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Samsung 840 Pro SSD review
Posted by: Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 12/12/2012 09:24 AM [ 35 comment(s) ]
In this article we test, benchmark and review the Samsung 840 Pro SSD. What a stunning piece of technology this is. An SSD that is extremely fast and actually amongst the handful of fastest storage units we have ever tested. Head on over into the review.
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Arbold
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 12:25 PM
You should have included a bench of the Samsung 830 256gb.
You should have included a bench of the Samsung 830 256gb.
warlord
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 01:00 PM
why who cares it's old and slow in comparison with 840 pro, vector, corsair neutron and others...nobody will bother buying 830 anymore end of life...
You should have included a bench of the Samsung 830 256gb.
why who cares it's old and slow in comparison with 840 pro, vector, corsair neutron and others...nobody will bother buying 830 anymore end of life...
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 01:02 PM
Actually we asked, Samsung wasn't able to provide a 830.
You should have included a bench of the Samsung 830 256gb.
Actually we asked, Samsung wasn't able to provide a 830.
warlord
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 01:21 PM
excuse me for questioning because i don't know
every time you bench you are using again the hardware and not taking results from previous reviews.?
Actually we asked, Samsung wasn't able to provide a 830.
excuse me for questioning because i don't know
every time you bench you are using again the hardware and not taking results from previous reviews.?
telc
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 03:51 PM
Picked one up earlier today....sweet
Picked one up earlier today....sweet
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 03:52 PM
This page, first test: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/samsung_840_pro_ssd_benchmark_review_test,10.html
840 Pro is missing from the graph (or named wrongly).
This page, first test: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/samsung_840_pro_ssd_benchmark_review_test,10.html
840 Pro is missing from the graph (or named wrongly).
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 04:07 PM
Because they'll be on sale now that the 840 is out? And the performance is probably comparable, not like it's a completely new ball game.
why who cares it's old and slow in comparison with 840 pro, vector, corsair neutron and others...nobody will bother buying 830 anymore end of life...
Because they'll be on sale now that the 840 is out? And the performance is probably comparable, not like it's a completely new ball game.
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 04:34 PM
Thanks man, fixed.
This page, first test: ).
Thanks man, fixed.
makaveli316
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 09:18 PM
You won't even notice substantial difference in real world performance if you compare the 830's and the 840's.
And yes, a lot of people bothered buying 830, especially the 256gb which at the moment has ridiculous price.
why who cares it's old and slow in comparison with 840 pro, vector, corsair neutron and others...nobody will bother buying 830 anymore end of life...
You won't even notice substantial difference in real world performance if you compare the 830's and the 840's.
And yes, a lot of people bothered buying 830, especially the 256gb which at the moment has ridiculous price.
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 09:20 PM
I'm on a 256GB 830. Yes the 840 pro is better, but the 830 still outruns the non-pro 840. The 830 series flew a bit under the radar, with very few reviewers looking at them. Yet in the few reviews that exist, it's a very strong performer. The one thing that made me choose Samsung over the more known ones was lack of failure. The 830 simply run, and so did the 470 before that. Nearly all other brands had notorious failure series, even Intel.
I'm on a 256GB 830. Yes the 840 pro is better, but the 830 still outruns the non-pro 840. The 830 series flew a bit under the radar, with very few reviewers looking at them. Yet in the few reviews that exist, it's a very strong performer. The one thing that made me choose Samsung over the more known ones was lack of failure. The 830 simply run, and so did the 470 before that. Nearly all other brands had notorious failure series, even Intel.
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 09:40 PM
Thanks for the review.
There are so many good SSDs to choose from - Vector, then Plextor, now 840 Pro. Too bad that these faster models are significantly more expensive than the regular ones.
I would avoid the Vector, it uses system memory as a cache, yet it doesnt beat the 840 Pro, that doesnt use system memory as a cache.
If your machine crashes, you may suffer data loss with the Vector.
With my current SSD (Vertex 2), I have not once had to run scandisk since I installed it, and I often make my machine crash through tweaking.
Prior to getting it, I have had tons of times I needed to run scandisk, and have hosed my OS a few times!
If I had a Vector, I might be in serious trouble.
Why risk it when you dont need to.
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pls ignore the above, its rubbish.
I'm sure I read it somewhere...
Thanks for the review.
There are so many good SSDs to choose from - Vector, then Plextor, now 840 Pro. Too bad that these faster models are significantly more expensive than the regular ones.
I would avoid the Vector, it uses system memory as a cache, yet it doesnt beat the 840 Pro, that doesnt use system memory as a cache.
If your machine crashes, you may suffer data loss with the Vector.
With my current SSD (Vertex 2), I have not once had to run scandisk since I installed it, and I often make my machine crash through tweaking.
Prior to getting it, I have had tons of times I needed to run scandisk, and have hosed my OS a few times!
If I had a Vector, I might be in serious trouble.
Why risk it when you dont need to.
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pls ignore the above, its rubbish.
I'm sure I read it somewhere...
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 10:13 PM
I would avoid the Vector, it uses system memory as a cache, yet it doesnt beat the 840 Pro, that doesnt use system memory as a cache.
If your machine crashes, you may suffer data loss with the Vector.
No it doesnt. It has its own onboard memory of 512MB/1GB. The 840 Pro also uses 512MB for cache. They are no different in that regard. The only drives that do not use a dram cache is sandforce. You are not going to lose data because one has dram cache or not. Once the system writes to the nand, its not going to be unwritten if the system crashes.
Ive had my 2 256gb Vertex 4s in RAID 0 for afew months now and have had plenty of crashes when i was doing ram timings and cpu clocks. No data loss at all. Vertex 4 is indilinx 2 controller, vector is barefoot 4 controller which is based off of indilinx.
and wait for firmware updates. Itll get faster no doubt, just as the vertex 4 saw huge improvements from firmware. Dont forget all the drives that died from the first firmware for the 840 pro.
I would avoid the Vector, it uses system memory as a cache, yet it doesnt beat the 840 Pro, that doesnt use system memory as a cache.
If your machine crashes, you may suffer data loss with the Vector.
No it doesnt. It has its own onboard memory of 512MB/1GB. The 840 Pro also uses 512MB for cache. They are no different in that regard. The only drives that do not use a dram cache is sandforce. You are not going to lose data because one has dram cache or not. Once the system writes to the nand, its not going to be unwritten if the system crashes.
Ive had my 2 256gb Vertex 4s in RAID 0 for afew months now and have had plenty of crashes when i was doing ram timings and cpu clocks. No data loss at all. Vertex 4 is indilinx 2 controller, vector is barefoot 4 controller which is based off of indilinx.
and wait for firmware updates. Itll get faster no doubt, just as the vertex 4 saw huge improvements from firmware. Dont forget all the drives that died from the first firmware for the 840 pro.
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 10:29 PM
Not true
See this page
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/samsung_840_pro_ssd_benchmark_review_test,5.html
They have onboard cache, there is no mention of system ram being used.
The Vector does use system ram as a cache, check some reviews!
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hmm, its hard to clarify what it does actually use.
It has a DDR3 controller but it looks like it will have its own memory.
Not sure about this yet, soz for the exclamation.
edit2: yeah, I'm an idiot :blush:
No it doesnt. It has its own onboard memory of 512MB/1GB. The 840 Pro also uses 512MB for cache. They are no different in that regard. The only drives that do not use a dram cache is sandforce. You are not going to lose data because one has dram cache or not. Once the system writes to the nand, its not going to be unwritten if the system crashes.
Not true
See this page
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/samsung_840_pro_ssd_benchmark_review_test,5.html
In the photo above we zoom in a little at the DDR3 memory cache chip from Samsung.
They have onboard cache, there is no mention of system ram being used.
The Vector does use system ram as a cache, check some reviews!
edit:
hmm, its hard to clarify what it does actually use.
It has a DDR3 controller but it looks like it will have its own memory.
Not sure about this yet, soz for the exclamation.
edit2: yeah, I'm an idiot :blush:
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 10:42 PM
Vertex 4 uses a Marvelle controller, they just like to call it indillix.
Vertex 4 uses a Marvelle controller, they just like to call it indillix.
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 10:45 PM
Thanks for the review, excellent as always.
Ive been running 128gb 840 pro for a few weeks now as my OS drive and although hard to measure it is noticeably more responsive then the M4 it replaced.
Im picking up another 128gb to again replace the M4 which is a dedicated Steam drive.
No issues to report with the 840 pro, has worked flawlessly so far...
Thanks for the review, excellent as always.
Ive been running 128gb 840 pro for a few weeks now as my OS drive and although hard to measure it is noticeably more responsive then the M4 it replaced.
Im picking up another 128gb to again replace the M4 which is a dedicated Steam drive.
No issues to report with the 840 pro, has worked flawlessly so far...
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 11:07 PM
Lol GTFO. OCZ has never used Marvell for their controllers on any of their SSDs. Ever. They have always been Sandforce controllers up until they acquired Indilinx. Also, Indilinx and Marvell are 2 completely different companies and are in no way associated with one another.
Vertex 4 uses a Marvelle controller, they just like to call it indillix.
Lol GTFO. OCZ has never used Marvell for their controllers on any of their SSDs. Ever. They have always been Sandforce controllers up until they acquired Indilinx. Also, Indilinx and Marvell are 2 completely different companies and are in no way associated with one another.
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 11:34 PM
^
No he is kinda right, its Indilix hw with marvell bits inside.. At least that's what i've read in one Vertex4 review.
^
No he is kinda right, its Indilix hw with marvell bits inside.. At least that's what i've read in one Vertex4 review.
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 11:46 PM
Indilix hardware with Intel and Micron parts.
Indilix hardware with Intel and Micron parts.
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Posted on: 12/12/2012 11:47 PM
No it doesnt. It has its own onboard memory of 512MB/1GB. The 840 Pro also uses 512MB for cache. They are no different in that regard. The only drives that do not use a dram cache is sandforce. You are not going to lose data because one has dram cache or not. Once the system writes to the nand, its not going to be unwritten if the system crashes.
Ive had my 2 256gb Vertex 4s in RAID 0 for afew months now and have had plenty of crashes when i was doing ram timings and cpu clocks. No data loss at all. Vertex 4 is indilinx 2 controller, vector is barefoot 4 controller which is based off of indilinx.
and wait for firmware updates. Itll get faster no doubt, just as the vertex 4 saw huge improvements from firmware. Dont forget all the drives that died from the first firmware for the 840 pro.
Soz to bring this up again, but there may still be an issue with the Vector.
I'm wondering if you know about this...
The Vector has its own DDR3 controller for caching, so could still lose data stored in the DDR3 on a power down unless the cache can be committed to the SSD in time, or it has a battery backup.
Do you know if there is any protection in place to prevent data loss?
No it doesnt. It has its own onboard memory of 512MB/1GB. The 840 Pro also uses 512MB for cache. They are no different in that regard. The only drives that do not use a dram cache is sandforce. You are not going to lose data because one has dram cache or not. Once the system writes to the nand, its not going to be unwritten if the system crashes.
Ive had my 2 256gb Vertex 4s in RAID 0 for afew months now and have had plenty of crashes when i was doing ram timings and cpu clocks. No data loss at all. Vertex 4 is indilinx 2 controller, vector is barefoot 4 controller which is based off of indilinx.
and wait for firmware updates. Itll get faster no doubt, just as the vertex 4 saw huge improvements from firmware. Dont forget all the drives that died from the first firmware for the 840 pro.
Soz to bring this up again, but there may still be an issue with the Vector.
I'm wondering if you know about this...
The Vector has its own DDR3 controller for caching, so could still lose data stored in the DDR3 on a power down unless the cache can be committed to the SSD in time, or it has a battery backup.
Do you know if there is any protection in place to prevent data loss?
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Posted on: 12/13/2012 01:08 AM
Indilix hardware with Intel and Micron parts.
"Under the hood the drive is all new. Vector uses the first home-grown SSD controller by OCZ. Although the Octane and Vertex 4 SSDs both used OCZ Indilinx branded silicon, they were both based on Marvell IP - the controller architecture was licensed, not designed in house. Vector on the other hand uses OCZ's brand new Barefoot 3 controller, designed entirely in-house."
From anandtech review of vector. So yes, Vertex 4 used marvell
Soz to bring this up again, but there may still be an issue with the Vector.
I'm wondering if you know about this...
The Vector has its own DDR3 controller for caching, so could still lose data stored in the DDR3 on a power down unless the cache can be committed to the SSD in time, or it has a battery backup.
Do you know if there is any protection in place to prevent data loss?
Yes, some SSDs(mainly enterprise drives) incorporate large caps, aka supercaps(ocz) that are designed for data loss protection when power is lost. They keep the nand powered long enough for the dram controller to write the cache to them. They basically store power for a short time. I know the Vertex 4 uses supercaps but unsure about vector, wouldn't be surprised if it did as its based off of the indilinx in vertex 4. I can tell you for sure that neither the samsung 830 or the 840 have protection against data loss.
Indilix hardware with Intel and Micron parts.
"Under the hood the drive is all new. Vector uses the first home-grown SSD controller by OCZ. Although the Octane and Vertex 4 SSDs both used OCZ Indilinx branded silicon, they were both based on Marvell IP - the controller architecture was licensed, not designed in house. Vector on the other hand uses OCZ's brand new Barefoot 3 controller, designed entirely in-house."
From anandtech review of vector. So yes, Vertex 4 used marvell
Soz to bring this up again, but there may still be an issue with the Vector.
I'm wondering if you know about this...
The Vector has its own DDR3 controller for caching, so could still lose data stored in the DDR3 on a power down unless the cache can be committed to the SSD in time, or it has a battery backup.
Do you know if there is any protection in place to prevent data loss?
Yes, some SSDs(mainly enterprise drives) incorporate large caps, aka supercaps(ocz) that are designed for data loss protection when power is lost. They keep the nand powered long enough for the dram controller to write the cache to them. They basically store power for a short time. I know the Vertex 4 uses supercaps but unsure about vector, wouldn't be surprised if it did as its based off of the indilinx in vertex 4. I can tell you for sure that neither the samsung 830 or the 840 have protection against data loss.
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Posted on: 12/13/2012 01:16 AM
not sure why AS SSD showed the 840 pro with only a total score of 853 , when all the ones benched so far including mine will reach 1200 ish .
-853 is around what the non pro gets see second link.
-also in AS SSD the complete firmware only shows in the non pro that I have noticed ,the pro will show up like in the first link with the latest AS SSD.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/12/10/samsung_840_pro_ssd_review/9
not sure why AS SSD showed the 840 pro with only a total score of 853 , when all the ones benched so far including mine will reach 1200 ish .
-853 is around what the non pro gets see second link.
-also in AS SSD the complete firmware only shows in the non pro that I have noticed ,the pro will show up like in the first link with the latest AS SSD.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/12/10/samsung_840_pro_ssd_review/9
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Posted on: 12/13/2012 01:17 AM
"Under the hood the drive is all new. Vector uses the first home-grown SSD controller by OCZ. Although the Octane and Vertex 4 SSDs both used OCZ Indilinx branded silicon, they were both based on Marvell IP - the controller architecture was licensed, not designed in house. Vector on the other hand uses OCZ's brand new Barefoot 3 controller, designed entirely in-house."
From anandtech review of vector. So yes, Vertex 4 used marvell
I had a derp moment there. My bad. I believe I have gotten the 2 controllers mixed up.
"Under the hood the drive is all new. Vector uses the first home-grown SSD controller by OCZ. Although the Octane and Vertex 4 SSDs both used OCZ Indilinx branded silicon, they were both based on Marvell IP - the controller architecture was licensed, not designed in house. Vector on the other hand uses OCZ's brand new Barefoot 3 controller, designed entirely in-house."
From anandtech review of vector. So yes, Vertex 4 used marvell
I had a derp moment there. My bad. I believe I have gotten the 2 controllers mixed up.
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Posted on: 12/13/2012 06:26 AM
AS SSD score is definitely low. I saw that score and it is incredibly low. I have a 840 pro 256gb in my laptop and I got a 1181 score, outside of that, everything looked normal. Something went terribly wrong with that benchmark. They should run that again on another system and make sure there is nothing wrong with that particular drive. I replaced my neutron gtx with an 840 pro and it scored considerably higher than the corsair drive but I also have nothing but praise for that drive as well. I actually get an extra 30 minutes of battery life with 840 pro vs the neutron gtx on a HP DV7-7000 series laptop with a 9 cell battery.
AS SSD score is definitely low. I saw that score and it is incredibly low. I have a 840 pro 256gb in my laptop and I got a 1181 score, outside of that, everything looked normal. Something went terribly wrong with that benchmark. They should run that again on another system and make sure there is nothing wrong with that particular drive. I replaced my neutron gtx with an 840 pro and it scored considerably higher than the corsair drive but I also have nothing but praise for that drive as well. I actually get an extra 30 minutes of battery life with 840 pro vs the neutron gtx on a HP DV7-7000 series laptop with a 9 cell battery.
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Posted on: 12/13/2012 12:30 PM
Yoink, just ordered one. Replacing my Revodrive x2 (cry).
Yoink, just ordered one. Replacing my Revodrive x2 (cry).
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Thanks for the review.
There are so many good SSDs to choose from - Vector, then Plextor, now 840 Pro. Too bad that these faster models are significantly more expensive than the regular ones.