#4554033 Posted on: 03/15/2013 12:31 PM

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This new beta version (7) of afterburner has enabled voltage control on my girlfriends Gigabyte HD7770 OC card, which is great. However the voltage only goes as far as 1.25v where as with Trixxx it can go as high as 1.35v. Although i wouldn't run it that high it would be nice if i could get it up to 1.275v or maybe 1.3v using afterburner. Will that ever be possible or is this the highest it will go? Trixx is not my proffered over clocking software and given a choice id rather use afterburner.

#4554039 Posted on: 03/15/2013 12:37 PM

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http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=4553879&postcount=5

#4554066 Posted on: 03/15/2013 01:10 PM

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That's correct Alex. So, based on your answer i will further investigate why these problems only popped up after the install of B7.

Extra Q: is the uninstall of B7 different from previous release?

#4554068 Posted on: 03/15/2013 01:12 PM

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Why would uninstaller be different? Don't waste time on investigation, that's some different issue and I won't be able to assist of "fix" anything.

#4554084 Posted on: 03/15/2013 01:32 PM

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That's correct Alex. So, based on your answer i will further investigate why these problems only popped up after the install of B7.

Extra Q: is the uninstall of B7 different from previous release?
I am curious , when you say crashed, you mean BF3 crashed or AB crashed .

The first thing I would check is disable OSD as that can have issues with anti-cheat app that games use . if that does work, look to see your anti-cheat app used by BF3 is up to date .
Depending on type of crash it could also be driver related ,or just clocked little to high for conditions when you ran game .

#4554173 Posted on: 03/15/2013 03:46 PM

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Hi!

I've got Radeon HD7850 here and have some issues with newly introduced core voltage control for that series (big thanks, btw ):

1st some info: the default core voltage in 3D mode for my card is 1210 mV.

I can change it (overvolt) in 1210 - 1225 mV range, but undervolt (anything below the default value of 1210 mV) does NOT work - I can apply the new lower voltage, but it actually stays @ 1210 mV regardless - as monitoring does show). Is it a bug or a known issue or sofware/hardware limitation (and if the latter, what's the cause - voltage regulator used on the card maybe)?

And, why max overvolt is only 1225 mV (only +15 mV from 1210 mV)? Is it software or hardware limit (I'd like to be able to go 1250 mV at least).

btw: which voltage regulator is used on reference HD7850's?

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2nd issue (not only with beta7, also in last stable ver): in QuakeLive, OSD does not work at all for me (does not even show up)? Again, is it a known problem, and how to make it show up in-game?

thanks!

#4554181 Posted on: 03/15/2013 03:51 PM

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Always try a clean install of Afterburner before reporting crashes caused by Afterburner:
Uninstall->Reboot->Install

Recently I had crashes in games due to corrupted OSDServer config file. It's something easily solved by doing a clean install (or deleting config file and have it regenerated).

#4554183 Posted on: 03/15/2013 03:51 PM

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zbaic

Search.

#4554205 Posted on: 03/15/2013 04:23 PM

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@Unwinder:

thanks, I've read that topic, and it kinda anwers my questions re overvolting and 1225 mV limit, but: what about undervolting? and what about missing OSD in QuakeLive ?

so my card does not have a programmable VRM? What VRM is/are used on reference design (PCB - not cooling!) HD 7850's?

#4554219 Posted on: 03/15/2013 04:40 PM

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Read it one more time. Under or overvoltage doesn't matter, you have limited set of voltages you can choose with such control. And release notes says LIMITED not just for fun.
On QL: use search as well, no 64-bit support and OSD is disabled in all popular browsers by default.

#4554222 Posted on: 03/15/2013 04:46 PM

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Fair enough.

#4554262 Posted on: 03/15/2013 05:37 PM

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well, too bad - wasn't aware my card doesn't have a programmable VRM. Guess it's to cut down costs but damn, how much can such a chip cost (in volume), after all?

Do you know if all Radeons HD 7870 XT (Tahiti LE based) have programmable VRMs? I could swap my card for that.

Btw where can I find an up-to-date list of AB-supported VRMs and GPUs they're on? Searched in "Afterburner User Manual.pdf" and ReadMe.pdf, and it's not there. I'd like to know which next card to choose which has a fully programmable VRM.



I'm running QL in a normal 32-bit browser (mainly in Firefox). Can I still enable/force OSD in Firefox (I know where )? Which settings to use? Any possible side effects?



any particular reason for that?

#4554500 Posted on: 03/15/2013 09:56 PM

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• RestoreAfterSuspendedMode configuration file switch is no longer undocumented, now it is enabled by default and accessible via GUI in "General" tab in "Compatibility properties" section
• Recompiled kernel mode driver to bypass false positive in driver verifier

These two items affect anything in overclocking?

I saw a threshold voltage on the post in 7770.

About MSI GTX 680 Lightning them, is there any voltage limit documented?
Is there any possibility of passing core voltage of +100 mv by default (something like 150mV would be great already, so no need to use auxiliary voltages)?

#4554651 Posted on: 03/15/2013 11:38 PM

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I haven't mess with 3.0beta's yet but i don't think anything has changed with voltages with Nvidia Lightening and PE versions . I am pretty sure you will need to add few lines to config file to get voltages working .

PS: I don't know lines for Lightening but they been posted in few threads (older version threads) .

#4554709 Posted on: 03/16/2013 12:35 AM

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BF3 crashed/froze

Played now 8 hours in a row with B6, no problems. Installed B7 again (the proper way as always) and crashed after 9 minutes. Placebo or not i will skip B7 and wait for a next release.

#4554971 Posted on: 03/16/2013 07:58 AM

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well, too bad - wasn't aware my card doesn't have a programmable VRM. Guess it's to cut down costs but damn, how much can such a chip cost (in volume), after all?


Depends on VRM model. AFAIR old good Volterra's used on GTX 2x0 and HD5x00 series cards were rather expensive. Up to $20 if I'm not mistaking.


Do you know if all Radeons HD 7870 XT (Tahiti LE based) have programmable VRMs? I could swap my card for that.


No ideas.

Btw where can I find an up-to-date list of AB-supported VRMs and GPUs they're on?


You won't find it anywhere, we no longer update such document. It became too complex after having more than 100 supported models there and updating the document from both my and MSI sides. Now voltage control support for MSI cards can be determined by seeing software voltage control logos on MSI card retail boxes, the rest models are out of luck.


Which settings to use? Any possible side effects?


OSD server properties -> Profiles -> Enable detection and configure OSD profile for your browser. Side effects: it will trigger 3D acceleration for automatic profiles manager and you may see unwanted OSD when surfing the net.


any particular reason for that?

What about thinking a bit? Obviously, most of people are absolutely not happy to see OSD in browser window.

#4554973 Posted on: 03/16/2013 08:02 AM

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• RestoreAfterSuspendedMode configuration file switch is no longer undocumented, now it is enabled by default and accessible via GUI in "General" tab in "Compatibility properties" section
• Recompiled kernel mode driver to bypass false positive in driver verifier

These two items affect anything in overclocking?


The first one affect the process of resuming from suspended mode, it is a workaround for bugged display drivers which may forget to restore proper clocks/voltages after resuming from suspended mode on such systems. When it is enabled Afterburner manually saves settings before suspended mode and restores them after resuming. And you could read all that in the context help for new option BTW.
The second one doesn't affect anything but running the system with driver verifier enabled.


About MSI GTX 680 Lightning them, is there any voltage limit documented?
Is there any possibility of passing core voltage of +100 mv by default (something like 150mV would be great already, so no need to use auxiliary voltages)?

No

#4554974 Posted on: 03/16/2013 08:13 AM

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BF3 crashed/froze

Played now 8 hours in a row with B6, no problems. Installed B7 again (the proper way as always) and crashed after 9 minutes. Placebo or not i will skip B7 and wait for a next release.

You may wait for the next release, but it won't change anything. B7 will become a final release in the next two weeks and there will be no changes for your issue.
Please just stay away from betas, they are intended for experienced AB users knowing how use to configure AB properly. You reported exactly the same "bugs" with BF3 crashing/freezing which previous 2.3.1 version, which were solved just by configuring the OSD properly to make it coexist with anticheat system. That's absolutely normal situation, with each and any new version we publish (both here and in EVGA) there are always "previous buld was better, new one is unstable and crashes my system" from those who cannot configure it properly. And whenever I find bugreport stupid or not, I need to verify it then to reply in the forum because other people read about "bugs" too. No need to wase both you and my work time please.

#4554978 Posted on: 03/16/2013 08:25 AM

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Do you have any idea why my context menu and tooltips don't show? The little ? on the OSD is greyed out too as seen in the screenshot.

It's been this way ever since switching from RT to AB back in 2009. My OS has been reinstalled at least 3 times since then.

I didn't even realize their were still tooltips as I never saw them or needed them. Not really a big deal since I don't use them, just more mystified than anything.

#4554981 Posted on: 03/16/2013 08:34 AM

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rewt given you a good idea on it, some system optimizing applications tend to disable baloon tooltips in OS globally. You can check if it is the issue and try to manually re-enable it via the registry:
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/disable-all-notification-balloons-in-windows-vista/
in the OSD server is supposed to be disabled regardless of tooltips BTW. It was intended for redirecting users to website with OSD configuration help, but neither MSI nor EVGA used this possibility in their server version.

Edit: Also there is an option for forcibly disabling it in both AB and RTSS in "User interface" tab, but I assume you have it enabled.

#4554995 Posted on: 03/16/2013 09:20 AM

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Are you kidding me? Do you seriously think I would ever use any type of optimization crap on my system?? I honestly thought you'd give me more credit than that.

And as for Rewt - he is a as5hole and a troll who talks a lot of bullshlt, there isn't a more conceited and condescending member on this entire forum. Idk know why he hasn't been banned.

I'm an IT Field Engineer and while I don''t know everything, I highly doubt there is anything he could tell me. I wouldn't listen to him anyway.

/end rant.

Anyway thanks for the suggestions, I'll try and figure out these issues myself.

#4555131 Posted on: 03/16/2013 02:25 PM

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mine is grayed out to but tool tips work fine when enabled .

Why do you have application detection level set to high, maybe try lowering to low , that works for me in most games but I don't have/run BF3 so don't know on that one .

#4555725 Posted on: 03/17/2013 06:38 AM

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Query, is there a bug with the latest msi afterburner.
if you enter your clocks and voltage and apply
the cards powerplay function is still working and when entering games 3d voltages apply, but here is the catch ? though im not sure if this is a bug.

but when i apply the clocks and voltages and apply 3d voltage gets applied to 2d desktop low clocks voltage in turn heating up the card for no reason.

its like force constant voltage is applied when its not ? there for running the card in 3d voltages even when in 2d ? but if i press the reset button then the 3d voltage gets applied properly when entering games and 2d`s low voltage gets applied properly.

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EDIT : ok i figured out the problem, if your running another display and its turned on then your clocks change to 500/1375 / with 3d voltage constantly
but with it turned off low power voltage gets applied correctly...

very strange as when i dont apply any clocks or voltages to msi and run stock
clocks and voltages even if i have the monitor or plasma turned on clocks change from 300/150 to 500/1375 but correct voltage is still applied 0.850v
its only when i apply clocks with msi is that it forces 3d voltages on all the time :/

is there a work around for this... its like its a bug, somewhere

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chart :

2 monitors without msi enabled works perfectly
in 2d desktop voltages are applied correctly 2d voltage for desktop + 3d voltage when in game even if both monitors are enabled..

with msi enabled : 3d game voltage gets applied to 2d desktop voltage when 2 monitors are enabled
if i disable 1 monitor then voltages are correct in 2d and 3d.

its like msi forces 3d voltage to 2d voltages aswel even though clocks are not running in 3d and are running in 2d 500/1375 ect.

wonder if there is a fix that can be applied.

#4555733 Posted on: 03/17/2013 07:26 AM

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^Yep I can confirm this.

Small possibility the drivers could be to blame but I'm not sure atm.

#4555737 Posted on: 03/17/2013 07:55 AM

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Address that to AMD, Afterburner is not controlling process of dynamic clocks/voltages switching, doesn't care how many displays outputs are connected to the card etc.