3 asap, Yes, even if you have a 1xxx or 2xxx series Ryzen processor.
To those who already put a 3xxx in an older board and are having issues that the pair above are totally oblivious too, check with your vendor for a beta bios, MSI have them available here, keep an eye on ROG forums for Asus beta's, Raja occasionally posts them there first.
Gigabyte x570 users who are on a 1.0.0.2 bios and affected can update to the matching bios here
Some Gigabyte 300 and 400 series boards are still on 1.0.0.2 unfortunately but check the support page as they are being updated to 1.0.0.3AB in light of ABA failing validation.
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Posted on: 07/21/2019 02:57 AM
What a nice little cpu. My brother just upgraded his and his girlfriend's rig from 8320 to a 2600 (couldn't quite stretch to 3600) and he's loving it. These 3600/x chips seem brilliant value for money. What annoys me is that I still feel no need to upgrade. Those looking to upgrade from a slow cpu should definitely be considering these though, reading waltc3's comments about how they boost to 4.4 out the box no problem is really nice.
What a nice little cpu. My brother just upgraded his and his girlfriend's rig from 8320 to a 2600 (couldn't quite stretch to 3600) and he's loving it. These 3600/x chips seem brilliant value for money. What annoys me is that I still feel no need to upgrade. Those looking to upgrade from a slow cpu should definitely be considering these though, reading waltc3's comments about how they boost to 4.4 out the box no problem is really nice.
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Posted on: 07/21/2019 03:15 AM
Yeah, i definitely like the performance of the 3600 for the most part.
Personally i would aim for the 3900 though at the least just to thoroughly avoid the design choice AMD made with the memory writes being 16b as some of my tasks are memory write heavy.
What a nice little cpu. My brother just upgraded his and his girlfriend's rig from 8320 to a 2600 (couldn't quite stretch to 3600) and he's loving it. These 3600/x chips seem brilliant value for money. What annoys me is that I still feel no need to upgrade. Those looking to upgrade from a slow cpu should definitely be considering these though, reading waltc3's comments about how they boost to 4.4 out the box no problem is really nice.
Yeah, i definitely like the performance of the 3600 for the most part.
Personally i would aim for the 3900 though at the least just to thoroughly avoid the design choice AMD made with the memory writes being 16b as some of my tasks are memory write heavy.
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Posted on: 07/21/2019 10:34 AM
I'm still seeing this whole Zen2 range of CPUs as a great line-up and can't wait to get my hands on the next Threadripper lineup.
Those complaining about not being able to overclock I suppose need to get with the times. Don't get me wrong, I've been a tuner, enthusiast and overclocker for probably more years than some have been alive, (I / we) don't have to like it, but things change.
For example, I believe a real sports car has a manual gear-shift - but these days all the sports cars I like (save maybe one), come with flappy paddle auto. They're faster, but often don't feel as engaging to drive.
Another example, I'm having to get used to having no optical drive in my new case - I mean, seriously, so many cases dropping optical drive bays.
Anyway, AMD are providing automatic overclocking... Maybe it's the way of the future...
Damn, you dinosauraus! ;-)
I'm still seeing this whole Zen2 range of CPUs as a great line-up and can't wait to get my hands on the next Threadripper lineup.
Those complaining about not being able to overclock I suppose need to get with the times. Don't get me wrong, I've been a tuner, enthusiast and overclocker for probably more years than some have been alive, (I / we) don't have to like it, but things change.
For example, I believe a real sports car has a manual gear-shift - but these days all the sports cars I like (save maybe one), come with flappy paddle auto. They're faster, but often don't feel as engaging to drive.
Another example, I'm having to get used to having no optical drive in my new case - I mean, seriously, so many cases dropping optical drive bays.
Anyway, AMD are providing automatic overclocking... Maybe it's the way of the future...
Damn, you dinosauraus! ;-)
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Posted on: 07/21/2019 04:41 PM
Another comparison video showing the 25% extra cost gives you 3-5% performance at best.
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Another comparison video showing the 25% extra cost gives you 3-5% performance at best.
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 02:37 AM
If you need bleeding edge technology, please buy X570. I hope knowing that you have fully supported PCIe 4.0 will make you sleep better at night.
Most people who want to get best performance for the money, will go with X470 or cheaper chipsets. I won't be able to utilize PCIe 4.0, I don't have or need such storage speeds.
I don't need overkill components, I just need it stability. Don't care if I lose less than 1% in performance to X570.
If I ever would need any components, I'd rather buy it separately, than buy it and wonder when I gonna need it.
EDIT: You get more choices by going with AMD and yeah, it sucks since you have to think for yourself what you need and not.
Much easier with Intel! You must use new chipset every CPU refresh Intel does, so there no need to waste time wondering if you want to go with previous gen chipset or modern one! Intel just hate to see consumers suffering on deciding which chipset they should go with!
It's actually is. Shorter support term and AMD already stated they will switch off ability to use Zen 2 PCIe lanes in PCIe 4.0 mode on all previous generation motherboards. And there are simply no decent B450 motherboards. They all having poor set of controllers. And if thinking that way, then we can go with Z370 or H370 etc. Obviously previous generations are cheaper. Yet X570 is not enthusiast. It's current gen mainstream. Enthusiast are HEDT, which are Threadrippers and Core-X.
If you need bleeding edge technology, please buy X570. I hope knowing that you have fully supported PCIe 4.0 will make you sleep better at night.
Most people who want to get best performance for the money, will go with X470 or cheaper chipsets. I won't be able to utilize PCIe 4.0, I don't have or need such storage speeds.
I don't need overkill components, I just need it stability. Don't care if I lose less than 1% in performance to X570.
If I ever would need any components, I'd rather buy it separately, than buy it and wonder when I gonna need it.
EDIT: You get more choices by going with AMD and yeah, it sucks since you have to think for yourself what you need and not.
Much easier with Intel! You must use new chipset every CPU refresh Intel does, so there no need to waste time wondering if you want to go with previous gen chipset or modern one! Intel just hate to see consumers suffering on deciding which chipset they should go with!
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 02:47 PM
Just because somebody in marketing division wants to make their product to look premium it doesn't make it premium automatically. Both Z390 and X570 are both competing on mainstream market.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-x570-vs-intel-z390-chipset-faceoff,6240.html
Sorry bud but you don't get to state what is enthusiast and what is not. Z390 has been stated is enthusiast, as well as x370 x470 and x570.
Just because somebody in marketing division wants to make their product to look premium it doesn't make it premium automatically. Both Z390 and X570 are both competing on mainstream market.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-x570-vs-intel-z390-chipset-faceoff,6240.html
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A bit more modern set of controllers and longer support. At least 802.11ax Intel AX200 controller, wider usage of Realtek 1220 sound, USB SS10 Type E header. Sure, I can buy Intel AX200 on Ali for $17, but still.