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New Xbox might have 8-core CPU, 8GB ram and Windows 8 kernel
On a Chinese forum an ex-Ubisoft employee reports that the new Xbox might have an 8-core AMD CPU, 8GB ram and Windows 8 kernel. This is on par with earlier rumors excapt for a thing or two. Obviously the Xbox would get a Radeon HD 8000 based graphics solution and a 640GB HDD. The AMD processor however sounds supiciously similar to the latest generation APU with Piledriver cores.
8 Core versions of the APU (currently) however do not exsists, hinting towards FX processors. FX could be an option, though we doubt that very much. An A10 APU like product would be the more sane path to follow. A member of the Chinese forum TGFC, also known as BD claims to know the specifications of the console as he was a Ubisoft employee. Opposed to previous rumors what jumps out is the amount of memory, previously that was rumored to be 4GB. Microsoft plans to make a symbiosis with Windows 8. The new Xbox however still has not officially been announced.
We expect that during E3 2013 that might be the case though. Sony as well would release a new console aka Playstation 4 later this year
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#4498243 Posted on: 01/11/2013 02:18 PM
I can see the W8 kernel but 8 cores I doubt it won't need that with as weak as the GPU will be.
I can see the W8 kernel but 8 cores I doubt it won't need that with as weak as the GPU will be.
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#4498245 Posted on: 01/11/2013 02:23 PM
cant wait to see it in action. looking really forward to it. hopefully with Halo5
cant wait to see it in action. looking really forward to it. hopefully with Halo5
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#4498252 Posted on: 01/11/2013 02:33 PM
Where does it say the GPU will be weak?
Where does it say the GPU will be weak?
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#4498253 Posted on: 01/11/2013 02:34 PM
Before everyone starts freaking out about the CPU not existing yet, its because its not supposed to exist yet. Microsoft probably has the APU heavily modified so you can't run another OS on it. Also it being 8 cores might be overkill but we don't know what kind of cores they are. AMD is looking into ARM, so there could be 4 ARM cores and 4 x86 for all we know. That might be overkill for gaming now but that's because the current Xbox doesn't need that much.
As for anyone who has been hating or disappointed in AMD lately, if the arch they make for MS is anything similar to piledriver, we may be seeing games perform better on the AMD products rather than intel. Some benchmarks showed AMDs stuff being faster, but the problem is no programs are optimized for their ideas.
Before everyone starts freaking out about the CPU not existing yet, its because its not supposed to exist yet. Microsoft probably has the APU heavily modified so you can't run another OS on it. Also it being 8 cores might be overkill but we don't know what kind of cores they are. AMD is looking into ARM, so there could be 4 ARM cores and 4 x86 for all we know. That might be overkill for gaming now but that's because the current Xbox doesn't need that much.
As for anyone who has been hating or disappointed in AMD lately, if the arch they make for MS is anything similar to piledriver, we may be seeing games perform better on the AMD products rather than intel. Some benchmarks showed AMDs stuff being faster, but the problem is no programs are optimized for their ideas.
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#4498257 Posted on: 01/11/2013 02:38 PM
depends what hybrid they place in the box, if it will be based on the hd8k i believe will be really fast, this should be a true next gen xbox. But they are all rumors and we are just speculating.
also i'll be happy to see a 8 core cpu in the console, because that means they are going for multithreaded games finally, that means that even ports will have the same multithread code.
Even if it had 100 cores, if the GPU is weak it still sucks.
depends what hybrid they place in the box, if it will be based on the hd8k i believe will be really fast, this should be a true next gen xbox. But they are all rumors and we are just speculating.
also i'll be happy to see a 8 core cpu in the console, because that means they are going for multithreaded games finally, that means that even ports will have the same multithread code.
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#4498286 Posted on: 01/11/2013 03:27 PM
I doubt it'll be x86 based seeing how Microsoft didn't want to repeat what happened to them with the original XBOX. It'll likely be an AMD GPU seeing how they had a really strained relationship with NVIDIA during the original XBOX.
EDIT: Seeing the success of the XBOX 360 relationship, it'll likely be an IBM-based CPU.
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I doubt it'll be x86 based seeing how Microsoft didn't want to repeat what happened to them with the original XBOX. It'll likely be an AMD GPU seeing how they had a really strained relationship with NVIDIA during the original XBOX.
EDIT: Seeing the success of the XBOX 360 relationship, it'll likely be an IBM-based CPU.
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#4498289 Posted on: 01/11/2013 03:32 PM
It doesn't, but people here don't seem to understand that you can't put a GTX680 or HD7980 in a console. There is absolutely no need for it.
Where does it say the GPU will be weak?
It doesn't, but people here don't seem to understand that you can't put a GTX680 or HD7980 in a console. There is absolutely no need for it.
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#4498327 Posted on: 01/11/2013 04:20 PM
At most I would say that they will use 4 gb of ram. Also I agree with the other posts they will most definitely be using a low end graphics card due to the fact that nobody will spend a $1000 plus dollars on a console. An 8 core cpu would be overkill for a console they would be smarter if they got a cheaper cpu and spent more on a graphics card.
At most I would say that they will use 4 gb of ram. Also I agree with the other posts they will most definitely be using a low end graphics card due to the fact that nobody will spend a $1000 plus dollars on a console. An 8 core cpu would be overkill for a console they would be smarter if they got a cheaper cpu and spent more on a graphics card.
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#4498341 Posted on: 01/11/2013 04:30 PM
The graphic card doesn't have to be dirt cheap, it could be just as expensive by the console. MS will be buying in bulk and so logically it would be miles cheaper than us buying 1 GPU.
The graphic card doesn't have to be dirt cheap, it could be just as expensive by the console. MS will be buying in bulk and so logically it would be miles cheaper than us buying 1 GPU.
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#4498344 Posted on: 01/11/2013 04:31 PM
No need for it, no one will pay for it, it's pointless, and who cares.
Lets pretend for a moment they even put like a 580 equivalent in a next-gen console. Your PC won't be able to play those games at that quality for years. These people are delusional.
It doesn't, but people here don't seem to understand that you can't put a GTX680 or HD7980 in a console. There is absolutely no need for it.
No need for it, no one will pay for it, it's pointless, and who cares.
Lets pretend for a moment they even put like a 580 equivalent in a next-gen console. Your PC won't be able to play those games at that quality for years. These people are delusional.
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#4498348 Posted on: 01/11/2013 04:35 PM
8-cores probably is not a far off estimate when you think about it.
Nowhere does it say 8 physical cores, so a Quad-Core with some form of Hyper Threading for 4 extra logical cores could be another guess.
Also, if it is 8 physical cores, at what clock speed? They could be going for an 8 physical core CPU with hyper threading for 16 total cores (8 physical and 8 logical) but clock each core much slower than you would think. Might even be as low as 2 GHz. If the architecture is fast enough then this could lead to some very aggressive multi-threaded games.
You also have to think of heat and power consumption. They are going to want to make a small console as this is what everyone is getting accustomed to. Also heat will be an issue if they slap in 8 physical cores and clock them upwards of 3 GHz+
You also have to look at the amount of cache available to each core as well, and what fabrication it will be built on. They will want high yields to bring costs down. So a 45nm or 32nm process is probably where its at, I don't think they could get 22nm yields out that quickly, but this depends on how long they have been working on it.
Also the amount of RAM even for me is a little over the top. Unless they are going to throw in a full desktop version of W8 I do not see the need for 8GB at all! Although this could be shared memory and people could be combining the total system memory with the GPU memory so a 6GB system and 2GB VRAM would probably be the best bet. But even this is still over the top for solely gaming.
Time will tell, its fun to speculate, but whilst we do that lets be calm and wait for E3 it won't be long now
8-cores probably is not a far off estimate when you think about it.
Nowhere does it say 8 physical cores, so a Quad-Core with some form of Hyper Threading for 4 extra logical cores could be another guess.
Also, if it is 8 physical cores, at what clock speed? They could be going for an 8 physical core CPU with hyper threading for 16 total cores (8 physical and 8 logical) but clock each core much slower than you would think. Might even be as low as 2 GHz. If the architecture is fast enough then this could lead to some very aggressive multi-threaded games.
You also have to think of heat and power consumption. They are going to want to make a small console as this is what everyone is getting accustomed to. Also heat will be an issue if they slap in 8 physical cores and clock them upwards of 3 GHz+
You also have to look at the amount of cache available to each core as well, and what fabrication it will be built on. They will want high yields to bring costs down. So a 45nm or 32nm process is probably where its at, I don't think they could get 22nm yields out that quickly, but this depends on how long they have been working on it.
Also the amount of RAM even for me is a little over the top. Unless they are going to throw in a full desktop version of W8 I do not see the need for 8GB at all! Although this could be shared memory and people could be combining the total system memory with the GPU memory so a 6GB system and 2GB VRAM would probably be the best bet. But even this is still over the top for solely gaming.
Time will tell, its fun to speculate, but whilst we do that lets be calm and wait for E3 it won't be long now
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#4498352 Posted on: 01/11/2013 04:38 PM
Keep in mind that the 360 has been around for 7 years or so. 8 cores is nothing more than their way of keeping the 720 viable for years to come. Not much use for 8 cores now but years down the road it will help to extend the life of the product.
Keep in mind that the 360 has been around for 7 years or so. 8 cores is nothing more than their way of keeping the 720 viable for years to come. Not much use for 8 cores now but years down the road it will help to extend the life of the product.
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#4498355 Posted on: 01/11/2013 04:40 PM
That's one too many 8s
That's one too many 8s
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#4498362 Posted on: 01/11/2013 04:49 PM
if it's 8core it still will be faster than i7 3770k even 4770k that matters
if it's 8core it still will be faster than i7 3770k even 4770k that matters
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Even if it had 100 cores, if the GPU is weak it still sucks.