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AMD FreeSync LCD displays to be available in 2015
AMD's Richard Huddy shares word that the first LCD displays that will support FreeSync will sample next month with retail availability in early 2015. Multiple vendors are said to be incorporating the technology.
"Multiple" vendors are preparing displays based on the technology, though Huddy declined to name names. Interestingly, he suggested there's more excitement surrounding adaptive refresh mojo than there is for 4K resolutions. You'll certainly need a lot less graphics horsepower exploit the benefits of a dynamic refresh rate than you will to run games at 4K.
Huddy expects entry-level models to start at 24Hz, which is the most desirable update frequency for typical video. Higher-end implementations could scale up to 144Hz and beyond.
Similar to G-Sync, AMD FreeSync will get rid of screen tearing and tiny sync stuttering/pulsing. The protocol FreeSync / Adaptive Sync will be embedded into DisplayPort 1.2a and eDP (embedded Displayport), there is a catch though, manufacturers of monitors are free to decide wether or not to support the technology. At Computex there are supported monitors on display, AMD however will not reveal the manufacturers just yet. The Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA) already announced the addition of 'Adaptive-Sync' to its popular DisplayPort 1.2a video interface standard.
AMD FreeSync will be adopted by VESA - 04/08/2014 07:53 AM
As you guys know AMD announced a competitive and may I say very cheap solution to tackle Nvidia's Gsync recently, it goes under the name FreeSync. The problem thus far is that monitors need to suppor...
Nvidia responds to AMD FreeSync - 01/08/2014 01:33 PM
Well it was bound to happen sooner rather then later, but Nvidia spoke about AMD FreeSync. The interview is with Tom Petersen who spoke with the guys from techReport. So the credits and everything re...
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#4894211 Posted on: 08/15/2014 09:13 AM
While they say there is less interest for the industry towards 4K UHD, I think FreeSync and G-Sync are excellent technologies for 4K UHD monitors, because it allows smooth gaming even below 60fps. This allows even single high-end GPU's to display 4K UHD without reduction in graphics quality or resolution.
The benefit for this tech for >60Hz screens seems less revolutionary to me, but that might be my dislike for trading image quality (color accuracy, contrast, viewing angles) for higher framerate.
While they say there is less interest for the industry towards 4K UHD, I think FreeSync and G-Sync are excellent technologies for 4K UHD monitors, because it allows smooth gaming even below 60fps. This allows even single high-end GPU's to display 4K UHD without reduction in graphics quality or resolution.
The benefit for this tech for >60Hz screens seems less revolutionary to me, but that might be my dislike for trading image quality (color accuracy, contrast, viewing angles) for higher framerate.
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#4894442 Posted on: 08/15/2014 02:48 PM
That is true, but as a gamer who these features are aimed at. We tend to play from location in front of the which nixes the "color accuracy, contrast, viewing angles" problems. That all seems so overblown to me considering who these products/features are for. A gamers monitor is about response time and refresh then color reproduction. Ghosting is the worst, but I use my tv for movies and shows not my computer monitor. Plus the new tn panels are not as bad as some are acting. Just remember these features are for gamers who sit in one location and typically do not move so most(if not all) of those negatives do not come to light when a gaming monitor is being used by a gamer.
That is true, but as a gamer who these features are aimed at. We tend to play from location in front of the which nixes the "color accuracy, contrast, viewing angles" problems. That all seems so overblown to me considering who these products/features are for. A gamers monitor is about response time and refresh then color reproduction. Ghosting is the worst, but I use my tv for movies and shows not my computer monitor. Plus the new tn panels are not as bad as some are acting. Just remember these features are for gamers who sit in one location and typically do not move so most(if not all) of those negatives do not come to light when a gaming monitor is being used by a gamer.
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#4894466 Posted on: 08/15/2014 03:59 PM
FreeSync or AMD's implementation of Adaptive Sync is not "just for gamers", it also benefits watching movies without judder or stutter and it even has an energy saving benefit.
The viewing angles aren't just for people not in front of the monitor. Almost all TN panels have different color and brightness going from top to middle to bottom because of the very low real viewing angles. Even when you are sitting right in front of it at a normal distance.
You say color accuracy and contrast are "overblown", exactly the opposite. With IPS and VA panels, you don't need to have color information clipping to get a decent color out of the screen. And you also don't have to live with very incorrect colors either.
In contrast to how TN-monitors aren't as bad as people make them out to be, so are IPS monitors. While they can't offer 120Hz of real refresh rate, they can still do a real 60Hz refresh rate. But I have yet to so any good TN panel that does not look washed out or has terrible viewing angles, even when sitting right in front of it.
FreeSync or AMD's implementation of Adaptive Sync is not "just for gamers", it also benefits watching movies without judder or stutter and it even has an energy saving benefit.
The viewing angles aren't just for people not in front of the monitor. Almost all TN panels have different color and brightness going from top to middle to bottom because of the very low real viewing angles. Even when you are sitting right in front of it at a normal distance.
You say color accuracy and contrast are "overblown", exactly the opposite. With IPS and VA panels, you don't need to have color information clipping to get a decent color out of the screen. And you also don't have to live with very incorrect colors either.
In contrast to how TN-monitors aren't as bad as people make them out to be, so are IPS monitors. While they can't offer 120Hz of real refresh rate, they can still do a real 60Hz refresh rate. But I have yet to so any good TN panel that does not look washed out or has terrible viewing angles, even when sitting right in front of it.
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#4894833 Posted on: 08/16/2014 01:58 AM
FreeSync or AMD's implementation of Adaptive Sync is not "just for gamers", it also benefits watching movies without judder or stutter and it even has an energy saving benefit.
The viewing angles aren't just for people not in front of the monitor. Almost all TN panels have different color and brightness going from top to middle to bottom because of the very low real viewing angles. Even when you are sitting right in front of it at a normal distance.
You say color accuracy and contrast are "overblown", exactly the opposite. With IPS and VA panels, you don't need to have color information clipping to get a decent color out of the screen. And you also don't have to live with very incorrect colors either.
In contrast to how TN-monitors aren't as bad as people make them out to be, so are IPS monitors. While they can't offer 120Hz of real refresh rate, they can still do a real 60Hz refresh rate. But I have yet to so any good TN panel that does not look washed out or has terrible viewing angles, even when sitting right in front of it.
So what your saying is you don't understand things that are marketed to gamers. Its is a free market and nobody is forcing you to buy it. But what you are saying as criticism wise doesn't effect most gamers because the tradeoffs in performance are what they want.
FreeSync or AMD's implementation of Adaptive Sync is not "just for gamers", it also benefits watching movies without judder or stutter and it even has an energy saving benefit.
The viewing angles aren't just for people not in front of the monitor. Almost all TN panels have different color and brightness going from top to middle to bottom because of the very low real viewing angles. Even when you are sitting right in front of it at a normal distance.
You say color accuracy and contrast are "overblown", exactly the opposite. With IPS and VA panels, you don't need to have color information clipping to get a decent color out of the screen. And you also don't have to live with very incorrect colors either.
In contrast to how TN-monitors aren't as bad as people make them out to be, so are IPS monitors. While they can't offer 120Hz of real refresh rate, they can still do a real 60Hz refresh rate. But I have yet to so any good TN panel that does not look washed out or has terrible viewing angles, even when sitting right in front of it.
So what your saying is you don't understand things that are marketed to gamers. Its is a free market and nobody is forcing you to buy it. But what you are saying as criticism wise doesn't effect most gamers because the tradeoffs in performance are what they want.
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#4894836 Posted on: 08/16/2014 02:15 AM
I think alot of people are too picky with monitors i have a samsung 27in tn monitor with 1ms cant remember the model # and it is epic i dont see alot of the problems others cry about im usually sitting directly in feont of it anyways
I think alot of people are too picky with monitors i have a samsung 27in tn monitor with 1ms cant remember the model # and it is epic i dont see alot of the problems others cry about im usually sitting directly in feont of it anyways
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#4895033 Posted on: 08/16/2014 02:36 PM
really nice IQ compared to the monitor on the right without the tech running.
Sry, trollin'.
ghahahahah epic.
On a more serious note, I can't wait for this to become a real thing. And I hope monitor vendors won't charge an arm and a leg for freesync monitors. That's what's happening to gsync and it's horse **** nvidia bastards.
really nice IQ compared to the monitor on the right without the tech running.
Sry, trollin'.
ghahahahah epic.
On a more serious note, I can't wait for this to become a real thing. And I hope monitor vendors won't charge an arm and a leg for freesync monitors. That's what's happening to gsync and it's horse **** nvidia bastards.
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#4895102 Posted on: 08/16/2014 04:59 PM
So you need an AMD GPU to use it! Great, another technology that alienates you from other vendors, even better when you buy a G-SYNC monitor then decide later to get an AMD card, just brilliant!
So you need an AMD GPU to use it! Great, another technology that alienates you from other vendors, even better when you buy a G-SYNC monitor then decide later to get an AMD card, just brilliant!
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#4895138 Posted on: 08/16/2014 05:56 PM
The screens are early 2015, but the patch will be around the middle/end!
The screens are early 2015, but the patch will be around the middle/end!
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#4895151 Posted on: 08/16/2014 06:26 PM
How else did you expect AMD would come out after Nvidia introduced their own G-SYNC technology?
So you need an AMD GPU to use it! Great, another technology that alienates you from other vendors, even better when you buy a G-SYNC monitor then decide later to get an AMD card, just brilliant!
How else did you expect AMD would come out after Nvidia introduced their own G-SYNC technology?
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#4895302 Posted on: 08/17/2014 12:43 AM
I'll just wait until it's standardised on all monitors/gpus and I'm not forced into green or red, I can then buy any monitor and any GPU and it will just work! Oh wait, I live in the real world where the only thing that's important is how much consumers have in their wallets, not what they want!
How else did you expect AMD would come out after Nvidia introduced their own G-SYNC technology?
I'll just wait until it's standardised on all monitors/gpus and I'm not forced into green or red, I can then buy any monitor and any GPU and it will just work! Oh wait, I live in the real world where the only thing that's important is how much consumers have in their wallets, not what they want!
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#4895304 Posted on: 08/17/2014 12:49 AM
I thought Nvidia cards could also do Free Sync, as its a VESA standard.
How else did you expect AMD would come out after Nvidia introduced their own G-SYNC technology?
I thought Nvidia cards could also do Free Sync, as its a VESA standard.
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#4895320 Posted on: 08/17/2014 01:49 AM
Their cards need to implement VBLANK on the GPU's display controller. No one knows if the current ones do or not. I would imagine they don't -- the only reason why AMD does is for slight power savings.. the use of it on Adaptive Sync was an unintended bonus.
Anyway I'm kind of curious as to why Nvidia went with a FPGA for G-Sync. They could have easily cut the price by a lot if had implemented it via an ASIC board. And probably made a lot more money doing so. The only reason I can think of is if they had planned on delivering firmware updates to the board.
I thought Nvidia cards could also do Free Sync, as its a VESA standard.
Their cards need to implement VBLANK on the GPU's display controller. No one knows if the current ones do or not. I would imagine they don't -- the only reason why AMD does is for slight power savings.. the use of it on Adaptive Sync was an unintended bonus.
Anyway I'm kind of curious as to why Nvidia went with a FPGA for G-Sync. They could have easily cut the price by a lot if had implemented it via an ASIC board. And probably made a lot more money doing so. The only reason I can think of is if they had planned on delivering firmware updates to the board.
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#4895322 Posted on: 08/17/2014 01:53 AM
Even if they did, its not Dp 1.2a compatible no?
Even if they did, its not Dp 1.2a compatible no?
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#4895324 Posted on: 08/17/2014 01:58 AM
DP 1.2a compatibility is just a label. It lets people know what is definitely supported and what isn't. You don't have to be compatible to still support features. The 7000 series isn't DP 1.2a but AMD will support Adaptive Sync on it because it has VBLANK support.
If Nvidia Kepler/Maxwell/Fermi have VBLANK implemented, which again I don't think it has, then it can definitely support Adaptive Sync without being 1.2a.
I should also point out that there are technical differences between how the two technologies work. We don't know the performance of Adaptive Sync at this time. People make it sound like it does the same thing as G-Sync, the outcome is the same but it gets there differently. That difference may add latency, it may impact performance similar to the way polling of G-Sync does, it may do other things. On the flip side it might be better than G-Sync in every category.
I think it's too early to say G-Sync is dead when this launches. Especially if Nvidia just simply refuses to support it.
Even if they did, its not Dp 1.2a compatible no?
DP 1.2a compatibility is just a label. It lets people know what is definitely supported and what isn't. You don't have to be compatible to still support features. The 7000 series isn't DP 1.2a but AMD will support Adaptive Sync on it because it has VBLANK support.
If Nvidia Kepler/Maxwell/Fermi have VBLANK implemented, which again I don't think it has, then it can definitely support Adaptive Sync without being 1.2a.
I should also point out that there are technical differences between how the two technologies work. We don't know the performance of Adaptive Sync at this time. People make it sound like it does the same thing as G-Sync, the outcome is the same but it gets there differently. That difference may add latency, it may impact performance similar to the way polling of G-Sync does, it may do other things. On the flip side it might be better than G-Sync in every category.
I think it's too early to say G-Sync is dead when this launches. Especially if Nvidia just simply refuses to support it.
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really nice IQ compared to the monitor on the right without the tech running.
Sry, trollin'.