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AMD Framepacing Catalyst 13.8 driver examined with FCAT
Posted by: on: 08/01/2013 07:54 PM [
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AMD released a Framepacing Catalyst 13.8 Beta driver which we examine with FCAT. In our recent FCAT benchmarking article from April, we discovered that AMD Crossfire suffers badly from a phenomenon called micro-stuttering. A problem that has been known for years and something both AMD and NVIDIA have had. NVIDIA solved their issue starting with Kepler based graphics cards. However since a new technique called FCAT was introduced, a whole lot of micro-stuttering was exposed for AMD, putting them on severe pressure to release a fix for this. Today is the day that we look at AMDs Catalyst 13.8 Beta frame pacing driver and examine the latest games to see if AMD has made progress.
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Steppzor
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Posted on: 08/01/2013 08:14 PM
"This first 13.8 beta only supports framepacing in DX10 and 11 games and is compatible with Windows Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1 in the first phase"
Sure 8.1 is supported? Windows unable to detect driver package under installation.. Windows refuses to let me manual install from .inf from device manager.
"This first 13.8 beta only supports framepacing in DX10 and 11 games and is compatible with Windows Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1 in the first phase"
Sure 8.1 is supported? Windows unable to detect driver package under installation.. Windows refuses to let me manual install from .inf from device manager.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 08/01/2013 08:16 PM
"This first 13.8 beta only supports framepacing in DX10 and 11 games and is compatible with Windows Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1 in the first phase"
Sure 8.1 is supported? Windows unable to detect driver package under installation.. Windows refuses to let me manual install from .inf from device manager.
No 8.1 is not yet officially supported. My grammar checker added that as he assumed 8.1 would be supported. Fixing.
"This first 13.8 beta only supports framepacing in DX10 and 11 games and is compatible with Windows Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1 in the first phase"
Sure 8.1 is supported? Windows unable to detect driver package under installation.. Windows refuses to let me manual install from .inf from device manager.
No 8.1 is not yet officially supported. My grammar checker added that as he assumed 8.1 would be supported. Fixing.
Loophole35
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Posted on: 08/01/2013 08:17 PM
I wonder how the 7990 compairs to 770 SLI as the 690 is hardware based framepacing and the 7990 is software based as 770 SLI is overall impresive results a little fine tuning to get rid of the runt and dropped frames and AMD will have something. Bravo AMD bravo.
I wonder how the 7990 compairs to 770 SLI as the 690 is hardware based framepacing and the 7990 is software based as 770 SLI is overall impresive results a little fine tuning to get rid of the runt and dropped frames and AMD will have something. Bravo AMD bravo.
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Posted on: 08/01/2013 08:21 PM
680 and 770 have hardware for frame metering, as 690. Tom Petersen of Nvidia has confirmed that in his video with pcper.
Epic review Hilbert, as always.
680 and 770 have hardware for frame metering, as 690. Tom Petersen of Nvidia has confirmed that in his video with pcper.
Epic review Hilbert, as always.
PhoBos82
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Posted on: 08/01/2013 08:23 PM
It was always a shame to see great hardware held back by un-polished drivers. Nice to see AMD is targeting the problem and producing solutions
It was always a shame to see great hardware held back by un-polished drivers. Nice to see AMD is targeting the problem and producing solutions
Seren
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Posted on: 08/01/2013 08:28 PM
Nice informative article, was looking forward to seeing the driver tested with a single card though to see if the changes causes any regressions.
Nice informative article, was looking forward to seeing the driver tested with a single card though to see if the changes causes any regressions.
Loophole35
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Posted on: 08/01/2013 08:30 PM
680 and 770 have hardware for frame metering, as 690. Tom Petersen of Nvidia has confirmed that in his video with pcper.
Epic review Hilbert, as always.
I was unaware of that thanks for correcting.
Does this only effect GCN or will the cayman based gpu's benefit as well?
680 and 770 have hardware for frame metering, as 690. Tom Petersen of Nvidia has confirmed that in his video with pcper.
Epic review Hilbert, as always.
I was unaware of that thanks for correcting.
Does this only effect GCN or will the cayman based gpu's benefit as well?
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Posted on: 08/01/2013 08:30 PM
Not possible as the framepace algorithm can only activate once you have two or more GPUs.
Nice informative article, was looking forward to seeing the driver tested with a single card though to see if the changes causes any regressions.
Not possible as the framepace algorithm can only activate once you have two or more GPUs.
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Posted on: 08/01/2013 08:39 PM
These drivers install fine for me with Windows 8.1. I only have a single GPU though....
These drivers install fine for me with Windows 8.1. I only have a single GPU though....
yasamoka
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Posted on: 08/01/2013 08:47 PM
@ Loop the option showed up for a 6900 series CFX user so I think yes.
@ Loop the option showed up for a 6900 series CFX user so I think yes.
Loophole35
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Posted on: 08/01/2013 09:11 PM
Good to hear. Looks as though AMD has leveled the playing field now I will be watching both camps next offerings.
Good to hear. Looks as though AMD has leveled the playing field now I will be watching both camps next offerings.
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Posted on: 08/01/2013 09:15 PM
Great review Hilbert, AMD have done a sterling job, and its only going to get better, well done AMD.
Great review Hilbert, AMD have done a sterling job, and its only going to get better, well done AMD.
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Posted on: 08/01/2013 11:37 PM
Very nice review,if AMD keeps going like this,in the right direction with drivers,they will have my money on the next gen. cardz,gj AMD!
Very nice review,if AMD keeps going like this,in the right direction with drivers,they will have my money on the next gen. cardz,gj AMD!
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Posted on: 08/01/2013 11:44 PM
You should also check Anandtech's article about it. Very, very informative.
I'm glad AMD is improving their drivers as they are.
A couple years ago AMD's drivers were horrible, nowadays single GPU drivers actually seem more stable than nVidia's drivers, although multi-GPU still seems to need a lot of work, specially APU+GPU (I still don't understand why that's dealt with so badly).
You should also check Anandtech's article about it. Very, very informative.
I'm glad AMD is improving their drivers as they are.
A couple years ago AMD's drivers were horrible, nowadays single GPU drivers actually seem more stable than nVidia's drivers, although multi-GPU still seems to need a lot of work, specially APU+GPU (I still don't understand why that's dealt with so badly).
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Posted on: 08/02/2013 12:00 AM
Been watching for reviews and articles for hours since the driver release.
Amazing stuff. I'd like to know how previous generation Nvidia GPUs do in frame pacing as those allegedly have hardware-based frame metering. This idea is confusing me since microstutter was apparent before Kepler yet even G80 had hardware for that stuff.
Been watching for reviews and articles for hours since the driver release.
Amazing stuff. I'd like to know how previous generation Nvidia GPUs do in frame pacing as those allegedly have hardware-based frame metering. This idea is confusing me since microstutter was apparent before Kepler yet even G80 had hardware for that stuff.
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Posted on: 08/02/2013 02:25 AM
You're sure about this? I have a desktop and laptop with 8.1 Preview (9431) and both couldn't install this driver. My desktop is single-GPU (7850) and my laptop is Dual Graphics (7660G + 7670M)
These drivers install fine for me with Windows 8.1. I only have a single GPU though....
You're sure about this? I have a desktop and laptop with 8.1 Preview (9431) and both couldn't install this driver. My desktop is single-GPU (7850) and my laptop is Dual Graphics (7660G + 7670M)
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Posted on: 08/02/2013 02:36 AM
Hey Hilbert, what is that green PCB add in card above the SSD in the pic on page 4?
Nice review btw. Good work AMD for taking care of a long standing issue.
Hey Hilbert, what is that green PCB add in card above the SSD in the pic on page 4?
Nice review btw. Good work AMD for taking care of a long standing issue.
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Posted on: 08/02/2013 03:53 AM
Many thanks Hilbert!
Many thanks Hilbert!
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Posted on: 08/02/2013 05:39 AM
Any chance this will work with an ASUS Ares II?
Remounting this card and its radiator really isn't something I want to do unless there's some indication that this new driver will work.
Anybody else who owns one of these cards knows exactly what I mean.
Any chance this will work with an ASUS Ares II?
Remounting this card and its radiator really isn't something I want to do unless there's some indication that this new driver will work.
Anybody else who owns one of these cards knows exactly what I mean.
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Posted on: 08/02/2013 06:29 AM
Hey Hilbert, what is that green PCB add in card above the SSD in the pic on page 4?
Nice review btw. Good work AMD for taking care of a long standing issue.
The framegrabber / capture card.
Hey Hilbert, what is that green PCB add in card above the SSD in the pic on page 4?
Nice review btw. Good work AMD for taking care of a long standing issue.
The framegrabber / capture card.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 08/02/2013 06:29 AM
Any chance this will work with an ASUS Ares II?
Remounting this card and its radiator really isn't something I want to do unless there's some indication that this new driver will work.
Anybody else who owns one of these cards knows exactly what I mean.
There's no indication as to why it wouldn't work - It is made for exactly these setups, 99% sure it will work.
Any chance this will work with an ASUS Ares II?
Remounting this card and its radiator really isn't something I want to do unless there's some indication that this new driver will work.
Anybody else who owns one of these cards knows exactly what I mean.
There's no indication as to why it wouldn't work - It is made for exactly these setups, 99% sure it will work.
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Posted on: 08/02/2013 06:52 AM
The new graphs look great Hilbert, good job.
The new graphs look great Hilbert, good job.
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Posted on: 08/02/2013 07:35 AM
Great review, Hilbert. Will give the drivers a spin this weekend. Thanks.
Great review, Hilbert. Will give the drivers a spin this weekend. Thanks.
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Posted on: 08/02/2013 01:28 PM
Thanks Hilbert. I'll be remounting the Ares later today, whenever I can make a little extra time.
The new Bioshock Infinite DLC should make a nice test for it.
There's no indication as to why it wouldn't work - It is made for exactly these setups, 99% sure it will work.
Thanks Hilbert. I'll be remounting the Ares later today, whenever I can make a little extra time.
The new Bioshock Infinite DLC should make a nice test for it.
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I still don't fully understand how this works, but if it's an improvement...