Download Media Player Classic Home Cinema v1.6.5

#4481680 Posted on: 12/18/2012 06:07 AM

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Nice, DXVA support is getting there.

#4481689 Posted on: 12/18/2012 06:59 AM

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This is what I use with MPC-HC and SVP for double framerate.
Its really very good!


Note: you cant have 32bit audio, there arent any soundcards or media that support it.
24bit max.
External DACs are also 24bit, some have 32bit internal processing, but they cant make use of 32bit data passed to them.
If you do set it to use 32bit, it will either not work or will be truncated to 24bit.
So if you cant get 32bit audio to function, dont worry, theres nothing wrong with your kit

#4481714 Posted on: 12/18/2012 08:36 AM

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hmm, that is true for digital or spdif passtrough etc..right?
since im using Analog 5.1 i dont have these limitations..

and my soundcard also supports 32bit, dts, asio and all that crap..

and theres also media i think..at least some sound samples i use for music and classical studio tracks that i have are very high also..

but im not 100% shure about it..so maybe u can enlighten me

edit: also i mean 32bit floating - point, if that does matter...(in an exclusive mode..)

#4481724 Posted on: 12/18/2012 09:09 AM

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There are no 32bit input DACs on general release that I am aware of, but many process internally with 32bits.

Take this for example
http://www.whathifi.com/news/ces-2012-simaudio-announces-true-32-bit-dac-music-streamer-%E2%80%93-and-a-new-12000-phono-stage
They call it a true 32bit DAC.
It uses the ESS Sabre 9018 24bit input, 32bit internal, 7.1DAC for stereo.

They start off by saying:


Reading on a bit they reveal its actual capability


This kind of new info release and reporting happens a bit too often, its easy to be mislead.
I use the Sabre32 9018 Ultra DAC as well and it definitely accepts a max of 24bit input.

PC soundcards or audio players may perform some software operations in 32bit before sending them to the DAC in 16 to 24bit, but the DAC isnt 32bit input.

#4481745 Posted on: 12/18/2012 09:40 AM

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erm, in windowed mode its not supposed to work..its working for me in Fullscreen Exclusive mode..

when im in fullscreen, i get the fps, that matches teh HZ im in, in order 60 fps..

make a double klick in the middle of mpc hc and let it go fullscreen, there should be an info on teh top left side for 1 or 2 seconds, saying "exclusive" or exclusive fullscreen..

when this is displayed u are in the exclusive mode and teh fps are right..

the screen you took, is clearly in windowed mode..

Like i sayd its all about settings it up. a few hopurs ago honoredshadow pm´d me and i helped him setting up MPCHC with madvr and such., it works there, even he has amd..

im on nvidia and it works 100%..

if u want, i can make some screens from my settings, when im back on teh PC again..

edit:

i also see a lot of dropped frames in your screenInfo, thats a lot actually..are u aware of that?


Yes it is working, i see exclusive mode pop up, but the frames are still the same for me i think. Is there any way for that info tab to show itself full screen ?
Overlays show the wrong value for me thats why i asked. 60fps even when i have got the movie windowed ,and is showing 48fps or something lower then 60fps. (in mpc)
what do you use to show your FPS ?

about those dropped frames, should i worry about that ? what could cause it ?

#4481747 Posted on: 12/18/2012 09:49 AM

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Yes it is working, i see exclusive mode pop up, but the frames are still the same for me i think. Is there any way for that info tab to show itself full screen ?
Overlays show the wrong value for me thats why i asked. 60fps even when i have got the movie windowed ,and is showing 48fps or something lower then 60fps. (in mpc)
what do you use to show your FPS ?

about those dropped frames, should i worry about that ? what could cause it ?

droped frames can be caused by wrong settings in madvr, or something else..could be also that the buffer is too low..

and for the other question, i use afterburner to show me the fps..

just setup afterburner like this and u can see teh gpu usage, vram usage, fps and more..its very usefull when setting up madvr, so u find teh limits of ur GPU.(lanczos 8 taps, etc, very performance intensive stuff).

here is how afterburner needs to be configured:



what are u using for decoding? ffdshow? lav filters?
i use lav filters cause they have CUVID and high qulaity deinterlacing etc etc..and they work great..

also, cause of teh droped frames..when in fullscreen, push STRG and J, so the info comes up. and see if teh frames are still droping in fullscreen mode..But reset teh stats before reading it..use STRG and R to reset teh stats..

with a 23 fps movie i have in windowed mode = 23 fps and when i switch to fullscreen im at 60fps... no 48 fps , i think what u are using is frame doubling or so..24 times 2 = 48....
what i do is syncing to my HZ..at least i think i am..
Frame doubling is that stuff that splash player uses..i tested splash player but i hate it. doesnt even comes close to madvr/lav/mpchc...

but i could be wrong, it shure sounds like frame doubling...since its 48fps like u say..

#4481752 Posted on: 12/18/2012 10:10 AM

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droped frames can be caused by wrong settings in madvr, or something else..could be also that the buffer is too low..

and for the other question, i use afterburner to show me the fps..

just setup afterburner like this and u can see teh gpu usage, vram usage, fps and more..its very usefull when setting up madvr, so u find teh limits of ur GPU.(lanczos 8 taps, etc, very performance intensive stuff).

here is how afterburner needs to be configured:

**snip**

what are u using for decoding? ffdshow? lav filters?
i use lav filters cause they have CUVID and high qulaity deinterlacing etc etc..and they work great..

also, cause of teh droped frames..when in fullscreen, push STRG and J, so the info comes up. and see if teh frames are still droping in fullscreen mode..But reset teh stats before reading it..use STRG and R to reset teh stats..

with a 23 fps movie i have in windowed mode = 23 fps and when i switch to fullscreen im at 60fps... no 48 fps , i think what u are using is frame doubling or so..24 times 2 = 48....
what i do is syncing to my HZ..at least i think i am..
Frame doubling is that stuff that splash player uses..i tested splash player but i hate it. doesnt even comes close to madvr/lav/mpchc...

but i could be wrong, it shure sounds like frame doubling...since its 48fps like u say..

Yes SVP is a frame doubling technique. (hence why it gets 60fps,otherwise it would play at twice the speed lol) thanks for explaining msi, but it gave me exact numbers fraps shows.
guess its not really increasing the fps when using just those renderers.
Im used to the frame doubling technique , watch every movie with it. totally love it. (i have this feature also on my TV, but thats for TV broadcasts only (philips pixel perfect).

#4481763 Posted on: 12/18/2012 10:36 AM

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i just double checked and, actually, its MadVR that gives me the hz/fps Sync.
i just turned off reclock and it still worked..as soonest i used something else then madvr its also 23 fps or whatever teh movie has, in fullscreen.

maybe im gonna try that svp thing, does it work with LAV and MadVR?
cause i dont wanna miss madvr due its superior quality and options..(using full gpu potencial, etc)

#4481764 Posted on: 12/18/2012 10:41 AM

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i just double checked and, actually, its MadVR that gives me the hz/fps Sync.
i just turned off reclock and it still worked..as soonest i used something else then madvr its also 23 fps or whatever teh movie has, in fullscreen.

maybe im gonna try that svp thing, does it work with LAV and MadVR?
cause i dont wanna miss madvr due its superior quality and options..(using full gpu potencial, etc)

hmm strange. I dont have all the options though, since im using a AMD card on this pc. could be the problem.
yes it works with LAV and MADVR, but it also requires FFDshow (which uses a avisynth script) for hooking the SVP.

here is the link btw http://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Download

just use lite version. also download avisynth from there , and update from here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=148782
then also download ffdshow http://www.free-codecs.com/download/ffdshow.htm

that should do it. remember you can also tweak svp

#4481779 Posted on: 12/18/2012 11:04 AM

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Why use the Lite version?
The full version has been working great here for months, its much easier to install.

#4481783 Posted on: 12/18/2012 11:09 AM

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Why use the Lite version?
The full version has been working great here for months, its much easier to install.

yes, but the full version has outdated 3rd party software id rather download all the updated ones.

#4481788 Posted on: 12/18/2012 11:18 AM

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thx, just tried it, integrated into my mpc hc with lav and madvr..
without the hali renderer crap..

anyway, yes there is indeed a diff. i now know what u mean..
its pretty damn intensive, lol..(i wonder how a pron would look like with this on, hahahah), but i also get a lot of dropped frames with it..but it looks smooth..But im not shure if i like that "fake Real Life Fast Forward" Effect, or what i should call it.

Playing a normal mkv (720p), my GPU usage rockets to 90+% (maybe thats where the frame drops come from ??? not shure need to investigate), and my CPU load is at around 30% (But not in idle anymore, its at full speed (3.8Ghz).

keep in mind, my gpu is underclocked while playing videos..

still thats a huge increase..
Im gonna test it a bit more and see if i wanna use it also..
But right now it defeats the purpose of a energy friendly video evening..
without the svp, i might dont have the effect, but its still smooth and my cpu stays under 2000mhz (half idle) and my gpu around 50% @ 400mhz core and 1100mhz ram..

so, im not shure..

BetA

#4481790 Posted on: 12/18/2012 11:26 AM

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Yes its very intensive, i love it. Porn looks great btw, and so do older movies. that fast forward effect is the FPS increased from 24fps to 60fps.
i can only imagine how awesome this must look on a 120hz screen

Beta , why are you underclocking your gpu when you are using gpu accelleration for video ? that is , im assuming you do, not sure

#4481795 Posted on: 12/18/2012 11:33 AM

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well, different question...
why do i need my gpu clocked at 800mhz, etc, to watch my movies, when 400mhz and lower ram, do the same, just cooler and withing 50% gpu usage.(tested with 1080p - 50mb/s bitrate Avatar Blueray..)
If i do not underclock the GPU usage is around 30%.

the gpu is cooler and uses less power???
dunno if my logic is right, duh...

But it worked fine so far..

#4481796 Posted on: 12/18/2012 11:35 AM

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You complained of frame drops with v high GPU usage.