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In this review, we look at the two new graphics cards released by AMD, the Radeon 5700 and 5700 XT. Both cards are based on the new NAVI GPU, fabricated at a 7nm node and capable of battling with NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 2060 and 2070. Join us in an in-depth review of these new 8GB GDDR6 based graphics cards.
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--It was supposed to be a day to celebrate--ordered an Aorus Master and a 3600x (because NewEgg sold out of the 8c/16c allotment it had while I was on the site making up my mind...
) I didn't really mind because my Ryzen 1 6c/12t has really served me well--the base clock of the 3600x starts at the max overclock my current Ryzen, plus the IPC differential--looking forward to it. But what follows below I posted at another site--too worn out to write another original post today, so I just cut & pasted it here, but these 19.7.1 Adrenalins gave me fits today! Not much fun, really. Read on, if you dare...and consider yourselves lucky not to have suffered something similar...!
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OK, I just finished six hours of driver hell with the 19.7.1's--I haven't seen this kind of behavior out of a GPU driver in > 15 years...! Make a long story short, the 19.7.1's I installed today threw a black screen up at the first initialization point during the Adrenalin's routine install--locked up the display at that point with a constant signal to the monitor that kept the screen black. I got out of it, manually, but it was pretty severe--so when I got the desktop back I uninstalled the AMD GPU drivers in toto and thought I'd try it again from scratch, after re-downloading the drivers, and after I'd made a restore point (Win10x63 18362.1000+)--which I didn't make the first time--woulda', shoulda' coulda', you know how it goes... I tried again thinking that maybe the problem was interference from some older driver files. Nah--locked at the first D3d initialization, again, same place, same black screen with same constant signal hard locked (monitor did not lose sync or go to standby for hours unless I powered it off.) It was horrible--it somehow hosed my boot bcd arrangement good--I couldn't even get to safe mode! Anyway, it was like getting stuck in fly paper--the more I struggled the worse the mess got until tonight I was despairing of getting back in--nothing worked--! I could boot to my Rufus USB flash drive Win10 installations without a problem--but it was of little use since every time I tried to change my C:\ drive (L:\ when booting from RUFUS USB) the system rejected my attempts--even calling up Sys Restore manually from the X:\ Admin prompt did nothing--because of course it was booting from the wrong drive... Arrrgh! Finally I popped in my Macrum Reflect Rescue DVD and thought to have to go ahead and simply restore my backup--and lo and behold I noticed a little blurb in the MR UI that said "Want your boot-drive problems fixed?" Yeah!--and selected for that and the MR fixed them at least well enough that I could get into safe mode again and then apply my Sys Restore file. So that was my Marathon in Hell on the day that I ordered my Ryzen 3K series CPU and my Aorus Master... It's been many moons since I've seen a GPU driver this bad out of AMD--in fact, I can think of only one other similar incident since 2002, so this is definitely unusual for AMD. You know, my experience was so bad and weird that I could believe it if I heard that some disgruntled (or bribed!) employee at AMD decided to spread a little havoc and rain on AMD's parade 5700 today...OK, 'nuff said--I'm sticking with the 19.6.3's until I hear differently!
--It was supposed to be a day to celebrate--ordered an Aorus Master and a 3600x (because NewEgg sold out of the 8c/16c allotment it had while I was on the site making up my mind...
) I didn't really mind because my Ryzen 1 6c/12t has really served me well--the base clock of the 3600x starts at the max overclock my current Ryzen, plus the IPC differential--looking forward to it. But what follows below I posted at another site--too worn out to write another original post today, so I just cut & pasted it here, but these 19.7.1 Adrenalins gave me fits today! Not much fun, really. Read on, if you dare...and consider yourselves lucky not to have suffered something similar...!___________________________________
OK, I just finished six hours of driver hell with the 19.7.1's--I haven't seen this kind of behavior out of a GPU driver in > 15 years...! Make a long story short, the 19.7.1's I installed today threw a black screen up at the first initialization point during the Adrenalin's routine install--locked up the display at that point with a constant signal to the monitor that kept the screen black. I got out of it, manually, but it was pretty severe--so when I got the desktop back I uninstalled the AMD GPU drivers in toto and thought I'd try it again from scratch, after re-downloading the drivers, and after I'd made a restore point (Win10x63 18362.1000+)--which I didn't make the first time--woulda', shoulda' coulda', you know how it goes...
I tried again thinking that maybe the problem was interference from some older driver files. Nah--locked at the first D3d initialization, again, same place, same black screen with same constant signal hard locked (monitor did not lose sync or go to standby for hours unless I powered it off.) It was horrible--it somehow hosed my boot bcd arrangement good--I couldn't even get to safe mode! Anyway, it was like getting stuck in fly paper--the more I struggled the worse the mess got until tonight I was despairing of getting back in--nothing worked--! I could boot to my Rufus USB flash drive Win10 installations without a problem--but it was of little use since every time I tried to change my C:\ drive (L:\ when booting from RUFUS USB) the system rejected my attempts--even calling up Sys Restore manually from the X:\ Admin prompt did nothing--because of course it was booting from the wrong drive... Arrrgh! Finally I popped in my Macrum Reflect Rescue DVD and thought to have to go ahead and simply restore my backup--and lo and behold I noticed a little blurb in the MR UI that said "Want your boot-drive problems fixed?" Yeah!--and selected for that and the MR fixed them at least well enough that I could get into safe mode again and then apply my Sys Restore file. So that was my Marathon in Hell on the day that I ordered my Ryzen 3K series CPU and my Aorus Master... It's been many moons since I've seen a GPU driver this bad out of AMD--in fact, I can think of only one other similar incident since 2002, so this is definitely unusual for AMD. You know, my experience was so bad and weird that I could believe it if I heard that some disgruntled (or bribed!) employee at AMD decided to spread a little havoc and rain on AMD's parade 5700 today...OK, 'nuff said--I'm sticking with the 19.6.3's until I hear differently!
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 06:34 AM
Actually it's true
Actually it's true
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Again, you may be going above my head, but i feel like you're just talking about what it means to double a number, rather then double the space it takes. Since we're talking about GPUs, and the cost associated with it, and we were talking about doubling the GPU, for example, having an RX 5800 with 5120, which would take up to twice the space (in a perfect world), would not double the area size of a GPU. Again, i could be wrong in that, and if i'm wrong, i feel i will likely never understand the reasoning for that at all, as the idea that you can put twice as much, lets just say...sand, into a sandbox, and quadruple its size, doesn't make a bit of sense.
But to me, it sounds like you're replying to me without actually knowing what we are actually discussing, which if that's the case, i don't really know why you replied. If it's not, then i simply do not understand the point you are trying to make, but i feel i likely won't get it ever, so it's likely moot point lol
What he means is that the area is in units^2 (as area = unit*unit), so if you double the number of transistors you"ll get double the area, but the side of that GPU will only increase by sqrt(2).
Again, you may be going above my head, but i feel like you're just talking about what it means to double a number, rather then double the space it takes. Since we're talking about GPUs, and the cost associated with it, and we were talking about doubling the GPU, for example, having an RX 5800 with 5120, which would take up to twice the space (in a perfect world), would not double the area size of a GPU. Again, i could be wrong in that, and if i'm wrong, i feel i will likely never understand the reasoning for that at all, as the idea that you can put twice as much, lets just say...sand, into a sandbox, and quadruple its size, doesn't make a bit of sense.
But to me, it sounds like you're replying to me without actually knowing what we are actually discussing, which if that's the case, i don't really know why you replied. If it's not, then i simply do not understand the point you are trying to make, but i feel i likely won't get it ever, so it's likely moot point lol
What he means is that the area is in units^2 (as area = unit*unit), so if you double the number of transistors you"ll get double the area, but the side of that GPU will only increase by sqrt(2).
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 08:20 AM
Hilbert said it basically how I said it. It’s a good product with good performance, but the price is just too high at this point with what Nvidia has on offer.
Hilbert said it basically how I said it. It’s a good product with good performance, but the price is just too high at this point with what Nvidia has on offer.
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 08:22 AM
Radeon RX 5700 XT with an EKWB RX 5700 easily overclocked to 2.1 GHz
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EK® Water Blocks, the leading premium computer liquid cooling gear manufacturer, is releasing two EK-Vector Radeon™ RX 5700 +XT water blocks that are compatible with reference design AMD® Radeon™ RX 5700 and 5700 XT graphics cards. This efficient and elegant-looking cooling will allow your...
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Radeon RX 5700 XT with an EKWB RX 5700 easily overclocked to 2.1 GHz
AMD wird geflutet: Radeon RX 5700 XT mit einem EKWB RX 5700 unter Wasser problemlos auf 2,1 GHz übertaktet | igorsLAB Review – Seite 2 – igor´sLAB
www.tomshw.deEK-Vector Blocks Engineered for AMD Navi GPUs - ekwb.com
EK® Water Blocks, the leading premium computer liquid cooling gear manufacturer, is releasing two EK-Vector Radeon™ RX 5700 +XT water blocks that are compatible with reference design AMD® Radeon™ RX 5700 and 5700 XT graphics cards. This efficient and elegant-looking cooling will allow your...
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 09:46 AM
I don't know really 2070 super isn't that far ahead more like equal and costs quite a bit more. And 2060 super isn't ahead of 5700 almost at all. So no I don't understand how the price is too high. Unless the argument is ray tracing which can make some sense.
Hilbert said it basically how I said it. It’s a good product with good performance, but the price is just too high at this point with what Nvidia has on offer.
I don't know really 2070 super isn't that far ahead more like equal and costs quite a bit more. And 2060 super isn't ahead of 5700 almost at all. So no I don't understand how the price is too high. Unless the argument is ray tracing which can make some sense.
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 09:50 AM
Radeon RX 5700 XT with an EKWB RX 5700 easily overclocked to 2.1 GHz
EK® Water Blocks, the leading premium computer liquid cooling gear manufacturer, is releasing two EK-Vector Radeon™ RX 5700 +XT water blocks that are compatible with reference design AMD® Radeon™ RX 5700 and 5700 XT graphics cards. This efficient and elegant-looking cooling will allow your...
www.ekwb.comLooks like the XT might have some nice overclocking potential when cooled properly.
Radeon RX 5700 XT with an EKWB RX 5700 easily overclocked to 2.1 GHz
AMD wird geflutet: Radeon RX 5700 XT mit einem EKWB RX 5700 unter Wasser problemlos auf 2,1 GHz übertaktet | igorsLAB Review – Seite 2 – igor´sLAB
EK-Vector Blocks Engineered for AMD Navi GPUs - ekwb.com
EK® Water Blocks, the leading premium computer liquid cooling gear manufacturer, is releasing two EK-Vector Radeon™ RX 5700 +XT water blocks that are compatible with reference design AMD® Radeon™ RX 5700 and 5700 XT graphics cards. This efficient and elegant-looking cooling will allow your...
www.ekwb.comLooks like the XT might have some nice overclocking potential when cooled properly.
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 10:36 AM
You must have not read the review. The 2070 Super is substantially ahead in almost every game except Metro, Tomb Raider, and Battlefield V, and in the GPU shootout the 2070 Super is a clear 15% ahead of the 5700XT which is at the same score as the 2060 Super.
I don't know really 2070 super isn't that far ahead more like equal and costs quite a bit more. And 2060 super isn't ahead of 5700 almost at all. So no I don't understand how the price is too high. Unless the argument is ray tracing which can make some sense.
You must have not read the review. The 2070 Super is substantially ahead in almost every game except Metro, Tomb Raider, and Battlefield V, and in the GPU shootout the 2070 Super is a clear 15% ahead of the 5700XT which is at the same score as the 2060 Super.
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 10:40 AM
Hilbert said it basically how I said it. It’s a good product with good performance, but the price is just too high at this point with what Nvidia has on offer.
5700xt seems like a better pick for same price as RTX2060 super.
Not sure if RTX2070 super is $100 better than 5700xt
Hilbert said it basically how I said it. It’s a good product with good performance, but the price is just too high at this point with what Nvidia has on offer.
5700xt seems like a better pick for same price as RTX2060 super.
Not sure if RTX2070 super is $100 better than 5700xt
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 10:45 AM
There are more games where 5700xt is faster that HH didnt test.
You must have not read the review. The 2070 Super is substantially ahead in almost every game except Metro, Tomb Raider, and Battlefield V, and in the GPU shootout the 2070 Super is a clear 15% ahead of the 5700XT which is at the same score as the 2060 Super.
There are more games where 5700xt is faster that HH didnt test.
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 10:51 AM
Indeed, also look at the added power when OCed- this shows it got more potential.
Looks like the XT might have some nice overclocking potential when cooled properly.
Indeed, also look at the added power when OCed- this shows it got more potential.
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 11:12 AM
There are more games where 5700xt is faster that HH didnt test.
TPU performance summary of 21 games across all resolutions:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/28.html
There are more games where 5700xt is faster that HH didnt test.
TPU performance summary of 21 games across all resolutions:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/28.html
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 11:13 AM
Bold part is false at least for 1080p (4 out of 11 is not almost every):
BF5 - Clear win for 5700XT
SoTR - Equal
Metro - Equal
DX:MD - Equal
Strange Brigade - Clear win for 2070S
FC:ND - Equal
F1 - Equal
Witcher 3 - Clear win for 2070S
GTA5 - Equal
Destiny 2 - Clear win for 2070S
SoW - Clear win for 2070S
Shootout is not some aggregate score, it is just one benchmark in which Radeon VII, 5700XT, RTX 2070 sit in same space. It does not provide ranking that could be use as indication of general gaming performance, nor average gaming performance.
It is set of 2 tests that have certain workload distribution across different parts of GPU. And one that is closest to this ratio will get best score. But each game is different and therefore ranking is different.
(That's why 3DMark has so many tests over the years as they become obsolete for measuring average modern gaming workload soonish.)
You must have not read the review. The 2070 Super is substantially ahead in almost every game except Metro, Tomb Raider, and Battlefield V, and in the GPU shootout the 2070 Super is a clear 15% ahead of the 5700XT which is at the same score as the 2060 Super.
Bold part is false at least for 1080p (4 out of 11 is not almost every):
BF5 - Clear win for 5700XT
SoTR - Equal
Metro - Equal
DX:MD - Equal
Strange Brigade - Clear win for 2070S
FC:ND - Equal
F1 - Equal
Witcher 3 - Clear win for 2070S
GTA5 - Equal
Destiny 2 - Clear win for 2070S
SoW - Clear win for 2070S
Shootout is not some aggregate score, it is just one benchmark in which Radeon VII, 5700XT, RTX 2070 sit in same space. It does not provide ranking that could be use as indication of general gaming performance, nor average gaming performance.
It is set of 2 tests that have certain workload distribution across different parts of GPU. And one that is closest to this ratio will get best score. But each game is different and therefore ranking is different.
(That's why 3DMark has so many tests over the years as they become obsolete for measuring average modern gaming workload soonish.)
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 11:19 AM
Interesting times. Surely best gpus before 2080, 2080s and 2080ti. Price doesn't matter as they are another tier.
New arch and new features. 2070s and below are not an option and average real life gamer won't care about RTX.
Interesting times. Surely best gpus before 2080, 2080s and 2080ti. Price doesn't matter as they are another tier.
New arch and new features. 2070s and below are not an option and average real life gamer won't care about RTX.
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 11:28 AM
Both products seem very good and absolutely win their price/performance battle against their NV counterparts, but I would go for the XT version this time, which is rare for an AMD product (I usually choose the cheaper versions, f.e. Vega 56, RX 570).
Both products seem very good and absolutely win their price/performance battle against their NV counterparts, but I would go for the XT version this time, which is rare for an AMD product (I usually choose the cheaper versions, f.e. Vega 56, RX 570).
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Is it my idea or those came out better than what we expected?
Is it my idea or those came out better than what we expected?
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 11:43 AM
They did. Amd really suprised us.
Is it my idea or those came out better than what we expected?
They did. Amd really suprised us.
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 11:48 AM
Well the graphs showed this at the AMD event. It's nice to see that their efficiency is in the butt of the NV counterparts and the RX5700 has even better performance/Watt ratio than the RTX2060. I know AMD has smaller die size, but hey, nobody (or at least I hope) buys GPU because it is made with smaller die size.
BTW, HILBERT: Wouldn't it be possible to make an "average" chart at the end of GPU and CPU reviews? It would be so awesome.
Thanks for your hard weekend work on the AMD products.
Is it my idea or those came out better than what we expected?
Well the graphs showed this at the AMD event. It's nice to see that their efficiency is in the butt of the NV counterparts and the RX5700 has even better performance/Watt ratio than the RTX2060. I know AMD has smaller die size, but hey, nobody (or at least I hope) buys GPU because it is made with smaller die size.
BTW, HILBERT: Wouldn't it be possible to make an "average" chart at the end of GPU and CPU reviews? It would be so awesome.
Thanks for your hard weekend work on the AMD products.
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 12:03 PM
Great review HH. Thank you as always.
Great review HH. Thank you as always.
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 12:10 PM
Another great review HH. Looks like you had a busy weekend!
Great midrange cards, excellent vega64 tier performance with good pricing. Nvidia did shake up the release of these cards a bit, but clearly they had to scramble to adjust their own product range rather significantly to accommodate for these new cards on the market, and shows that competition finally is back in the market place in a real way.
Aftermarket cards may well transform these into exceptional beasts, and looking at this I am interested to see both the higher tier navi as well as AMD's own RT implementation, though more for curiosity than any actual purchasing preference. I simply wonder if there is a simpler and cheaper to the end user way of delivering a comparable experience for a fraction of the price, reminiscent of the gsync/freesync situation.
And I agree, AMD is back on form. The future looks good for us consumers!
Another great review HH. Looks like you had a busy weekend!
Great midrange cards, excellent vega64 tier performance with good pricing. Nvidia did shake up the release of these cards a bit, but clearly they had to scramble to adjust their own product range rather significantly to accommodate for these new cards on the market, and shows that competition finally is back in the market place in a real way.
Aftermarket cards may well transform these into exceptional beasts, and looking at this I am interested to see both the higher tier navi as well as AMD's own RT implementation, though more for curiosity than any actual purchasing preference. I simply wonder if there is a simpler and cheaper to the end user way of delivering a comparable experience for a fraction of the price, reminiscent of the gsync/freesync situation.
And I agree, AMD is back on form. The future looks good for us consumers!
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 12:17 PM
Just read the review and those are some very nice cards and for me they are a better choice than the ones from Nvidia because of the lower although all of them are a little overpriced...
Now he need to see how they behave with proper coolers because the stock ones are crap.
Great review Hilbert!
Just read the review and those are some very nice cards and for me they are a better choice than the ones from Nvidia because of the lower although all of them are a little overpriced...
Now he need to see how they behave with proper coolers because the stock ones are crap.
Great review Hilbert!
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 01:07 PM
This bodes well for Navi 20.
This bodes well for Navi 20.
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Yeah will be fun to read if the architectural changes and what the clock speeds will be (Less?) can make a bigger difference still compared to the 5700's here, naming also means a possible 5800 or 5900 or even both if Navi20 doesn't turn into some 6000 series lineup next year which could also happen, depends I guess if Navi20 is mid or late 2020 and if AMD might get a 5800 revision in or if the 5700's will be it for Navi10 here but I guess we'll know soon enough once they have something to announce plus I am expecting mobile versions of the GPU as well if the 7nm process is good enough and a eventual replacement for Vega, if the drivers and hardware can be improved further then there's not much place for Vega now after all if the 5700's can overtake it definitively while also costing less although it could see a price drop as retailers drop their stocks of existing cards but that's just speculation.
VII's a curious one too also being matched a bit in some reviews, leading in others and being surpassed in others (Old review scores? Eh could be a number of different causes.) but then that's also mostly surpassed unless you need the additional memory capacity and HBM advantages for compute tasks or software work since it's not going to be worth the price/performance ratio against the Navi cards or NVIDIA's GPU's for gaming as I'm seeing it at least.
(It's not bad but it's like 800 US Dollars or more and then what the Euro pricing will be from country to country against this at around half that price for the 5700 and a bit more for the 5700XT but the difference between the XT and non-XT is fairly small so far.)
EDIT: Well not too good at descriptions and all that as usual but price and performance wise the 5700 and 5700 XT if the price holds is positioned pretty aggressively especially after AMD reduced it further just before launch and the improvements are already showing promise against earlier GPU's so it competes really well as-is even with early drivers, stock coolers and as seen from the one water block test so far it can scale up even with the driver problems though not everyone will be overclocking it like that either heh.
Going to be really fun to see what the third party AIB models will be capable of once the blower fan goes off and what's going to be on offer for both air and water cooling and possible driver improvements for the next few months and clock speeds for the non-reference models if it's possible to squeeze some performance out without going into the 2 Ghz reach and setting voltage to max with fans at hella loud level.
(Water can make a difference here if that's going to be a thing though so that will also be a fun little read I'm thinking.)
Yeah will be fun to read if the architectural changes and what the clock speeds will be (Less?) can make a bigger difference still compared to the 5700's here, naming also means a possible 5800 or 5900 or even both if Navi20 doesn't turn into some 6000 series lineup next year which could also happen, depends I guess if Navi20 is mid or late 2020 and if AMD might get a 5800 revision in or if the 5700's will be it for Navi10 here but I guess we'll know soon enough once they have something to announce plus I am expecting mobile versions of the GPU as well if the 7nm process is good enough and a eventual replacement for Vega, if the drivers and hardware can be improved further then there's not much place for Vega now after all if the 5700's can overtake it definitively while also costing less although it could see a price drop as retailers drop their stocks of existing cards but that's just speculation.
VII's a curious one too also being matched a bit in some reviews, leading in others and being surpassed in others (Old review scores? Eh could be a number of different causes.) but then that's also mostly surpassed unless you need the additional memory capacity and HBM advantages for compute tasks or software work since it's not going to be worth the price/performance ratio against the Navi cards or NVIDIA's GPU's for gaming as I'm seeing it at least.
(It's not bad but it's like 800 US Dollars or more and then what the Euro pricing will be from country to country against this at around half that price for the 5700 and a bit more for the 5700XT but the difference between the XT and non-XT is fairly small so far.)
EDIT: Well not too good at descriptions and all that as usual but price and performance wise the 5700 and 5700 XT if the price holds is positioned pretty aggressively especially after AMD reduced it further just before launch and the improvements are already showing promise against earlier GPU's so it competes really well as-is even with early drivers, stock coolers and as seen from the one water block test so far it can scale up even with the driver problems though not everyone will be overclocking it like that either heh.
Going to be really fun to see what the third party AIB models will be capable of once the blower fan goes off and what's going to be on offer for both air and water cooling and possible driver improvements for the next few months and clock speeds for the non-reference models if it's possible to squeeze some performance out without going into the 2 Ghz reach and setting voltage to max with fans at hella loud level.
(Water can make a difference here if that's going to be a thing though so that will also be a fun little read I'm thinking.)
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Posted on: 07/08/2019 02:00 PM
Yes Sir, as a midrange buyer/gamer the "non xt" 5700 looks damn great....
ain't it funny how 1 week of reviews "new stuff" can change everything...
Is it my idea or those came out better than what we expected?
Yes Sir, as a midrange buyer/gamer the "non xt" 5700 looks damn great....
ain't it funny how 1 week of reviews "new stuff" can change everything...
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a 3700/x with a 5700/x would be such a great full AMD rig. For the first time in many years, AMD have a solid performer in both fields at the same time. This is great news for all of us. Finally, some competition from AMD and we will all benefit from this.