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Intel Haswell to arrive in low volume until USB 3.0 issue is fixed
Posted by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 03/15/2013 07:40 AM | 65 comment(s) ]
Intel will slowdown the ramp of its new Haswell platform until it has fixed a USB 3.0 issue in the Haswell platform that causes some relatively minor issues when a system wakes from S3 sleep mode with devices connected through USB 3.0. Haswell is expected to hit the market in June, but volume will reportedly be "cautiously low" until Intel rolls out a new revision that fixes the USB 3.0 problem.
“Haswell for desktop (Denlow platform) looks set to launch with cautious volume in June using the faulty C1 stepping, and then to see a stronger ramp once the glitch is worked out. Still, this is more than we had hoped for in June. Caution in Ivy Bridge units still likely to constrain gross margin for Intel and contacts point to August as the more significant launch period,” said JoAnne Feeney, an analyst with Longbow Research, in a note to clients, reports Tech Trader Daily.
Earlier this month it was reported that Intel began to inform its partners that when a PC system with Core i-series “Haswell” and 8-series chipset inside wakes from S3 sleep mode, it experiences issues with devices connected through USB 3.0. Intel seemingly defines the issue only as a nuisance for end users, as there would be no serious unpleasant consequences, such as data loss. A quick fix for the problem, which may result in blank PDF pages or failure to resume playback, is already known: a restart of applications. In order to solve the issues with USB 3.0, a new chipset revision is required.
Intel Haswell to arrive in low volume until USB 3.0 issue is fixed
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#4553955 Posted on: 03/15/2013 10:22 AM
I will part with any cash until the problems are fully resolved! I need a new case too!
I will part with any cash until the problems are fully resolved! I need a new case too!
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#4554001 Posted on: 03/15/2013 11:45 AM
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
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#4554007 Posted on: 03/15/2013 11:55 AM
Bah, guess i'm gonna have to wait even longer.
Bah, guess i'm gonna have to wait even longer.
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#4554067 Posted on: 03/15/2013 01:11 PM
help me all these from the beginning problems, can't be fixed with just a bios update.? if not, why.?
help me all these from the beginning problems, can't be fixed with just a bios update.? if not, why.?
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#4554075 Posted on: 03/15/2013 01:22 PM
I dont even use my usb 3, it disabled in bios.
speeds up my boot process when it disabled, so even if I had a haswell chip that had the issue it wouldnt bother me.
I dont even use sleep mode.
I dont even use my usb 3, it disabled in bios.
speeds up my boot process when it disabled, so even if I had a haswell chip that had the issue it wouldnt bother me.
I dont even use sleep mode.
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#4554110 Posted on: 03/15/2013 02:11 PM
Hi WE are Intel WE are going to over charge you and you are going to PAY...lol. But wait we also Put out Faulty chips which you will Also pay for.. Suckers... lol.
Hi WE are Intel WE are going to over charge you and you are going to PAY...lol. But wait we also Put out Faulty chips which you will Also pay for.. Suckers... lol.
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#4554114 Posted on: 03/15/2013 02:17 PM
I hate to break it to you guys but every single processor ever made has some form of errata. I mean yeah this is more serious obviously, but if you think they haven't' sold you "faulty" chips in the past you're sorely mistaken.
I hate to break it to you guys but every single processor ever made has some form of errata. I mean yeah this is more serious obviously, but if you think they haven't' sold you "faulty" chips in the past you're sorely mistaken.
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#4554115 Posted on: 03/15/2013 02:18 PM
companies do it...
I had compaq computer that wouldnt actually save power in sleep mode because the psu where cheap and didnt have sleep mode. the motherboard would go into sleep mode, but the psu stayed on.
companies do it...
I had compaq computer that wouldnt actually save power in sleep mode because the psu where cheap and didnt have sleep mode. the motherboard would go into sleep mode, but the psu stayed on.
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#4554145 Posted on: 03/15/2013 03:00 PM
Just a stupid question, how many people here use PC sleep mode/resume with USB 3 drive connected and used by an application while going to sleep?
Moreover, just restarting the applications or unplug replug the drive could do the trick. For me it is clearly a minor issue since I only have Sata external drives
Just a stupid question, how many people here use PC sleep mode/resume with USB 3 drive connected and used by an application while going to sleep?
Moreover, just restarting the applications or unplug replug the drive could do the trick. For me it is clearly a minor issue since I only have Sata external drives
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#4554149 Posted on: 03/15/2013 03:13 PM
Im going to get it anyway, i dont use usb3 and hardly put cpu to sleep so its not a big deal for me.
Im going to get it anyway, i dont use usb3 and hardly put cpu to sleep so its not a big deal for me.
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#4554161 Posted on: 03/15/2013 03:27 PM
Minor issue, I'm holding out cuz I wanna see NUMBERS, NUMBERS!!!! I LIKE NUMBERS!!!!
Minor issue, I'm holding out cuz I wanna see NUMBERS, NUMBERS!!!! I LIKE NUMBERS!!!!
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#4554163 Posted on: 03/15/2013 03:31 PM
Based on the way you're wording that, fault is a relative, maybe even opinionated term. For example, the Phenom II x6 can sometimes outperform an 8-core FX processor, where you could consider the FX to be at fault when really it just isn't optimized for that particular task; the FX isn't worse than the Phenom. In a situation like this, a more suitable word would be deficient or regression.
So, perhaps what you meant to say is every chip ever sold has deficiencies/regressions, because it is simply un-realistic to have 1 chip be good at everything.
If you really do mean that every chip has had a fault, what were the fault(s) of Sandy Bridge or Core 2 Duo or Athlon II? I'm not saying those didn't have faults, but I simply haven't heard of any. And by faults I mean in ways the chip was intended to be used, so faults in overclocking don't count.
I hate to break it to you guys but every single processor ever made has some form of errata. I mean yeah this is more serious obviously, but if you think they haven't' sold you "faulty" chips in the past you're sorely mistaken.
Based on the way you're wording that, fault is a relative, maybe even opinionated term. For example, the Phenom II x6 can sometimes outperform an 8-core FX processor, where you could consider the FX to be at fault when really it just isn't optimized for that particular task; the FX isn't worse than the Phenom. In a situation like this, a more suitable word would be deficient or regression.
So, perhaps what you meant to say is every chip ever sold has deficiencies/regressions, because it is simply un-realistic to have 1 chip be good at everything.
If you really do mean that every chip has had a fault, what were the fault(s) of Sandy Bridge or Core 2 Duo or Athlon II? I'm not saying those didn't have faults, but I simply haven't heard of any. And by faults I mean in ways the chip was intended to be used, so faults in overclocking don't count.
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#4554185 Posted on: 03/15/2013 03:55 PM
Will the Haswell CPU's work with existing X79 chipsets?
Will the Haswell CPU's work with existing X79 chipsets?
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#4554186 Posted on: 03/15/2013 03:57 PM
Based on the way you're wording that, fault is a relative, maybe even opinionated term. For example, the Phenom II x6 can sometimes outperform an 8-core FX processor, where you could consider the FX to be at fault when really it just isn't optimized for that particular task; the FX isn't worse than the Phenom. In a situation like this, a more suitable word would be deficient or regression.
So, perhaps what you meant to say is every chip ever sold has deficiencies/regressions, because it is simply un-realistic to have 1 chip be good at everything.
If you really do mean that every chip has had a fault, what were the fault(s) of Sandy Bridge or Core 2 Duo or Athlon II? I'm not saying those didn't have faults, but I simply haven't heard of any. And by faults I mean in ways the chip was intended to be used, so faults in overclocking don't count.
I'm not talking about performance characteristics, I'm talking about processor errata. Intel documents it on the release of every stepping. Certain programming functions will literally be broken on certain processors. For instance Intel had a TLB bug in it's MMU on Core 2 which would cause hardlock ups of the processor when performing certain operations.
Here is an example of the documentation that Intel releases for programming around errata:
http://download.intel.com/design/mobile/SPECUPDT/31407918.pdf
If you scroll down to page 40 you can see the list of all the problems and workarounds for them.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2477/2
Anandtech did its own write up on the AMD version of the TLB errata.
Most of these problems aren't seen by end users because developers are aware and make changes in order to fix, or they are fixable via bios/microcode updates. This USB3 problem I guess is more significant and cannot be fixed via these methods but by a new stepping. But to pretend like processors never have problems and Intel is just now selling a faulty chip is nonsense.
Based on the way you're wording that, fault is a relative, maybe even opinionated term. For example, the Phenom II x6 can sometimes outperform an 8-core FX processor, where you could consider the FX to be at fault when really it just isn't optimized for that particular task; the FX isn't worse than the Phenom. In a situation like this, a more suitable word would be deficient or regression.
So, perhaps what you meant to say is every chip ever sold has deficiencies/regressions, because it is simply un-realistic to have 1 chip be good at everything.
If you really do mean that every chip has had a fault, what were the fault(s) of Sandy Bridge or Core 2 Duo or Athlon II? I'm not saying those didn't have faults, but I simply haven't heard of any. And by faults I mean in ways the chip was intended to be used, so faults in overclocking don't count.
I'm not talking about performance characteristics, I'm talking about processor errata. Intel documents it on the release of every stepping. Certain programming functions will literally be broken on certain processors. For instance Intel had a TLB bug in it's MMU on Core 2 which would cause hardlock ups of the processor when performing certain operations.
Here is an example of the documentation that Intel releases for programming around errata:
http://download.intel.com/design/mobile/SPECUPDT/31407918.pdf
If you scroll down to page 40 you can see the list of all the problems and workarounds for them.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2477/2
Anandtech did its own write up on the AMD version of the TLB errata.
Most of these problems aren't seen by end users because developers are aware and make changes in order to fix, or they are fixable via bios/microcode updates. This USB3 problem I guess is more significant and cannot be fixed via these methods but by a new stepping. But to pretend like processors never have problems and Intel is just now selling a faulty chip is nonsense.
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Or another way to say we are selling faulty chips !!