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AMD Ryzen 5 3600 review
Posted by: on: 07/22/2019 01:36 PM [
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We again review a six-core model Ryzen 5 3600 processor, you know, the one without an X. It's 200 MHz slower on the base and turbo clocks, but a whopping 50 bucks cheaper. Worth it?
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Vananovion
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 02:42 PM
Robbo9999
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 02:44 PM
Yeah astounding value when I read in the article that you can pair this $199 CPU with a $65 motherboard and get such great gaming and general PC performance.
Yeah astounding value when I read in the article that you can pair this $199 CPU with a $65 motherboard and get such great gaming and general PC performance.
HybOj
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 03:44 PM
Great CPU, I must think if the 8 core big CPU is really what I need now. Maybe this smaller one and a upgrade in lets say 4 years?
But to have the upgrade path open, the Motherboard should support the 8 core properly, so I guess the 65 bucks one will not be ideal.
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"Combined with the performance the ZEN2 cores poop out it all makes this a proper mainstream processor series."
Is the pooping a typo? I like it eitherway
Great CPU, I must think if the 8 core big CPU is really what I need now. Maybe this smaller one and a upgrade in lets say 4 years?
But to have the upgrade path open, the Motherboard should support the 8 core properly, so I guess the 65 bucks one will not be ideal.
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"Combined with the performance the ZEN2 cores poop out it all makes this a proper mainstream processor series."
Is the pooping a typo?
I like it eitherway
schmidtbag
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 03:49 PM
Personally, I find this more recommendable than the 8-core Ryzens for the average gamer.
Personally, I find this more recommendable than the 8-core Ryzens for the average gamer.
waltc3
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 03:55 PM
"Whopping $50"...?....
"Whopping $50"...?....
Undying
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 04:03 PM
Any recommendation of B450 board i can pair this one with?
Any recommendation of B450 board i can pair this one with?
schmidtbag
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 04:13 PM
Considering the low wattage and limited overclocking, I think really any board ought to be sufficient. Just get whatever suits the features you want, your aesthetic taste, and price point. Avoid any brands you don't like/trust to help narrow your results.
Any recommendation of B450 board i can pair this one with?
Considering the low wattage and limited overclocking, I think really any board ought to be sufficient. Just get whatever suits the features you want, your aesthetic taste, and price point. Avoid any brands you don't like/trust to help narrow your results.
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 04:18 PM
Hehe well $50 isn't a lot but you're not getting much extra for those 50.
But if you really wanna go bang for buck, I'd look to the 2600. It isn't that much further behind the 3600 but it's only $127 right now. It's a steal for 6c12t.
"Whopping $50"...?....
Hehe well $50 isn't a lot but you're not getting much extra for those 50.
But if you really wanna go bang for buck, I'd look to the 2600. It isn't that much further behind the 3600 but it's only $127 right now. It's a steal for 6c12t.
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 04:25 PM
Im planning to build system with this CPU too. MSI B450 tomahawk looks pretty good but if you want to upgrade in future with zen2+/zen3, go for x570.
Any recommendation of B450 board i can pair this one with?
Im planning to build system with this CPU too. MSI B450 tomahawk looks pretty good but if you want to upgrade in future with zen2+/zen3, go for x570.
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 04:53 PM
Like Hilbert said, this is the best CPU when it comes to performance/price ratio and makes the 3600x look kind of "expensive"... Although the lack of oc could justify the 3600x.
What i find curious is the lack of Zen2 CPUs below the 3600, is AMD going to leave that space occupied only by their APUs??? It seems risky and Intel could profit from it...
Great review!
Like Hilbert said, this is the best CPU when it comes to performance/price ratio and makes the 3600x look kind of "expensive"... Although the lack of oc could justify the 3600x.
What i find curious is the lack of Zen2 CPUs below the 3600, is AMD going to leave that space occupied only by their APUs??? It seems risky and Intel could profit from it...
Great review!
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 04:54 PM
Ha, yeah, but it's a 25% increase in price over the 3600, so that's a sizeable increase!
"Whopping $50"...?....
Ha, yeah, but it's a 25% increase in price over the 3600, so that's a sizeable increase!
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 04:54 PM
TBH, I don't really understand Hilbert's reward system. He gave every Zen2 CPU a "Great Value" medal, while giving a "Recommended" for a 9700K or 9900K. For me, a "Recommended" award is more powerful than a "Great Value". That's pretty nonsense for me. The same was used at the other Ryzen CPUs too. I think both should be used.
Anyway, the 3600 is absolutely the best cheap gaming CPU on the market with "additional CPU power if needed".
TBH, I don't really understand Hilbert's reward system. He gave every Zen2 CPU a "Great Value" medal, while giving a "Recommended" for a 9700K or 9900K. For me, a "Recommended" award is more powerful than a "Great Value". That's pretty nonsense for me. The same was used at the other Ryzen CPUs too. I think both should be used.
Anyway, the 3600 is absolutely the best cheap gaming CPU on the market with "additional CPU power if needed".
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 05:02 PM
TBH, I don't really understand Hilbert's reward system. He gave every Zen2 CPU a "Great Value" medal, while giving a "Recommended" for a 9700K or 9900K. For me, a "Recommended" award is more powerful than a "Great Value". That's pretty nonsense for me. The same was used at the other Ryzen CPUs too. I think both should be used.
Anyway, the 3600 is absolutely the best cheap gaming CPU on the market with "additional CPU power if needed".
It’s simply because the Intel CPU’s won at gaming. Don’t read to far into it. This site is mostly PC gamers focused so Intel for now is more recommended for that load. However I don’t think there is a $200 Intel cpu that can beat this CPU in any capacity.
TBH, I don't really understand Hilbert's reward system. He gave every Zen2 CPU a "Great Value" medal, while giving a "Recommended" for a 9700K or 9900K. For me, a "Recommended" award is more powerful than a "Great Value". That's pretty nonsense for me. The same was used at the other Ryzen CPUs too. I think both should be used.
Anyway, the 3600 is absolutely the best cheap gaming CPU on the market with "additional CPU power if needed".
It’s simply because the Intel CPU’s won at gaming. Don’t read to far into it. This site is mostly PC gamers focused so Intel for now is more recommended for that load. However I don’t think there is a $200 Intel cpu that can beat this CPU in any capacity.
schmidtbag
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 05:07 PM
Hilbert's recommendations tend to be focused around the all-around performance of the product's performance tier. The 9900K is objectively an all-around better CPU than most, when you ignore price.
As for the 9700K, that was reviewed before Zen2. I'm sure if he'd review it today, he might not retain that recommendation.
Another thing to consider is all the target markets. Guru3D is primarily focused around gamers, and although the 3600 is hands-down the best option for the average gamer and easily the best value (for new CPUs), it isn't the best choice for anything beyond that. It's not the best choice for each of the following categories:
* Budget builds
* A PC for work and play
* Competitive gamers
* VR gamers
* Streamers
Meanwhile, the 9900K is all of those except the first one.
TBH, I don't really understand Hilbert's reward system. He gave every Zen2 CPU a "Great Value" medal, while giving a "Recommended" for a 9700K or 9900K. For me, a "Recommended" award is more powerful than a "Great Value". That's pretty nonsense for me.
Hilbert's recommendations tend to be focused around the all-around performance of the product's performance tier. The 9900K is objectively an all-around better CPU than most, when you ignore price.
As for the 9700K, that was reviewed before Zen2. I'm sure if he'd review it today, he might not retain that recommendation.
Another thing to consider is all the target markets. Guru3D is primarily focused around gamers, and although the 3600 is hands-down the best option for the average gamer and easily the best value (for new CPUs), it isn't the best choice for anything beyond that. It's not the best choice for each of the following categories:
* Budget builds
* A PC for work and play
* Competitive gamers
* VR gamers
* Streamers
Meanwhile, the 9900K is all of those except the first one.
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 05:47 PM
Kind of seems like the same deal with previous X and non X variants.
X variants for relying on XFR and PBR, Non X to save some money and manual clock.
Kind of seems like the same deal with previous X and non X variants.
X variants for relying on XFR and PBR, Non X to save some money and manual clock.
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 08:29 PM
MSI B450M MORTAR not the cheapest nor the dearest, £89.99 - look out for fan headers .... before you buy too cheap. The mortar has good reviews
Any recommendation of B450 board i can pair this one with?
MSI B450M MORTAR not the cheapest nor the dearest, £89.99 - look out for fan headers .... before you buy too cheap. The mortar has good reviews
ladcrooks
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 08:38 PM
TBH, I don't really understand Hilbert's reward system. He gave every Zen2 CPU a "Great Value" medal, while giving a "Recommended" for a 9700K or 9900K. For me, a "Recommended" award is more powerful than a "Great Value". That's pretty nonsense for me. The same was used at the other Ryzen CPUs too. I think both should be used.
Anyway, the 3600 is absolutely the best cheap gaming CPU on the market with "additional CPU power if needed".
I do not bother with all that, its the conclusion you want to read - not gonna give 2 titles I.E recommended and great value, so the the great value fits the conclusion. Just my view
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TBH, I don't really understand Hilbert's reward system. He gave every Zen2 CPU a "Great Value" medal, while giving a "Recommended" for a 9700K or 9900K. For me, a "Recommended" award is more powerful than a "Great Value". That's pretty nonsense for me. The same was used at the other Ryzen CPUs too. I think both should be used.
Anyway, the 3600 is absolutely the best cheap gaming CPU on the market with "additional CPU power if needed".
I do not bother with all that, its the conclusion you want to read - not gonna give 2 titles I.E recommended and great value, so the the great value fits the conclusion. Just my view
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Posted on: 07/22/2019 09:44 PM
I guess is really difficult to have a standard for testing the new Zen 2 CPUs. BIOS are still evolving day by day.
Just as an example in my new combo (Ryzen 3700X + ASRock B450M ITX + DDR4 Micron E @ 3466Mhz Cl16 1.35V) this is my power consumption (total PSU consumption) in Prime 95 Maximum power consumption (which is MUCH more heavier than any real 16 thread process).
- ECO Mode (PBO at I think at PPT = 60W~, but can't remember): : 100-110W
- Normal mode (or PBO AUTO/DISABLED) (PBO at PPT 88W, default value for 65W TDP like Ryzen 3700X CPU): 130-135W
- PBO enabled but limited at 105W TDP Ryzens (PPT 142W): 200-205W~
- PBO enabled (just like that), currently it's not capped and Ryzen Master reports max of 4000~W (bugged) PPT : 210-215W (hitting the 95ºC throttle temp, regularly with a Noctua NH-U12S).
(I also changed the other 2 PBO values, but to simplify I just mentioned the PPT).
Note: GTX 1080 in idle consumes like 10W, so we can rest 10W from the GPU at least. And probably more watts from the rest of the stuff.
Now, after comparing these 4 modes I tried:
- Multi Core performance is slightly different in benchmarks (Cinebench 20, Performnace Test 9.0). (let's say 2-4% better in multicore the 142WPPT over the default 88W PPT). ECO mode is not much worse than normal (88W PPT).
- Single core performance is about the same....(I guess 60W PPT is enough for boost a core or few cores at max 4.4Ghz stock speed).
i can't talk about hitting 4.6Ghz boost (enhancing PBO) because doesn't seem to pass the 4.4Ghz limit in my 3700X, even if I enable AUTO OC Mode with +200Mhz.
If you are increasing the PBO limits. I think the main difference between a 3700X and a 3800X is the binning.
I guess is really difficult to have a standard for testing the new Zen 2 CPUs. BIOS are still evolving day by day.
Just as an example in my new combo (Ryzen 3700X + ASRock B450M ITX + DDR4 Micron E @ 3466Mhz Cl16 1.35V) this is my power consumption (total PSU consumption) in Prime 95 Maximum power consumption (which is MUCH more heavier than any real 16 thread process).
- ECO Mode (PBO at I think at PPT = 60W~, but can't remember): : 100-110W
- Normal mode (or PBO AUTO/DISABLED) (PBO at PPT 88W, default value for 65W TDP like Ryzen 3700X CPU): 130-135W
- PBO enabled but limited at 105W TDP Ryzens (PPT 142W): 200-205W~
- PBO enabled (just like that), currently it's not capped and Ryzen Master reports max of 4000~W (bugged) PPT : 210-215W (hitting the 95ºC throttle temp, regularly with a Noctua NH-U12S).
(I also changed the other 2 PBO values, but to simplify I just mentioned the PPT).
Note: GTX 1080 in idle consumes like 10W, so we can rest 10W from the GPU at least. And probably more watts from the rest of the stuff.
Now, after comparing these 4 modes I tried:
- Multi Core performance is slightly different in benchmarks (Cinebench 20, Performnace Test 9.0). (let's say 2-4% better in multicore the 142WPPT over the default 88W PPT). ECO mode is not much worse than normal (88W PPT).
- Single core performance is about the same....(I guess 60W PPT is enough for boost a core or few cores at max 4.4Ghz stock speed).
So I think the best option is ECO mode (or maybe normal mode). Unless you don't really care about power consumption. Because, you can basically consume 100% more energy (with unlimited PPT) but for maximum 4-5% more multicore 16 threads performance on a 3700X. And almost the same single core performance.
i can't talk about hitting 4.6Ghz boost (enhancing PBO) because doesn't seem to pass the 4.4Ghz limit in my 3700X, even if I enable AUTO OC Mode with +200Mhz.
If you are increasing the PBO limits. I think the main difference between a 3700X and a 3800X is the binning.
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Posted on: 07/23/2019 01:08 AM
Ridiculous, your own benchmarks prove you wrong. :S
While I recommend 8-core processors for a mainstream PC Gaming build,
Ridiculous, your own benchmarks prove you wrong. :S
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Posted on: 07/23/2019 02:05 AM
With the next game consoles coming around the corner and those housing 8c/16t zen2 based CPU’s this recommendation is understandable.
Ridiculous, your own benchmarks prove you wrong. :S
With the next game consoles coming around the corner and those housing 8c/16t zen2 based CPU’s this recommendation is understandable.
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Posted on: 07/23/2019 02:08 AM
We need to check that a AB bios is available before recommending motherboards, as far as i know the B450M Mortar is on AB (as indicated by their support page)
MSI B450M MORTAR not the cheapest nor the dearest, £89.99 - look out for fan headers .... before you buy too cheap. The mortar has good reviews
We need to check that a AB bios is available before recommending motherboards, as far as i know the B450M Mortar is on AB (as indicated by their support page)
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Posted on: 07/23/2019 02:20 AM
I am sure that any prediction has a chance to become true at some point, given enough time. Also, consoles. Different animal. PS. Not all consoles will be housing Zen 2. Just one. Sony will not be housing Zen 2.
With the next game consoles coming around the corner and those housing 8c/16t zen2 based CPU’s this recommendation is understandable.
I am sure that any prediction has a chance to become true at some point, given enough time. Also, consoles. Different animal. PS. Not all consoles will be housing Zen 2. Just one. Sony will not be housing Zen 2.
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Posted on: 07/23/2019 02:26 AM
Sony is using Zen2.
I am sure that any prediction has a chance to become true at some point, given enough time. Also, consoles. Different animal. PS. Not all consoles will be housing Zen 2. Just one. Sony will not be housing Zen 2.
Sony is using Zen2.
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Posted on: 07/23/2019 02:31 AM
Ok. I heard they will use their new in-house chip+navi.
Sony is using Zen2.
Ok. I heard they will use their new in-house chip+navi.
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This is a better value than the 3600x. Great budget gaming CPU for the future. I have a feeling I will be building a few low cost high return PC's with this CPU.