#4504352 Posted on: 01/18/2013 09:24 PM

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usually the filters exist because theirs been some trash talking somewhere in the past.

#4504405 Posted on: 01/18/2013 10:20 PM

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most gw2 issues are due to the current state of the gw2 engine, Anet made some very poor choices when developing gw2.

1. dx9 rather then 11(because they wanted to sell the game to people whos systems are running xp still, even tho they cant really run it properly...)

2. they went with umbra for occlusion culling and rely on it WAY to much, if you ever see what the map looks like in areas they dont expect you to get to, you see alot of visable surfaces that are multi layers of rocks/terrain over rocks/terrain, they know this is an issue and are still working on it....

3. the games dependant on 1 thread for video performance, it has like 46 threads but theres 1 heavy thread that holds everything else back, this is why people with high end intel chips still have perf issues just like AMD users do.

4. the games 32bit without PAE, so its very limited on ram it can use....

word is they are "working on" a dx11 update but thats months out if not more...they are working on perf issues.....still thats months out im sure.....

Still, I was in the WoW beta and.....it was worse on launch then gw2 was, and anet are doing a better job getting stuff fixed then blizzard did with WoW on launch.......Give them time, they will get things worked out eventually.....

I know it has 1 thread for video performance, visible in the high usage on one of the cores. Main problem is that I don't see that core at 100% (max I saw it was 95%).

To be honest some of the peformance patches (most of them, if not all, were ninja without any notes regarding performance changes) made things worst then it was at game launch, at least for me.
Also they had some uggly regresions that made some uggly bugs came back in the game (like the ones that make the npcs in AC refuse to trigger next steps with no way to fix them other them redo that path), based on that it won't be a surprise if other regressions regarding performance happened.

I did some tests on an sempron 145 + hd 5670 + 4gb ddr3 (I know under the min requirements, it fails to unlock no matter what I do) and on athlon x2 4000+ (@2.4ghz max i can get from the motherboard i use for it, in theory it pass the min req) + hd 5670 + 4gb ddr2 in both cases game was unplayable (I consider a game playable if it's able to stay at 24+ fps and in both cases a simple walk in LA got the fps under 20 fps at an hour when LA is almost empty on my server, I don't even want to think what will happen if there are some skill animation there). The game it's not playable in relative older hardware.

Nothing stopped them to release the game with dx9 and dx10/11 support. For example gw1 can still be run with dx8 (doesn't look to well in some areas but the game works). After all if we believe their afirmations they worked at it for ~6 years.

The laggy part don't happen with all drivers so it probably has to be something that changed with 12.9+ drivers.
And the white rectangle I saw it happened only with 13.2 and I think it was caused by a change in 13.2.

The flickers, the slow loading textures, the texture that don't fit well, strange fps change in areas where nothing happens can have multiple causes.
I don't have an nvidia gpu to see if I can replicate some problems or not (I have an old 7300 gt but last time i used it i didn't like what i saw, not funny to see the image as it has waves on it and i believe something is wrong with it).

#4504434 Posted on: 01/18/2013 10:49 PM

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Both this version and the 13.1 version still have the bug where CCC is using 13.1% CPU resources.

Same as 12.11b2.

i think you have some problem on your windows, never seen what you saying:



one question: Are 78xx series affected from memory latency?

#4504457 Posted on: 01/18/2013 11:38 PM

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I posted this in the 13.1 WHQL thread, but is there any chance of somehow utilising that HDMI audio fix on the 13.2 beta?

#4504469 Posted on: 01/18/2013 11:58 PM

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Farcry 3 is definetly improved on me old 5870, much smoother overall I'm actually very impressed.

@1080P

no AA

HBAO on

Post processing Medium

Im getting a fairly solid 50-70 FPS , wares before I saw 30 FPS often.

#4504482 Posted on: 01/19/2013 12:19 AM

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When a Steam toaster appears, or you enable Steam in-game, does anyone else experience a gamma issue where in-game brightness goes really high?

#4504500 Posted on: 01/19/2013 12:35 AM

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I'm a bit confused ... but is it necessary to install 12.11 CAP2 after installing 13.2 Beta?
Sry for the stupid question ...

#4504509 Posted on: 01/19/2013 12:43 AM

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I'm a bit confused ... but is it necessary to install 12.11 CAP2 after installing 13.2 Beta?
Sry for the stupid question ...
No the 13.2 Beta includes CAPs that are newer than the 12.11 CAP2. Newer = they include the older CAPs (one of which is 12.11 CAP2).

#4504512 Posted on: 01/19/2013 12:48 AM

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Thanks for your prompt response ...
Another little question ...
does 13.1 also includes the caps ?

#4504545 Posted on: 01/19/2013 01:47 AM

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Strange, I see no new caps installed at all...

#4504564 Posted on: 01/19/2013 02:12 AM

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13.2 should provide a more smooth framerate compared to 12.11 betas:
http://techreport.com/review/24218/a-driver-update-to-reduce-radeon-frame-times

Edit: Yes it does, Skyrim is a lot smoother, very positive. I hope we see more of this!

#4504575 Posted on: 01/19/2013 02:43 AM

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stand alone cap installs go to a different area than bundled ones.

Heres the differencies between the cap in this driver and the 12.11 cap2, so you can test these games and check for improvement:

3dMark Vantage (cfx)
Battle Forge (cfx)
Aliens Vs Predator (cfx)
Lost Planet 2 (cfx)
F1 2012 (cfx)
3DMark 11 (cfx)
Crysis 2 (cfx)
Battlefield 3 (cfx)
Dirt Showdown (cfx)
Crysis 3 (unreleased)
Medal of Honor: Warfighter (cfx)
Tomb Raider (unreleased)
Nexuiz (cfx)
Blacklight: Retribution (cfx)
FarCry 3 (single card)
Skyrim (cfx & single card)
GuildWars 2 (cfx & single card)
Borderlands 2 (cfx & single card)
Rise of the Triad (unreleased)

#4504595 Posted on: 01/19/2013 03:21 AM

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Just played far cry 3 with beta 13.2, no real improvement with cfx 7970s vs 12.11 beta 11, still stuttering. Guess we'll have to wait until the memmory manager rewrite. Overall glad to see new drivers though (other cfx tweaks), and i do like the per application tweaks to the control panel , even if i wont use them due to radeon pro.

#4504602 Posted on: 01/19/2013 03:44 AM

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So, Worth it for a 5870M or stay with 13.1 / other recommendations?

#4504605 Posted on: 01/19/2013 03:50 AM

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I tried on my 5850m, worked great until I shut my lid... bsod every time. I dont have it set to go to sleep when closing the lid either, but this looks promising as games felt smoother. Frame latencies seem to be improved in guild wars 2 and dishonored, but framerates are the same.

#4504618 Posted on: 01/19/2013 04:29 AM

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they must have added that since the last time i checked, they have been being pushed pretty hard by alot of us to get with the times, i mean, its 2013 and they are still using dx9c.....an API released August 6, 2004, rather then a modern api that could not only improve perf but also gfx quality.

From what some of us can figure out from things the anet people have said, this could be because they have been considering a console version of gw2, and since current gen consoles are dx9 level hardware......

also they wanted to capatialize on the market of people who either cant or wont upgrade to windows 7....

also note: properly done dx11 can still benefit people running dx9 and 10 hardware, things like driver level multithreading still works, and dx11 can simply disable or run in software those features that the hardware dosnt support(im in a couple beta's that do this now)

oh well, anet will do what anet will do.....just seems silly to me that they didnt go dx11, sure they would have lost some sales to xp users(who for the most part really cant run the game properly anyway) but they would have gained sales and been able to push the fact they where using modern hardware to its fullest......:/

well its lunch time, im gonna eat
blah blah blah, more forum nonsense. dx9 still makes the most sense even today, dx10 was a bust and the 8800/9800 series are still the mostly widely used cards. The game is extremely well done for what it is, leave it alone. They started developing this game in 2007, so figure it out...

#4504623 Posted on: 01/19/2013 04:37 AM

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finally AMD did it, this is a great driver on Mobility 5650

#4504630 Posted on: 01/19/2013 04:55 AM

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Hmm, these two seem to conflict with each other. Seems odd you get a GSOD when closing your laptop....

#4504649 Posted on: 01/19/2013 05:58 AM

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stand alone cap installs go to a different area than bundled ones.

Heres the differencies between the cap in this driver and the 12.11 cap2, so you can test these games and check for improvement:

3dMark Vantage (cfx)
Battle Forge (cfx)
Aliens Vs Predator (cfx)
Lost Planet 2 (cfx)
F1 2012 (cfx)
3DMark 11 (cfx)
Crysis 2 (cfx)
Battlefield 3 (cfx)
Dirt Showdown (cfx)
Crysis 3 (unreleased)
Medal of Honor: Warfighter (cfx)
Tomb Raider (unreleased)
Nexuiz (cfx)
Blacklight: Retribution (cfx)
FarCry 3 (single card)
Skyrim (cfx & single card)
GuildWars 2 (cfx & single card)
Borderlands 2 (cfx & single card)
Rise of the Triad (unreleased)

Right I know its installed with the driver, but the old style showed the applications in a list and you could select them. I guess that method has been removed and it's all automatic, and you can't manually select and force it from the drop down menu anymore.

Other than all of that, this driver is amazing for sure. It has everything 13.1 had and a bit more. Sure I understand it doesn't have everything that the official 13.2 will, but its a better driver than 13.1 from my experiences.

blah blah blah, more forum nonsense. dx9 still makes the most sense even today, dx10 was a bust and the 8800/9800 series are still the mostly widely used cards. The game is extremely well done for what it is, leave it alone. They started developing this game in 2007, so figure it out...

Yes they started developing it in 07', but that does not mean changes can't still be made. They mentioned that they would support DX11 after it started development, and decided to drop it. It could have been a choice to enable or not. From what I understand, they still have plans to make it DX11 in the future, just how GW1 rendered in DX9 or 8.1 if you didn't have a DX9 card when factions released.

#4504704 Posted on: 01/19/2013 09:15 AM

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Just got back from work.

Downloading and looking forward to try 'em.

Thank you asder (you, the leaker (!) as well).

#4504712 Posted on: 01/19/2013 09:44 AM

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And they were recycling it over and over again for the past 5 years. So go figure it out...

#4504713 Posted on: 01/19/2013 09:45 AM

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Why do i get this error ? , i've downloaded the file 2 times now from all the mirrors.
Can someone help me ?

http://postimage.org/image/uuhwmy6dh/

#4504738 Posted on: 01/19/2013 10:44 AM

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Why do i get this error ? , i've downloaded the file 2 times now from all the mirrors.
Can someone help me ?

http://postimage.org/image/uuhwmy6dh/
Check MD5 should be 0007156833EBD7349B8501EE9C97F012 for exe file

#4504740 Posted on: 01/19/2013 10:55 AM

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um guys and girls were in this driver package is the caps ??
ive looked when install and the caps profile isnt there so i looked in the extracted file location and i still cant find it??
pls help were is the little sucker hiding??

#4504763 Posted on: 01/19/2013 11:46 AM

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Someone encountered the error KERNEL_SECURITY_CHECK_FAILURE while installing this driver in Windows 8 Pro x64? I have a HP dv6 notebook with Radeon 6750m graphics GPU (and a 6620G in the APU, dual graphics in enabled). Thanks in advance!