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AMD Radeon Super Resolution (RSR) - preview
Posted by: on: 03/17/2022 03:00 PM [
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AMD has released its new Radeon Software 22.3.1 drivers, supporting Radeon Super Resolution technology as a broader answer to fight off DLSS from NVIDIA. Will the new feature make enough of a difference, and is image quality, not a huge issue? Let's try and see so you know what you can expect.
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Truder
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Posted on: 03/28/2022 08:40 PM
Obviously this is offtopic but I can weigh in my experience on this. When it comes to multi-monitor support, AMD cards in my experience tend to have a much easier time to set up and use.
I also found out something rather amusing recently, a friend of my upgraded to a high refreshrate monitor in preperation for a new GPU (he was still using a GTX 770 until recently due to the GPU shortage) and we found the 770 only supported a maximum refreshrate of 120Hz, yet my ancient (I kid you not) AGP HD3850 that I recently restored and sold, supported 144Hz no problem.
Since Maxwell though, Nvidia fortunately pulled their finger out and improved monitor support but their multi-monitor environment is still something that's left to be desired, particularly if you hook up a TV and have to mess about with NVs method of setting the over or underscan ratio (even Intel iGPUs have an easier time of multi-monitor setup).
NV multi-monitor works, but it can be clunky, cumbersome and sometimes annoying (when upgrading drivers also have to reset the over or underscan which is a tedious thing to do).
I imagine things are better now though since multi-monitor usage is much more mainstream now so I'm unsure how out of date my experience is (I've not used any systems with RTX 2000/3000 series GPUs so can't comment on how they handle).
To be honest I still don't understand what his issue was. I don't use Surround and I can't talk about that, but what's the issue with HDTV scaling?
Obviously this is offtopic but I can weigh in my experience on this. When it comes to multi-monitor support, AMD cards in my experience tend to have a much easier time to set up and use.
I also found out something rather amusing recently, a friend of my upgraded to a high refreshrate monitor in preperation for a new GPU (he was still using a GTX 770 until recently due to the GPU shortage) and we found the 770 only supported a maximum refreshrate of 120Hz, yet my ancient (I kid you not) AGP HD3850 that I recently restored and sold, supported 144Hz no problem.
Since Maxwell though, Nvidia fortunately pulled their finger out and improved monitor support but their multi-monitor environment is still something that's left to be desired, particularly if you hook up a TV and have to mess about with NVs method of setting the over or underscan ratio (even Intel iGPUs have an easier time of multi-monitor setup).
NV multi-monitor works, but it can be clunky, cumbersome and sometimes annoying (when upgrading drivers also have to reset the over or underscan which is a tedious thing to do).
I imagine things are better now though since multi-monitor usage is much more mainstream now so I'm unsure how out of date my experience is (I've not used any systems with RTX 2000/3000 series GPUs so can't comment on how they handle).
Denial
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Posted on: 03/28/2022 09:05 PM
Obviously this is offtopic but I can weigh in my experience on this. When it comes to multi-monitor support, AMD cards in my experience tend to have a much easier time to set up and use.
I also found out something rather amusing recently, a friend of my upgraded to a high refreshrate monitor in preperation for a new GPU (he was still using a GTX 770 until recently due to the GPU shortage) and we found the 770 only supported a maximum refreshrate of 120Hz, yet my ancient (I kid you not) AGP HD3850 that I recently restored and sold, supported 144Hz no problem.
Since Maxwell though, Nvidia fortunately pulled their finger out and improved monitor support but their multi-monitor environment is still something that's left to be desired, particularly if you hook up a TV and have to mess about with NVs method of setting the over or underscan ratio (even Intel iGPUs have an easier time of multi-monitor setup).
NV multi-monitor works, but it can be clunky, cumbersome and sometimes annoying (when upgrading drivers also have to reset the over or underscan which is a tedious thing to do).
I imagine things are better now though since multi-monitor usage is much more mainstream now so I'm unsure how out of date my experience is (I've not used any systems with RTX 2000/3000 series GPUs so can't comment on how they handle).
I can't comment on Kepler, I don't really remember what I had at the time (screenwise).. but I had a 980 (Maxwell) running 3 monitors + a TV:
https://i.imgur.com/QCUgrMS.jpg
The Acer was 1440P/144hz, Dell screens were 1440/60hz - TV is 4K60. I ran this setup flawlessly for years. I never had to adjust over/underscan ratios or timings or anything.
I don't have a shot with the TV on but surround across the same setup (I could never get used to surround, thought it looked dumb and can't handle bezels, I know I tried in multiple games but only had a picture of WoW):
https://i.imgur.com/vsTUeFy.jpg
In fact one time I even had an Oculus DK2 attached at the same time with an older TV (4 screens total with all kinds of weird refreshrates/timings/resolutions/etc):
https://i.imgur.com/jgKplf1.jpg
_
So yeah maybe before Maxwell Nvidia had some issues, not sure about that.. but I've been running extremely weird setups with all kinds of devices throughout the years and haven't had any problems.
To be clear I'm not saying Nvidia is flawless here - I'm sure we can get all kinds of anecdotal reports from people on all devices but just throwing out my own experiences.
Obviously this is offtopic but I can weigh in my experience on this. When it comes to multi-monitor support, AMD cards in my experience tend to have a much easier time to set up and use.
I also found out something rather amusing recently, a friend of my upgraded to a high refreshrate monitor in preperation for a new GPU (he was still using a GTX 770 until recently due to the GPU shortage) and we found the 770 only supported a maximum refreshrate of 120Hz, yet my ancient (I kid you not) AGP HD3850 that I recently restored and sold, supported 144Hz no problem.
Since Maxwell though, Nvidia fortunately pulled their finger out and improved monitor support but their multi-monitor environment is still something that's left to be desired, particularly if you hook up a TV and have to mess about with NVs method of setting the over or underscan ratio (even Intel iGPUs have an easier time of multi-monitor setup).
NV multi-monitor works, but it can be clunky, cumbersome and sometimes annoying (when upgrading drivers also have to reset the over or underscan which is a tedious thing to do).
I imagine things are better now though since multi-monitor usage is much more mainstream now so I'm unsure how out of date my experience is (I've not used any systems with RTX 2000/3000 series GPUs so can't comment on how they handle).
I can't comment on Kepler, I don't really remember what I had at the time (screenwise).. but I had a 980 (Maxwell) running 3 monitors + a TV:
https://i.imgur.com/QCUgrMS.jpg
The Acer was 1440P/144hz, Dell screens were 1440/60hz - TV is 4K60. I ran this setup flawlessly for years. I never had to adjust over/underscan ratios or timings or anything.
I don't have a shot with the TV on but surround across the same setup (I could never get used to surround, thought it looked dumb and can't handle bezels, I know I tried in multiple games but only had a picture of WoW):
https://i.imgur.com/vsTUeFy.jpg
In fact one time I even had an Oculus DK2 attached at the same time with an older TV (4 screens total with all kinds of weird refreshrates/timings/resolutions/etc):
https://i.imgur.com/jgKplf1.jpg
_
So yeah maybe before Maxwell Nvidia had some issues, not sure about that.. but I've been running extremely weird setups with all kinds of devices throughout the years and haven't had any problems.
To be clear I'm not saying Nvidia is flawless here - I'm sure we can get all kinds of anecdotal reports from people on all devices but just throwing out my own experiences.
Truder
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Posts: 2003
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Posts: 2003
Posted on: 03/28/2022 11:10 PM
I can't comment on Kepler, I don't really remember what I had at the time (screenwise).. but I had a 980 (Maxwell) running 3 monitors + a TV:
https://i.imgur.com/QCUgrMS.jpg
The Acer was 1440P/144hz, Dell screens were 1440/60hz - TV is 4K60. I ran this setup flawlessly for years. I never had to adjust over/underscan ratios or timings or anything.
I don't have a shot with the TV on but surround across the same setup (I could never get used to surround, thought it looked dumb and can't handle bezels, I know I tried in multiple games but only had a picture of WoW):
https://i.imgur.com/vsTUeFy.jpg
In fact one time I even had an Oculus DK2 attached at the same time with an older TV (4 screens total with all kinds of weird refreshrates/timings/resolutions/etc):
https://i.imgur.com/jgKplf1.jpg
_
So yeah maybe before Maxwell Nvidia had some issues, not sure about that.. but I've been running extremely weird setups with all kinds of devices throughout the years and haven't had any problems.
To be clear I'm not saying Nvidia is flawless here - I'm sure we can get all kinds of anecdotal reports from people on all devices but just throwing out my own experiences.
Indeed, it's not like I haven't had issues with AMD either. My old TV/Monitor, Samsung T220HD, worked flawlessly with an HD6850 using its DVI-D port however when I upgraded to an R9-285, when windows loaded the graphics driver, that was it, blackscreen, couldn't use my monitor at all so I had to use HDMI, which for that monitor was a bit quirky as it would say its max resolution was 1080p (yet it was a 1680x1050 monitor so when displaying 1080p PC content, it would use its built in scaler, it was FUGLY). Later when I got an R9 Fury, I checked again if I could use the monitor on DVI-D and again, it wouldn't work. (Other monitors I own that use DVI-D were totally fine, just the Samsung that didn't agree with GCN based cards). I thought maybe the monitor was knackered, tested other graphics cards and no problem. (I did make a thread about it here years ago but sadly it wasn't anything anyone could solve - and I long since replaced that monitor too).
I can't comment on Kepler, I don't really remember what I had at the time (screenwise).. but I had a 980 (Maxwell) running 3 monitors + a TV:
https://i.imgur.com/QCUgrMS.jpg
The Acer was 1440P/144hz, Dell screens were 1440/60hz - TV is 4K60. I ran this setup flawlessly for years. I never had to adjust over/underscan ratios or timings or anything.
I don't have a shot with the TV on but surround across the same setup (I could never get used to surround, thought it looked dumb and can't handle bezels, I know I tried in multiple games but only had a picture of WoW):
https://i.imgur.com/vsTUeFy.jpg
In fact one time I even had an Oculus DK2 attached at the same time with an older TV (4 screens total with all kinds of weird refreshrates/timings/resolutions/etc):
https://i.imgur.com/jgKplf1.jpg
_
So yeah maybe before Maxwell Nvidia had some issues, not sure about that.. but I've been running extremely weird setups with all kinds of devices throughout the years and haven't had any problems.
To be clear I'm not saying Nvidia is flawless here - I'm sure we can get all kinds of anecdotal reports from people on all devices but just throwing out my own experiences.
Indeed, it's not like I haven't had issues with AMD either. My old TV/Monitor, Samsung T220HD, worked flawlessly with an HD6850 using its DVI-D port however when I upgraded to an R9-285, when windows loaded the graphics driver, that was it, blackscreen, couldn't use my monitor at all so I had to use HDMI, which for that monitor was a bit quirky as it would say its max resolution was 1080p (yet it was a 1680x1050 monitor so when displaying 1080p PC content, it would use its built in scaler, it was FUGLY). Later when I got an R9 Fury, I checked again if I could use the monitor on DVI-D and again, it wouldn't work. (Other monitors I own that use DVI-D were totally fine, just the Samsung that didn't agree with GCN based cards). I thought maybe the monitor was knackered, tested other graphics cards and no problem. (I did make a thread about it here years ago but sadly it wasn't anything anyone could solve - and I long since replaced that monitor too).
Ryu5uzaku
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Posts: 7213
Posted on: 03/29/2022 10:23 AM
As someone who made the jump fairly recently, NVIDIA's drivers on Windows are on another class to AMD, and also NVIDIA seems to pull crap like this (artificially restricting a software feature), FAR LESS than AMD does.
AMD was always doing this, from antialiasing in the really old days, to VSR more recently, and now this (and perhaps more I'm not aware of). Like back then, I'm sick of people defending companies for no reason.
For some reason I do like AMD drivers more then recent Nvidia drivers (was using 2060 in my other machine). Also had bit more issues also on that machine with the drivers. Tho I do not update my drivers with every beta so far on AMD.
I feel both companies have quite a bit of issues when it comes to drivers and it comes down to user luck if you have to deal with them. I know I've been lucky with AMD reading other peoples experiences.
And from what I can gather unlucky with Nvidia. But like nightmarish drivers is a weird accusation, only nightmarish drivers I have ever used have been creative soundcard drivers.
Like Denial there mentioning him having good time with dual monitor Nvidia. I had horrible time
awesome with AMD. But yes since we are all using different setups with different stuff on our operating systems the luck of draw can be horrible or great.
Doesn't only come down to hardware combination that we use.
As someone who made the jump fairly recently, NVIDIA's drivers on Windows are on another class to AMD, and also NVIDIA seems to pull crap like this (artificially restricting a software feature), FAR LESS than AMD does.
AMD was always doing this, from antialiasing in the really old days, to VSR more recently, and now this (and perhaps more I'm not aware of). Like back then, I'm sick of people defending companies for no reason.
For some reason I do like AMD drivers more then recent Nvidia drivers (was using 2060 in my other machine). Also had bit more issues also on that machine with the drivers. Tho I do not update my drivers with every beta so far on AMD.
I feel both companies have quite a bit of issues when it comes to drivers and it comes down to user luck if you have to deal with them. I know I've been lucky with AMD reading other peoples experiences.
And from what I can gather unlucky with Nvidia. But like nightmarish drivers is a weird accusation, only nightmarish drivers I have ever used have been creative soundcard drivers.
Like Denial there mentioning him having good time with dual monitor Nvidia. I had horrible time
awesome with AMD. But yes since we are all using different setups with different stuff on our operating systems the luck of draw can be horrible or great. Doesn't only come down to hardware combination that we use.
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To be honest I still don't understand what his issue was. I don't use Surround and I can't talk about that, but what's the issue with HDTV scaling?